The perception of the Jets is that Woody Johnson is the General Manager

[Matt39]

Lombardi also mentioned the Davante trade was 100% Woody alone 

[dbatesman]

[PepPep]

[Matt39]

All things considered, general consensus is this will be by far the worst opening. Woody doesn’t appear willing to change anything. This “consultant” route is pure window dressing.

[Larz]

No, the perception is that woody is a clueless platinum spoon baby idiot that listens to what Francessa says and blows up the plans to go with the hot take of the day and ruins everything and makes quality people run for the hills 

[OilfieldJet]

My perception is that Woody is the worst owner in sports.

[Larz]

The owner acting as GM isn’t a problem. Over the last 10 years Jerry Jones acting as GM …..

The Dallas Cowboys are 90-68 since 2015.
 

The problem is Woody is a boob that listens to outside criticism and abandons the plan and is generally incompetent 

[fusionCA]

Woody is awful , everything bad that's goes on with the team is on him.

On the other hand Mike Lombardi is a liar pos , belichick ass licker who was proven before he knows nothing .

Stop making threads quoting that idiot 

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

Breaking news. 

[slats]

48 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Lombardi also mentioned the Davante trade was 100% Woody alone 

The problem is that at 77 years old, he’s just getting worse. Like Leon Hess at the end, he’s tired of losing and desperately feels the need to do something about it, not understanding that it’s what he’s been doing that is the primary reason for the losing. 
 
No one’s coming here. It’s an exciting time for the franchise. 

[T0mShane]

Sure this is already known knowledge, but it feels like Woody has burned some serious bridges this time. It’s one thing to **** over a loser like Rex or Idzik or Todd Bowles, Maccagnan, Gase, etc because those guys had to bite their tongues in hopes of getting other jobs. But now they’ve ****ed over members of the Shanahan Tree who will have jobs forever and it’s opened up a firehose of Woody Johnson slander in the media that’ll leave a mark, especially with Saleh and Douglas doing anonymous interviews from golf courses across the country. 

[Joe W. Namath]

Woody took the reigns only recently because the season was going down the tubes.  I am glad he did as it shows he cares and although his moves did not work, he clearly emptied the chamber trying.

Joe Douglas had full run of this team for 5 years w/o Woodys involvement.

The Jets job is a great job.  Woody will 100% step away and let the new gm do his thing.

[jgb]

Woody Johnson basically didn’t exist until he bought the Jets. No one heard of him outside of high society garden parties. He never had a job, had to earn a paycheck, or built a single thing in his life.

[slats]

4 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Joe Douglas had full run of this team for 5 years w/o Woodys involvement.

[Gen X Jet]

15 minutes ago, slats said:

The problem is that at 77 years old, he’s just getting worse. Like Leon Hess at the end, he’s tired of losing and desperately feels the need to do something about it, not understanding that it’s what he’s been doing that is the primary reason for the losing. 
 
No one’s coming here. It’s an exciting time for the franchise. 

Yeah but Leon finally got it at the end and poached Parcells from the Pats and let him “shop for the groceries “.  Mid wit Woody is doing the same failed dog and pony consultant gig he’s been doing the last two decades and it will again inevitably fail because he refuses to give up control of the football operation. 

[dbatesman]

34 minutes ago, Larz said:

No, the perception is that woody is a clueless platinum spoon baby idiot that listens to what Francessa says and blows up the plans to go with the hot take of the day and ruins everything and makes quality people run for the hills 

[Adoni Beast]

Woody has barely gotten involved in the operations of the team….until…he loses faith in those he hired. No different than just about every owner, ceo, boss, etc.

JD and Saleh did their thing with interference until they were proven failures, same with Bowles/Mac/Gase, same with Rex/Idzik, Tanny, Mangini etc….

[Larz]

29 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Sure this is already known knowledge, but it feels like Woody has burned some serious bridges this time. It’s one thing to **** over a loser like Rex or Idzik or Todd Bowles, Maccagnan, Gase, etc because those guys had to bite their tongues in hopes of getting other jobs. But now they’ve ****ed over members of the Shanahan Tree who will have jobs forever and it’s opened up a firehose of Woody Johnson slander in the media that’ll leave a mark, especially with Saleh and Douglas doing anonymous interviews from golf courses across the country. 

Definitely feels different this time. LaFluer, Saleh, JD, Hogan, Alexander all quality NFL people that are certainly trashing the crap out of woody to the entire industry 

J!

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

20 minutes ago, Gen X Jet said:

Yeah but Leon finally got it at the end and poached Parcells from the Pats and let him “shop for the groceries “.  Mid wit Woody is doing the same failed dog and pony consultant gig he’s been doing the last two decades and it will again inevitably fail because he refuses to give up control of the football operation. 

Seems to me Mr. Hess viewed the Jets almost like a toy or side venture.

NFL teams weren’t worth nearly as much then as they are today, even if you adjust for inflation.

I’m pretty sure he was smarter than Woody by multiples, so I don’t think lack of intelligence was the problem.

Maybe if he had invested half as much thought and energy into winning a Super Bowl as he did in his oil negotiations / ventures, we’d have a Lombardi or at least a Super Bowl appearance post-Namath by now.

[SCRUNO]

Lombardi is a bad wig wearing POS.

And I really dislike Country music. 

[Gen X Jet]

2 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

Woody has barely gotten involved in the operations of the team….until…he loses faith in those he hired. No different than just about every owner, ceo, boss, etc.

JD and Saleh did their thing with interference until they were proven failures, same with Bowles/Mac/Gase, same with Rex/Idzik, Tanny, Mangini etc….

Barely getting involved is demanding Zach Wilson get drafted? I’m not defending JD as he was a garbage GM but Woody is constantly involved and not in a good way. 

[T0mShane]

7 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

Woody has barely gotten involved in the operations of the team….until…he loses faith in those he hired. No different than just about every owner, ceo, boss, etc.

JD and Saleh did their thing with interference until they were proven failures, same with Bowles/Mac/Gase, same with Rex/Idzik, Tanny, Mangini etc….

Eh. I think Hard Knocks 1 disproves this. Woody was stuck to Tannenbaum like static cling the whole time, and that’s when things were good. 

[Saul Goodman]

31 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Woody took the reigns only recently because the season was going down the tubes.  I am glad he did as it shows he cares and although his moves did not work, he clearly emptied the chamber trying.

Joe Douglas had full run of this team for 5 years w/o Woodys involvement.

The Jets job is a great job.  Woody will 100% step away and let the new gm do his thing.

I don’t know about the final two sentences but I agree with the rest. Douglas had full control, he made every draft selection, trade and FA signing through the 2024 offseason. Woody shouldn’t have fired Saleh when (and how) he did but the season was toast anyways. We clearly were not SB contenders. 

[Adoni Beast]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Eh. I think Hard Knocks 1 disproves this. Woody was stuck to Tannenbaum like static cling the whole time, and that’s when things were good. 

It’s been similar cycles going back to Herm. He lets the regime do their thing then by Year 3/4 of not enough result he steps in with sign this or that guy, change this or that. I’m not really defending Woody as he is a walking cringe fest of stupidity….but I don’t think his involvement has really been too much. 

 

[Matt39]

54 minutes ago, fusionCA said:

Woody is awful , everything bad that's goes on with the team is on him.

On the other hand Mike Lombardi is a liar pos , belichick ass licker who was proven before he knows nothing .

Stop making threads quoting that idiot 

Belichick is the best coach in league history. 

[Adoni Beast]

5 minutes ago, Gen X Jet said:

Barely getting involved is demanding Zach Wilson get drafted? I’m not defending JD as he was a garbage GM but Woody is constantly involved and not in a good way. 

I don’t believe he demanded Wilson get drafted as he probably had no idea who the kid even was at the time. There were 0 reports of Woody meddling until the end of last season.

[BP]

42 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Sure this is already known knowledge, but it feels like Woody has burned some serious bridges this time. It’s one thing to **** over a loser like Rex or Idzik or Todd Bowles, Maccagnan, Gase, etc because those guys had to bite their tongues in hopes of getting other jobs. But now they’ve ****ed over members of the Shanahan Tree who will have jobs forever and it’s opened up a firehose of Woody Johnson slander in the media that’ll leave a mark, especially with Saleh and Douglas doing anonymous interviews from golf courses across the country. 

Only Jim Kensil and Steve gutberg can save us now. Woody needs to hold a seance with the ghosts of Jets management past.  

[Matt39]

12 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

Woody has barely gotten involved in the operations of the team….until…he loses faith in those he hired. No different than just about every owner, ceo, boss, etc.

JD and Saleh did their thing with interference until they were proven failures, same with Bowles/Mac/Gase, same with Rex/Idzik, Tanny, Mangini etc….

I think it’s fairly apparent he went against Douglas/Saleh to draft Sauce. And then you have the cringy chain and a player who’s not going to get a  second contract because he’s terrible. 

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

I’m not as upset as others about Woody (unintentionally) tanking this season because ultimately, this thing could only have gone one of two ways anyway.

Either you extend JD and Saleh or you cut ties.

If Saleh had finished 9-8 and barely missed the playoffs I wouldn’t have wanted him back, and an extension at that point would have been a massive gut punch.

We weren’t winning a Super Bowl with Saleh and Douglas this year no matter what.

My bigger concern is at 77 years old what is the succession plan — if there is one — and does that involve Christopher and even Brick Johnson? 😅

(Because as bad as Woody might be, I think Chris is even easier to manipulate and push around.  I mean one phone call from Peyton Manning and Gase is your HC? 😢)

If so I think fans (myself included) might need to seriously re-evaluate things...

Are you willing to continue investing financially and emotionally in a franchise operating with maybe a sub-1% chance at success over another 50-year stretch? 🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️😅

[Matt39]

12 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

Seems to me Mr. Hess viewed the Jets almost like a toy or side venture.

NFL teams weren’t worth nearly as much then as they are today, even if you adjust for inflation.

I’m pretty sure he was smarter than Woody by multiples, so I don’t think lack of intelligence was the problem.

Maybe if he had invested half as much thought and energy into winning a Super Bowl as he did in his oil negotiations / ventures, we’d have a Lombardi or at least a Super Bowl appearance post-Namath by now.

Winning and losing back then actually impacted the bottom line. Now it makes no difference. An nfl franchise is a license to print money. 

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

It’s been similar cycles going back to Herm. He lets the regime do their thing then by Year 3/4 of not enough result he steps in with sign this or that guy, change this or that. I’m not really defending Woody as he is a walking cringe fest of stupidity….but I don’t think his involvement has really been too much. 

 

Any involvement from Woody is probably too much, but even in the scenario you’re suggesting here—Woody parachuting in during the crucial Year Three of a franchise build—is super bad. 

[BP]

Just now, BP said:

Only Jim Kensil and Steve gutberg can save us now. Woody needs to hold a seance with the ghosts of Jets management past.  

Drafting Roger Vick and Dave cadigan was the key to stopping Andre Tippett…..not lol poor Ken O’Brien was getting wwf style pile driven into the turf and was shell shocked by that time of his career.

I know… let’s get dick steinberg in that seance too

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

I think it’s fairly apparent he went against Douglas/Saleh to draft Sauce. And then you have the cringy chain and a player who’s not going to get a  second contract because he’s terrible. 

Saleh was screaming “Sauce” into the phone. They were all 100% on Sauce!

[Adoni Beast]

2 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

I think it’s fairly apparent he went against Douglas/Saleh to draft Sauce. And then you have the cringy chain and a player who’s not going to get a  second contract because he’s terrible. 

Is it? I’d be shocked if he knew who Sauce was. Sauce was the typical Saleh pick if anything.

[Matt39]

1 minute ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

I’m not as upset as others about Woody (unintentionally) tanking this season because ultimately, this thing could only have gone one of two ways anyway.

Either you extend JD and Saleh or you cut ties.

If Saleh had finished 9-8 and barely missed the playoffs I wouldn’t want him back, and an extension at that point would have been a massive gut punch.

We weren’t winning a Super Bowl with Saleh and Douglas this year no matter what.

My bigger concern is at 77 years old what is the succession plan — if there is one — and does that involve Christopher and even Brick Johnson? 😅

If so I think fans (myself included) might need to seriously re-evaluate things...

Are you willing to continue investing financially and emotionally in a franchise operating with maybe a sub-1% chance at success over another 50-year stretch? 🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️😅

I think another issue is that woody won’t eat money on contracts and let’s everyone ride it out till the end. Douglas and Saleh should have been fired after the collapse in  2022 when they were behaving like they had won the Super Bowl on a 6 game losing streak. All of those talented guys from that draft have gotten worse since then besides Jermaine Johnson.