AFJF Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 We continue hearing that every time the Yanks call a team about a player, the first guy they ask for is Phillip Hughes. Clearly the Yanks won't be trading him for the likes of Reggie Sanders (who I would be happy with on the Yanks, but not for Hughes) or Jacque Jones, but one player I would trade Hughes for is..... Carl Crawford...The D' Rays would like to move his salary and no reason he couldn't be a regular 25-30 HR/50 SB guy for years to come if he played in Yankee Stadium. The past two seasons he's hit 11 HR, 15 HR, and with 10 already this year he should be mid 20's. His power is still developing and if you move him to Yankee Stadium and there's no reason to think his mid 20's won't turn in to 30. I'd trade an unknown commodity for a guy who could be 30/30 (or at least 25/25) for the next six or seven seasons. Add to that the fact that Crawford has world class speed and would cover LCF in Yankee Stadium quite nicely. I'll be very disappointed if the Yankees end up dealing Hughes for an OF who's got two or three decent years left, but I'd be fine with dealing him for a proven MLB player who can be an offensive catalyst and beat you several ways for years to come. This is not to say the Yankees SHOULD trade Hughes, but if Cash has to make a deal before the deadlilne he's the guy teams are going to ask for and he may not have a choice unless he wants to make the post season with three OFers will will probably combine for 30 HRs this year or Sheff and Matsui fresh off the DL and no ABs in months. Opinions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Nobody. You do not trade Phillip Hughes unless you're getting Jason Marquis and Chris Carpenter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Victor Zambrano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavrik Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 I'm assuming Phillip Hughes is a top prospect in the Yanks farm system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 I'm assuming Phillip Hughes is a top prospect in the Yanks farm system? Who is suddenly worth as much as Chris Carpenter (reigning Cy Young winner) and Jason Marquis combined. Apparently Phillip Hughes is not only a Yankee prospect, but the second coming of Christ, our Lord and Savior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted June 23, 2006 Author Share Posted June 23, 2006 Keep it real folks. No way anybody is giving up two proven top of the line pitchers for a prospect. If anything, a team would give up a proven guy who's contract they would like to unload. Phillip Hughes is the guy that GMs are asking for in a trade and for the right player I make the move, not expecting to get a #1 and #3 starter for an unproven MLB player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Who is suddenly worth as much as Chris Carpenter (reigning Cy Young winner) and Jason Marquis combined. Apparently Phillip Hughes is not only a Yankee prospect, but the second coming of Christ, our Lord and Savior. No Milledge has that title locked up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 you DONT trade hughes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 If I can get Crawford and a lower pitching prospect back for Hughes, I make the deal. The way George has made beating Tampa a high priority over the years though makes me wonder just how interested their front office would be in helping the Yankees unless they robbed them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbn007 Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 I do not trade Hughes for any hitter in Baseball, outside of Puljois, at this time. SOrry, I may have rose colored glasses, but having seen him in 2 different levels in the Minors, including recently in Trenton in AA, this 20 year old (turns 20 tomorrow) has the goods. The Yankees have not had a pitcher with his stuff come through their system in the past 40 years. No exaggeration!! Mo, Petitte, Stot, Bahnsen, Guidry, et al. None have what Hughes has, stuff-wise. There are certain pitchers I would consider, like Santana, who has the right combination of stuff and age, but few others. Call me what you want, but just check out this guy. He is the goods. He's not ready yet, but after next season, he will be, at the latest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbn007 Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 If I can get Crawford and a lower pitching prospect back for Hughes, I make the deal. The way George has made beating Tampa a high priority over the years though makes me wonder just how interested their front office would be in helping the Yankees unless they robbed them. If Hughes becomes what I believe he will become, 2 Carl Crawfords would not do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 He's not worth Carpenter and Marquis, but I said that because you do not trade your top pitching prospect who still is very young (19) for some bum outfiedler. You keep him unless you're getting better value on the pitching staff because games in October are won by the arms, not by the bats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 No Milledge has that title locked up! Max, Some of the comments made within this thread moves the title over from Lastings, clearly. The new nickname of the Yankees should be the "Bird in a Bush" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 having seen him in 2 different levels in the Minors, including recently in Trenton in AA, this 20 year old (turns 20 tomorrow) has the goods. The Yankees have not had a pitcher with his stuff come through their system in the past 40 years. No exaggeration!! Mo, Petitte, Stot, Bahnsen, Guidry, et al. None have what Hughes has, stuff-wise. There are certain pitchers I would consider, like Santana, who has the right combination of stuff and age, but few others. brien taylor was the best pitching prospect the yankees had in the last 20 years and look what happened to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 If Hughes becomes what I believe he will become, 2 Carl Crawfords would not do it. Fair enough. I haven't seen him while I know you see some minor league games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 brien taylor was the best pitching prospect the yankees had in the last 20 years and look what happened to him. what happened to Taylor was a isolated incident, only a dumbass would compare these 2 situations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 what happened to Taylor was a isolated incident, only a dumbass would compare these 2 situations Eric Milton, anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Hughes is the best pitcher in the minors right now (or when jered weaver gets called up) the yankees should not (and won't) trade him for anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 what happened to Taylor was a isolated incident, only a dumbass would compare these 2 situations how about mark prior or kerry wood? 3 years ago people were putting them in Cooperstown and now neither of them can stay off the DL. Hughes is a nice prospect but he is still a prospect. if the a's wanted to move zito for hughes i would do it in a heartbeat. same can be said for numerous PROVEN major league pitchers. i used to attend double-a games when the yankees were in albany-colonie. i cannot tell you the # of can't miss prospects that missed. 1 season leyritz won the league MVP and another AC Yankee won their version of the Cy Young. You know who that was? Steve Atkins. Ever heard of him? the list of failed prospects goes on and on, taylor was just 1 example of the #1 overall pick who threw 98 mph flaming out because his head was up his ass and he couldn't stay out of a fight in a trailor park with over $1M in the bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Hughes is the best pitcher in the minors right now (or when jered weaver gets called up) the yankees should not (and won't) trade him for anything. That and a quarter gives you 25 cents. Nothing is more overvalued than prospects in the minor leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Max, Some of the comments made within this thread moves the title over from Lastings, clearly. The new nickname of the Yankees should be the "Bird in a Bush" Well I don't agree entirely but I get your point. Yankee fans are saying hold on to your best pitching prospect. If MBN thinks he is the real deal that is saying a lot, he knows the game. The Lastings situation was a bit different. I was saying trade him for an ace (Zito). Met fans said no. The point is pitching wins championships. If Hughes is or isn't the real deal...time will tell. But you need arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Met fans said no. You say that like ALL Met fans said that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Just Ask Max You trade Hughes for a outfielder like Crawford - no brainer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Bottom line on this-Any time ANY organization says ANY player is untouchable in ANY deal, they are not thinking clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 That and a quarter gives you 25 cents. Nothing is more overvalued than prospects in the minor leagues. Your opinion that Hughes is the best pitcher in the minor leagues- what do you have to back that bold statement up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Just Ask Max You trade Hughes for a outfielder like Crawford - no brainer I agree with Max's thinking on the Milledge-Zito deal. If the Mets can get Zito signed to a long term deal, it should be a no brainer straight up. The Mets window is now. If you are confident in Trachsel or Soler pitching a Game 3 in any playoff Series, tied 1-1 and you need that game, then you are kidding yourself. And, there is NO guarantee that the Mets are going to be in the same situation with this team in upcoming years Sh!t happens, and teams breakdown. Glavine and Pedro are no guarantee. And I am not sold on Humber or Pelfrey just yet. Call me teh anti_Yankee thinking guy (see this thread), but these minor league studs are just that. If teh Mets don't make a strong July 31 pitching move, they are over playing this hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Your opinion that Hughes is the best pitcher in the minor leagues- what do you have to back that bold statement up Umm MBN and Blackout I guess. hey, Blackout nominated Adam Dunn for the All Star game in teh outfield. How wrong could he be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 That and a quarter gives you 25 cents. Nothing is more overvalued than prospects in the minor leagues. Tell that to the giants or mets who traded aces for half season rentals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 I agree with Max's thinking on the Milledge-Zito deal. If the Mets can get Zito signed to a long term deal, it should be a no brainer straight up. The Mets window is now. If you are confident in Trachsel or Soler pitching a Game 3 in any playoff Series, tied 1-1 and you need that game, then you are kidding yourself. And, there is NO guarantee that the Mets are going to be in the same situation with this team in upcoming years Sh!t happens, and teams breakdown. Glavine and Pedro are no guarantee. And I am not sold on Humber or Pelfrey just yet. Call me teh anti_Yankee thinking guy (see this thread), but these minor league studs are just that. If teh Mets don't make a strong July 31 pitching move, they are over playing this hand Comeon, you've got El Duque for Game 3's. He's a playoff mastermind. Give him a shot. Plus, if Zito was aquired for Lastings, he'd be the #2, Glavine #3. But, I do agree, the Mets' time is now while the NL is very weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Comeon, you've got El Duque for Game 3's. He's a playoff mastermind. Give him a shot. Plus, if Zito was aquired for Lastings, he'd be the #2, Glavine #3. But, I do agree, the Mets' time is now while the NL is very weak. Let me say that I am still not inspired with confidence. Any of those 3 can break down at any point. In fact, the odds favor it. If the Mets stand pat, they are dumb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Tell that to the giants or mets who traded aces for half season rentals. The logic as easily goes the other way as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 The logic as easily goes the other way as well. Not with a guy with the stuff and makeup of a Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Not with a guy with the stuff and makeup of a Hughes. Spare me "stuff" and "make-up". My wife has pretty decent stuff, and she wears make-up. I would still trade her in teh right deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Bottom line is a player in the minor leagues none of us know how good or bad they will be in the majors- you either take a chance or not Milledge can be a player for many years for the Mets- I would not give him up for Zito- I have stated that right from the beginning. Minaya has shown try to win now and have the pieces for the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Spare me "stuff" and "make-up". My wife has pretty decent stuff, and she wears make-up. I would still trade her in teh right deal. It's a little harder to judge then your wife cause i've never seen her but i've seen alot of Hughes and there is no doubt in my mind that he's going to be a top of the rotation starter. (and i'm not the only one who thinks that) I'm also alot better at evaluating pitchers then women it seems... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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