madmike1 Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 Are you even going to read what I'm typing? In no way did I deny that he was a very good prospect; but he is still in Single A and his first year of professional baseball in the US; he has yet to even hit a major slump to break out of. I said he was gaining on millage and being a top 20 prospect in baseball at 17 is doing just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exit 117 Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2006/07/wtny_midseason_4.php Wrong again the only thing Pelfrey has on Hughes is about 3 MPH on his fastball. He's not close to as good of a prospect. He not even ON most top 25 lists. Pelfrey isn't even in the top 23. That list is a complete joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exit 117 Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 I said he was gaining on millage and being a top 20 prospect in baseball at 17 is doing just that. And like I said, he won't necessarily keep that pace because he hasn't hit any rifts and everyone is buying into pure hype. He is still nowhere near Milledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 Pelfrey isn't even in the top 23. That list is a complete joke. There are only 3 pitchers on that list and they are all better then pelfrey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exit 117 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 There are only 3 pitchers on that list and they are all better then pelfrey. Again, based off what? The opinion that is coming out of your ass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Again, based off what? The opinion that is coming out of your ass? Based on stuff. All 3 of them have MUCH better command, control and secondary pitches then pelfrey does and bailey throws just as hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Based on stuff. All 3 of them have MUCH better command, control and secondary pitches then pelfrey does and bailey throws just as hard. How do you know this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 How do you know this? Because i've seen all 3 pitch many times, read scouting reports and follow minor league baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Because i've seen all 3 pitch many times, read scouting reports and follow minor league baseball. And all of this, plus 50 cents gets you a cup of coffee. Look at the top 100 prospects of theminors 6 years ago. Half of them are now where to be found. A quarter of them are just banging around teh league. 10 of them are very very good players. The rest are decent players. It is a coin flip still, at this stage. There are no givens. If the top organizations and players were to work out to the plan, we might as well forgewt playing baseball in NY right now. The Dodgers and the Diamond backs will have such a lock on the league, no one else will have a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 No offense but no one on this board is a baseball expert that can definitely say any prospect is better than another-it is only your opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 And all of this, plus 50 cents gets you a cup of coffee. Look at the top 100 prospects of theminors 6 years ago. Half of them are now where to be found. A quarter of them are just banging around teh league. 10 of them are very very good players. The rest are decent players. It is a coin flip still, at this stage. There are no givens. If the top organizations and players were to work out to the plan, we might as well forgewt playing baseball in NY right now. The Dodgers and the Diamond backs will have such a lock on the league, no one else will have a chance. The only way to judge prospects is against OTHER PROSPECTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 The only way to judge prospects is against OTHER PROSPECTS. In that case, Brien Taylor is the greatest prospect who ever lived. He outshined everyone when he was in the minors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 No offense but no one on this board is a baseball expert that can definitely say any prospect is better than another-it is only your opinion When every scouting service agrees with you then there is a good chance it's more then your opinion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 When every scouting service agrees with you then there is a good chance it's more then your opinion... So every single one of the thousands of scouts agreed with your opinions? Why aren't you a scout? Why are you spewing bullsh*it out of your ass on a Jets message board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 In that case, Brien Taylor is the greatest prospect who ever lived. He outshined everyone when he was in the minors. Look at you wrong again. Taylor was NOWHERE NEAR as good in the minors as Hughes or Bailey have been not to mention that he never got past lowA while Hughes and Bailey have dominated every level up to AA. And are WIDELY considered the 1 and 2 pitching prospects in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Look at you wrong again. Taylor was NOWHERE NEAR as good in the minors as Hughes or Bailey have been not to mention that he never got past lowA while Hughes and Bailey have dominated every level up to AA. And are WIDELY considered the 1 and 2 pitching prospects in the game. Which means absolutely nothing until they produce at the Major League level. This has gone on for 9 pages now. I'm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 So every single one of the thousands of scouts agreed with your opinions? Why aren't you a scout? Why are you spewing bullsh*it out of your ass on a Jets message board? Any moron knows Hughes and Bailey are the 2 best pitching prospects in baseball. Read any scouting service cause thats where i get my info not out of my a**. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Which means absolutely nothing until they produce at the Major League level. This has gone on for 9 pages now. I'm done. Thats all you can say over and over again becuase you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to any minor league player. It's not hard to get educated. there are a million sites you can read to know what you're talking about but you don't feel like doing that instead you're just repeating the same retardation over and over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 When every scouting service agrees with you then there is a good chance it's more then your opinion... Baseball America's 17th annual Top 100 Prospects list is based on each player's long-term major league value, a combination of his upside and his likelihood of reaching that ceiling. Consideration was given to each player's physical skills as well as his track record of performance. All players who haven't exceeded the rookie limits of 50 innings or 130 at-bats are eligible, regardless of their big league service time. Founding editor Allan Simpson, editors in chief Will Lingo and John Manuel, and executive editor Jim Callis compiled the top 100 after discussions with general managers, scouting directors, farm directors, scouts, managers and instructors. The quotes on each player were gathered by Baseball America staff and correspondents. Minor league managers are identified with their 2005 clubs. 1. DELMON YOUNG, of, Devil Rays "Delmon's going to be as good as Delmon wants to be. He can do whatever he puts his mind to do." --anonymous scout ETA: 2006 2. JUSTIN UPTON, ss, Diamondbacks "If you stick him in center field right now, he could be an all-star in two years." --anonymous scouting director ETA: 2007 3. BRANDON WOOD, ss, Angels "He's still going to get better. He looks like the next Cal Ripken to me." --San Jose manager Lenn Sakata ETA: 2007 4. JEREMY HERMIDA, of, Marlins "Everything he does is so easy. He has a 70 arm and he has one of the sweetest swings from the left side I've ever seen." --anonymous scout ETA: 2006 5. STEPHEN DREW, ss, Diamondbacks "He's got power. He can hit for average. He's got instincts. He has all the defensive tools to play an outstanding shortstop. He is one of the most instinctual players for his age that I've ever seen." --Diamondbacks scouting director Mike Rizzo ETA: 2006 6. FRANCISCO LIRIANO, lhp, Twins "He's filthy. We're talking three big league pitches, and everything looks easy." --Indianapolis manager Trent Jewett ETA: 2006 7. CHAD BILLINGSLEY, rhp, Dodgers "There are times when his command is a little off, but his arm strength, demeanor on the mound, presence--everything is good. He has a chance to be a dominant starter in the big leagues." --Birmingham manager Razor Shines ETA: 2006 8. JUSTIN VERLANDER, rhp, Tigers "He's got the arm, the heart and the head to do some very, very great things for that organization." --anonymous scout ETA: 2006 9. LASTINGS MILLEDGE, of, Mets "He's going to be an all-star caliber player. You hit home runs with a quick bat, which he's got, and down the road he could steal 35 to 40 bases." --anonymous scout ETA: 2006 10. MATT CAIN, rhp, Giants "The quality of his stuff has never been a question. The question was his command and ability to make adjustments. Well, he's doing those things now." --Fresno manager Shane Turner ETA: 2006 11. PRINCE FIELDER, 1b, Brewers "He's the Prince of Power. He does that one thing that makes guys the most money." --anonymous scout ETA: 2006 12. HOWIE KENDRICK, 2b, Angels "I just love his bat. He gets the barrel into the zone very quickly and it stays there for a very long time." --anonymous scout ETA: 2007 13. ALEX GORDON, 3b, Royals "Alex Gordon is obviously a guy we had targeted for a long time. We feel like he's going to be a cornerstone for this organization for many years to come." --Royals scouting director Deric Ladnier ETA: 2007 14. ANDY MARTE, 3b, Indians "Andy profiles as a guy who has the ability to hit in the middle of the lineup of a championship major league team. He has all the ingredients to be a special hitter." --Braves farm director Dayton Moore ETA: 2006 15. RYAN ZIMMERMAN, 3b, Nationals "You don't necessarily draft someone based on defense in our business--usually the bat's the No. 1 tool--but his defensive ability is so special that it really pushed him up. And the bat is also special" --Nationals special assistant Bob Boone ETA: 2006 16. IAN STEWART, 3b, Rockies "He makes good adjustments at the plate and has good discipline. He reminds me of Larry Walker." --anonymous scout ETA: 2007 17. CONOR JACKSON, 1b, Diamondbacks "You get the feeling he's going to get a hit every time up. He must have Superman vision or something." --anonymous scout ETA: 2006 18. JARROD SALTALAMACCHIA, c, Braves "He's got a chance to be Jason Varitek to me. The size, the strength, the power are all there." --anonymous scout ETA: 2007 19. ANDY LaROCHE, 3b, Dodgers "When he comes to the plate, you can just tell that he is ready to have a good at-bat. When I say he can hit a fastball, some players aren't that gifted that they can hit a good fastball, but LaRoche can." --Jacksonville manager John Shoemaker ETA: 2007 20. CARLOS QUENTIN, of, Diamondbacks "He sees the ball very well. He goes up looking for what he'll get, not what he wants. He knows when to go the other way and when to pull." --anonymous scout ETA: 2006 21. NICK MARKAKIS, of, Orioles "Moon shots. That's all I think of when I hear the name Markakis. We couldn't find a way to get him out." --Salem manager Ivan DeJesus ETA: 2006 22. JON LESTER, lhp, Red Sox "The first time I saw him pitch, I called [GM] Theo Esptein and said, 'Whatever you do, don't trade Jon Lester.' " --Red Sox scouting director Jason McLeod ETA: 2007 23. CHRIS YOUNG, of, Diamondbacks "This guy is getting it quick. Just from spring training till now, it's amazing the adjustments he's made." --Birmingham manager Razor Shines ETA: 2007 24. BOBBY JENKS, rhp, White Sox "I think he's got the mentality to be an outstanding closer. When you throw the ball 100 miles an hour and then command a wicked breaking ball, I don't think you need much more." --Birmingham manager Razor Shines ETA: 2006 25. TROY TULOWITZKI, ss, Rockies "He's better than Bobby Crosby. He could play in the big leagues right now. He can hit, hit for power and he's the whole package defensively with a plus-plus arm." --anonymous scout ETA: 2007 26. JOEL GUZMAN, ss/3b, Dodgers "I had scouted Chipper Jones and A-Rod before and to me, Guzman's bat was better. At 16 years old, the kid was as good as or better than anyone I'd ever seen." --anonymous scout ETA: 2007 27. FELIX PIE, of, Cubs "He just creates excitement with his play--period. I see him as a guy who could potentially hit in the middle of a lineup and drive in runs, be a real exciting Carlos Beltran-type player." --West Tenn manager Bobby Dickerson ETA: 2007 28. DARIC BARTON, 1b, Athletics "You could find 10-year big league veterans who don't have an approach as good as he does." --anonymous scout ETA: 2006 29. BILLY BUTLER, of, Royals "He's Mike Sweeney Jr. He could be even better than Sweeney." --anonymous scout ETA: 2007 30. HANLEY RAMIREZ, ss, Marlins "He's got a chance to be pretty special. The ball comes off his bat in batting practice like a man." --Red Sox manager Terry Francona ETA: 2006 31. CAMERON MAYBIN, of, Tigers "He's an offensive player, a very good defensive player, a plus runner. And the one thing that really struck me was Cameron's work ethic and desire." --Tigers scouting director David Chadd ETA: 2008 32. CARLOS GONZALES, of, Diamondbacks "This guy looks like Carlos Beltran when Beltran is going good. He doesn't run as well but he's a better hitter. And he's got that great arm." --anonymous scout ETA: 2008 33. JEFF CLEMENT, c, Mariners "You always hear about how he's an offensive catcher. But I was really excited to see him catch." --Mariners director of minor league operations Greg Hunter ETA: 2007 34. SCOTT OLSEN, lhp, Marlins "You could see he was oozing with talent. The way he attacked the zone, he stuck it to us. He's a live-arm lefty, works both sides of the plate and throws all his pitches for strikes." --West Tenn manager Bobby Dickerson ETA: 2006 35. JOEL ZUMAYA, rhp, Tigers "I've always had him in as a closer. The effort to his delivery has improved, but to me you bring him in for one inning, he throws 100 and you shake hands." --anonymous scout ETA: 2006 36. MIKE PELFREY, rhp, Mets "He's one of the few guys in the aluminum-bat era who gets people out with his fastball. Ben Sheets is another guy who could do that." --Former Mets scouting director Russ Bove ETA: 2007 37. JONATHAN PAPELBON, rhp, Red Sox "To go into a market like Boston and perform the way he has is indicative of his future." --Portland manager Todd Claus ETA: 2006 38. HOMER BAILEY, rhp, Reds "He'll break off a hammer curve after a 97 mile an hour fastball and there's just nothing you can do about it. Unless your name is Ichiro, you're not going to hit that." --Dayton outfielder B.J. Szymanski ETA: 2008 39. PHILIP HUGHES, rhp, Yankees "He throws hard and he throws strikes. That's why for me he's a Mark Prior Lite." --Charleston manager Bill Mosiello ETA: 2007 40. ANIBAL SANCHEZ, rhp, Marlins "Outside of his stuff, which has certainly improved, he's also a cerebral kid who prepares himself well. He's got the pieces of the puzzle that make a pitcher successful." --Red Sox vice president of player personnel Ben Cherington ETA: 2006 41. ANTHONY REYES, rhp, Cardinals "He's going to make you put the ball in play and give the defense a chance to make plays behind him. He is always ahead in the count and he is not going to beat himself." --Round Rock manager Jackie Moore ETA: 2006 42. RUSSELL MARTIN, c, Dodgers "He's obviously one of the better hitters in the league, yet at the most premium position. He basically shut our running game down and said, 'If you're going to run, you're going to make outs.' " --West Tenn manager Bobby Dickerson ETA: 2006 43. NEIL WALKER, c, Pirates "When you consider what he has done at his age against competition that has been older, it's really remarkable. We're extremely pleased with the progress he has made in two years." --Pirates farm director Brian Graham ETA: 2007 44. MARK ROGERS, rhp, Brewers "His last outing in instructional league, when he was throwing 96 mph at the knees with a hard curve for strikes and mixing in a changeup, you could see the light bulb going off." --Brewers roving pitching instructor Jim Skaalen ETA: 2008 45. ADAM LOEWEN, lhp, Orioles "He'll go 3-0 on you and then the next thing you know it's boom-boom-boom, every pitch on the black. I've never seen anything like it." --Kinston manager Luis Rivera ETA: 2007 46. ERICK AYBAR, ss, Angels "He's one of the most exciting players I've had to manage against, offensively and defensively. He loves to play and is just fun to watch." --Tulsa manager Tom Runnells ETA: 2007 47. ADAM MILLER, rhp, Indians "He went through a process to getting back to where he was, both in terms of velocity and command, but he wasn't holding anything back late in the year. He's a rare combination of power, intelligence and an advanced feel for pitching for a 21-year-old." --Indians farm director John Farrell ETA: 2007 48. DUSTIN McGOWAN, rhp, Blue Jays "For a power pitcher, he's got some kind of changeup. If he starts locating that fastball a little better, he's got everything." --Blue Jays manager John Gibbons ETA: 2006 49. RYAN BRAUN, 3b, Brewers "He's got awesome bat speed but also has some things to work on. He's got all the talent to be a legitimate middle-of-the-order bat down the road." --West Virginia hitting coach Johnny Narron ETA: 2007 50. ANDREW McCUTCHEN, of, Pirates "Andrew has the same outstanding speed and ability to cover a lot of ground in center field like Grissom. And like Marquis, he has good power. He also has great makeup and comes from a very good family background, like Marquis did." --Pirates scouting director Ed Creech ETA: 2008 51. BRIAN ANDERSON, of, White Sox "He can do just about anything he wants to do on the field. You don't find too many guys with all the tools to play any position out there in the outfield." --White Sox farm director David Wilder ETA: 2006 52. JASON HIRSH, rhp, Astros "He really made huge strides. He really pitched inside effectively and is able to locate his fastball anywhere he wants to. He really stepped up this year and took the bull by the horns." --Astros farm director Ricky Bennett ETA: 2007 53. JEREMY SOWERS, lhp, Indians "He just commands all his pitches well and finds a way to get it done. Sometimes you don't know how he did it, but by that time you're walking back to the dugout shaking your head." --Winston-Salem manager Chris Cron ETA: 2006 54. CRAIG HANSEN, rhp, Red Sox "You can see the kid has all the talent in the world. He's got a major league arm and major league stuff." --Red Sox manager Terry Francona ETA: 2006 55. SCOTT ELBERT, lhp, Dodgers "He made quick bats look like palm trees through peanut butter." --Greenville manager Chad Epperson ETA: 2008 56. EDISON VOLQUEZ, rhp, Rangers "He's got special arm speed, special arm strength, special talent and special makeup. He's got a great temperament for the game and a very special set of skills." --Former Rangers farm director Dom Chiti ETA: 2006 57. JERED WEAVER, rhp, Angels "He's a polished pitcher with an innate feel for putting hitters away." --anonymous scout ETA: 2006 58. JASON KUBEL, of, Twins "You never know how a player is going to rebound mentally from injuries, but with Jason there's never been any doubt of where his desire is. It's to be back on the field." --Twins farm director Jim Rantz ETA: 2006 59. JOHN DANKS, lhp, Rangers "He's always grouped with Thomas Diamond and Edison Volquez because they've played together all year. But people need to realize that he's playing with them and he's two years younger." --anonymous scout ETA: 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Baseball America's 17th annual Top 100 Prospects list is based on each player's long-term major league value, a combination of his upside and his likelihood of reaching that ceiling. Consideration was given to each player's physical skills as well as his track record of performance. All players who haven't exceeded the rookie limits of 50 innings or 130 at-bats are eligible, regardless of their big league service time. Founding editor Allan Simpson, editors in chief Will Lingo and John Manuel, and executive editor Jim Callis compiled the top 100 after discussions with general managers, scouting directors, farm directors, scouts, managers and instructors. The quotes on each player were gathered by Baseball America staff and correspondents. Minor league managers are identified with their 2005 clubs. http://www.baseballamerica.com/images/mlblogos/3ds_devilrays.jpg 1. DELMON YOUNG, of, Devil Rays "Delmon's going to be as good as Delmon wants to be. He can do whatever he puts his mind to do." --anonymous scout ETA: 2006 2. JUSTIN UPTON, ss, Diamondbacks "If you stick him in center field right now, he could be an all-star in two years." --anonymous scouting director ETA: 2007 3. BRANDON WOOD, ss, Angels "He's still going to get better. He looks like the next Cal Ripken to me." --San Jose manager Lenn Sakata ETA: 2007 4. JEREMY HERMIDA, of, Marlins "Everything he does is so easy. He has a 70 arm and he has one of the sweetest swings from the left side I've ever seen." --anonymous scout ETA: 2006 5. STEPHEN DREW, ss, Diamondbacks "He's got power. He can hit for average. He's got instincts. He has all the defensive tools to play an outstanding shortstop. He is one of the most instinctual players for his age that I've ever seen." --Diamondbacks scouting director Mike Rizzo ETA: 2006 6. FRANCISCO LIRIANO, lhp, Twins "He's filthy. We're talking three big league pitches, and everything looks easy." --Indianapolis manager Trent Jewett ETA: 2006 7. CHAD BILLINGSLEY, rhp, Dodgers "There are times when his command is a little off, but his arm strength, demeanor on the mound, presence--everything is good. He has a chance to be a dominant starter in the big leagues." --Birmingham manager Razor Shines ETA: 2006 8. JUSTIN VERLANDER, rhp, Tigers "He's got the arm, the heart and the head to do some very, very great things for that organization." --anonymous scout ETA: 2006 9. LASTINGS MILLEDGE, of, Mets "He's going to be an all-star caliber player. You hit home runs with a quick bat, which he's got, and down the road he could steal 35 to 40 bases." --anonymous scout ETA: 2006 10. MATT CAIN, rhp, Giants "The quality of his stuff has never been a question. The question was his command and ability to make adjustments. Well, he's doing those things now." --Fresno manager Shane Turner ETA: 2006 11. PRINCE FIELDER, 1b, Brewers "He's the Prince of Power. He does that one thing that makes guys the most money." --anonymous scout ETA: 2006 12. HOWIE KENDRICK, 2b, Angels "I just love his bat. He gets the barrel into the zone very quickly and it stays there for a very long time." --anonymous scout ETA: 2007 13. ALEX GORDON, 3b, Royals "Alex Gordon is obviously a guy we had targeted for a long time. We feel like he's going to be a cornerstone for this organization for many years to come." --Royals scouting director Deric Ladnier ETA: 2007 14. ANDY MARTE, 3b, Indians "Andy profiles as a guy who has the ability to hit in the middle of the lineup of a championship major league team. He has all the ingredients to be a special hitter." --Braves farm director Dayton Moore ETA: 2006 15. RYAN ZIMMERMAN, 3b, Nationals "You don't necessarily draft someone based on defense in our business--usually the bat's the No. 1 tool--but his defensive ability is so special that it really pushed him up. And the bat is also special" --Nationals special assistant Bob Boone ETA: 2006 16. IAN STEWART, 3b, Rockies "He makes good adjustments at the plate and has good discipline. He reminds me of Larry Walker." --anonymous scout ETA: 2007 17. CONOR JACKSON, 1b, Diamondbacks "You get the feeling he's going to get a hit every time up. He must have Superman vision or something." --anonymous scout ETA: 2006 18. JARROD SALTALAMACCHIA, c, Braves "He's got a chance to be Jason Varitek to me. The size, the strength, the power are all there." --anonymous scout ETA: 2007 19. ANDY LaROCHE, 3b, Dodgers "When he comes to the plate, you can just tell that he is ready to have a good at-bat. When I say he can hit a fastball, some players aren't that gifted that they can hit a good fastball, but LaRoche can." --Jacksonville manager John Shoemaker ETA: 2007 20. CARLOS QUENTIN, of, Diamondbacks "He sees the ball very well. He goes up looking for what he'll get, not what he wants. He knows when to go the other way and when to pull." --anonymous scout ETA: 2006 21. NICK MARKAKIS, of, Orioles "Moon shots. That's all I think of when I hear the name Markakis. We couldn't find a way to get him out." --Salem manager Ivan DeJesus ETA: 2006 22. JON LESTER, lhp, Red Sox "The first time I saw him pitch, I called [GM] Theo Esptein and said, 'Whatever you do, don't trade Jon Lester.' " --Red Sox scouting director Jason McLeod ETA: 2007 23. CHRIS YOUNG, of, Diamondbacks "This guy is getting it quick. Just from spring training till now, it's amazing the adjustments he's made." --Birmingham manager Razor Shines ETA: 2007 24. BOBBY JENKS, rhp, White Sox "I think he's got the mentality to be an outstanding closer. When you throw the ball 100 miles an hour and then command a wicked breaking ball, I don't think you need much more." --Birmingham manager Razor Shines ETA: 2006 25. TROY TULOWITZKI, ss, Rockies "He's better than Bobby Crosby. He could play in the big leagues right now. He can hit, hit for power and he's the whole package defensively with a plus-plus arm." --anonymous scout ETA: 2007 26. JOEL GUZMAN, ss/3b, Dodgers "I had scouted Chipper Jones and A-Rod before and to me, Guzman's bat was better. At 16 years old, the kid was as good as or better than anyone I'd ever seen." --anonymous scout ETA: 2007 27. FELIX PIE, of, Cubs "He just creates excitement with his play--period. I see him as a guy who could potentially hit in the middle of a lineup and drive in runs, be a real exciting Carlos Beltran-type player." --West Tenn manager Bobby Dickerson ETA: 2007 28. DARIC BARTON, 1b, Athletics "You could find 10-year big league veterans who don't have an approach as good as he does." --anonymous scout ETA: 2006 29. BILLY BUTLER, of, Royals "He's Mike Sweeney Jr. He could be even better than Sweeney." --anonymous scout ETA: 2007 30. HANLEY RAMIREZ, ss, Marlins "He's got a chance to be pretty special. The ball comes off his bat in batting practice like a man." --Red Sox manager Terry Francona ETA: 2006 31. CAMERON MAYBIN, of, Tigers "He's an offensive player, a very good defensive player, a plus runner. And the one thing that really struck me was Cameron's work ethic and desire." --Tigers scouting director David Chadd ETA: 2008 32. CARLOS GONZALES, of, Diamondbacks "This guy looks like Carlos Beltran when Beltran is going good. He doesn't run as well but he's a better hitter. And he's got that great arm." --anonymous scout ETA: 2008 33. JEFF CLEMENT, c, Mariners "You always hear about how he's an offensive catcher. But I was really excited to see him catch." --Mariners director of minor league operations Greg Hunter ETA: 2007 34. SCOTT OLSEN, lhp, Marlins "You could see he was oozing with talent. The way he attacked the zone, he stuck it to us. He's a live-arm lefty, works both sides of the plate and throws all his pitches for strikes." --West Tenn manager Bobby Dickerson ETA: 2006 35. JOEL ZUMAYA, rhp, Tigers "I've always had him in as a closer. The effort to his delivery has improved, but to me you bring him in for one inning, he throws 100 and you shake hands." --anonymous scout ETA: 2006 36. MIKE PELFREY, rhp, Mets "He's one of the few guys in the aluminum-bat era who gets people out with his fastball. Ben Sheets is another guy who could do that." --Former Mets scouting director Russ Bove ETA: 2007 37. JONATHAN PAPELBON, rhp, Red Sox "To go into a market like Boston and perform the way he has is indicative of his future." --Portland manager Todd Claus ETA: 2006 38. HOMER BAILEY, rhp, Reds "He'll break off a hammer curve after a 97 mile an hour fastball and there's just nothing you can do about it. Unless your name is Ichiro, you're not going to hit that." --Dayton outfielder B.J. Szymanski ETA: 2008 39. PHILIP HUGHES, rhp, Yankees "He throws hard and he throws strikes. That's why for me he's a Mark Prior Lite." --Charleston manager Bill Mosiello ETA: 2007 40. ANIBAL SANCHEZ, rhp, Marlins "Outside of his stuff, which has certainly improved, he's also a cerebral kid who prepares himself well. He's got the pieces of the puzzle that make a pitcher successful." --Red Sox vice president of player personnel Ben Cherington ETA: 2006 41. ANTHONY REYES, rhp, Cardinals "He's going to make you put the ball in play and give the defense a chance to make plays behind him. He is always ahead in the count and he is not going to beat himself." --Round Rock manager Jackie Moore ETA: 2006 42. RUSSELL MARTIN, c, Dodgers "He's obviously one of the better hitters in the league, yet at the most premium position. He basically shut our running game down and said, 'If you're going to run, you're going to make outs.' " --West Tenn manager Bobby Dickerson ETA: 2006 43. NEIL WALKER, c, Pirates "When you consider what he has done at his age against competition that has been older, it's really remarkable. We're extremely pleased with the progress he has made in two years." --Pirates farm director Brian Graham ETA: 2007 44. MARK ROGERS, rhp, Brewers "His last outing in instructional league, when he was throwing 96 mph at the knees with a hard curve for strikes and mixing in a changeup, you could see the light bulb going off." --Brewers roving pitching instructor Jim Skaalen ETA: 2008 45. ADAM LOEWEN, lhp, Orioles "He'll go 3-0 on you and then the next thing you know it's boom-boom-boom, every pitch on the black. I've never seen anything like it." --Kinston manager Luis Rivera ETA: 2007 46. ERICK AYBAR, ss, Angels "He's one of the most exciting players I've had to manage against, offensively and defensively. He loves to play and is just fun to watch." --Tulsa manager Tom Runnells ETA: 2007 47. ADAM MILLER, rhp, Indians "He went through a process to getting back to where he was, both in terms of velocity and command, but he wasn't holding anything back late in the year. He's a rare combination of power, intelligence and an advanced feel for pitching for a 21-year-old." --Indians farm director John Farrell ETA: 2007 48. DUSTIN McGOWAN, rhp, Blue Jays "For a power pitcher, he's got some kind of changeup. If he starts locating that fastball a little better, he's got everything." --Blue Jays manager John Gibbons ETA: 2006 49. RYAN BRAUN, 3b, Brewers "He's got awesome bat speed but also has some things to work on. He's got all the talent to be a legitimate middle-of-the-order bat down the road." --West Virginia hitting coach Johnny Narron ETA: 2007 50. ANDREW McCUTCHEN, of, Pirates "Andrew has the same outstanding speed and ability to cover a lot of ground in center field like Grissom. And like Marquis, he has good power. He also has great makeup and comes from a very good family background, like Marquis did." --Pirates scouting director Ed Creech ETA: 2008 51. BRIAN ANDERSON, of, White Sox "He can do just about anything he wants to do on the field. You don't find too many guys with all the tools to play any position out there in the outfield." --White Sox farm director David Wilder ETA: 2006 52. JASON HIRSH, rhp, Astros "He really made huge strides. He really pitched inside effectively and is able to locate his fastball anywhere he wants to. He really stepped up this year and took the bull by the horns." --Astros farm director Ricky Bennett ETA: 2007 53. JEREMY SOWERS, lhp, Indians "He just commands all his pitches well and finds a way to get it done. Sometimes you don't know how he did it, but by that time you're walking back to the dugout shaking your head." --Winston-Salem manager Chris Cron ETA: 2006 54. CRAIG HANSEN, rhp, Red Sox "You can see the kid has all the talent in the world. He's got a major league arm and major league stuff." --Red Sox manager Terry Francona ETA: 2006 55. SCOTT ELBERT, lhp, Dodgers "He made quick bats look like palm trees through peanut butter." --Greenville manager Chad Epperson ETA: 2008 56. EDISON VOLQUEZ, rhp, Rangers "He's got special arm speed, special arm strength, special talent and special makeup. He's got a great temperament for the game and a very special set of skills." --Former Rangers farm director Dom Chiti ETA: 2006 57. JERED WEAVER, rhp, Angels "He's a polished pitcher with an innate feel for putting hitters away." --anonymous scout ETA: 2006 58. JASON KUBEL, of, Twins "You never know how a player is going to rebound mentally from injuries, but with Jason there's never been any doubt of where his desire is. It's to be back on the field." --Twins farm director Jim Rantz ETA: 2006 59. JOHN DANKS, lhp, Rangers "He's always grouped with Thomas Diamond and Edison Volquez because they've played together all year. But people need to realize that he's playing with them and he's two years younger." --anonymous scout ETA: 2007 Looks like Baseball America did not agree with the ranking of Hughes and Pelfrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 LOL that list is 4 months old before Hughes had moved past LOWA. Get anything that dosn't have dust on it and hughes is the first pitcher listed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 LOL that list is 4 months old before Hughes had moved past LOWA. Get anything that dosn't have dust on it and hughes is the first pitcher listed. the point I am making is no one including me or you can tell that a prospect will be a success in the majors - only our opinion take it for what it is worth I admit to not being right 100 per cent of the time - can you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 the point I am making is no one including me or you can tell that a prospect will be a success in the majors - only our opinion take it for what it is worth I admit to not being right 100 per cent of the time - can you? prospects in baseball and hockey are near impossible to gauge,, basketball and football , much much easier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 the point I am making is no one including me or you can tell that a prospect will be a success in the majors - only our opinion take it for what it is worth I admit to not being right 100 per cent of the time - can you? Let me tell you about Hughes and Pelfrey. Pelfrey was a first round pick out of college. Got a 5 million dollar bonus and is 23. He was 3 spots ahead of Hughes in the BA top 100 at the start of the season BEFORE hughes, who was also a first rounder but out of HS and 2 years younger had ever pitched above lowA ball. Since the season has started hughes (who remember is 2 year younger.) dominated highA got promoted, dominated AA. Thats why he's considered the best pitching prospect in basebal RIGHT NOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Let me tell you about Hughes and Pelfrey. Pelfrey was a first round pick out of college. Got a 5 million dollar bonus and is 23. He was 3 spots ahead of Hughes in the BA top 100 at the start of the season BEFORE hughes, who was also a first rounder but out of HS and 2 years younger had ever pitched above lowA ball. Since the season has started hughes (who remember is 2 year younger.) dominated highA got promoted, dominated AA. Thats why he's considered the best pitching prospect in basebal RIGHT NOW. Thanks for your opinion Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 JF80 dissed the Yankees minor league system, so he got owned by madmike. JF80 doesnt even know a thing about the Yankees farm system and he was claiming they couldnt make a big deal with their prospects. He was the one talking out of his a**, not madmike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 JF80 dissed the Yankees minor league system, so he got owned by madmike. JF80 doesnt even know a thing about the Yankees farm system and he was claiming they couldnt make a big deal with their prospects. He was the one talking out of his a**, not madmike. they can settle it on the softball field at the JN/JI/TGG BBQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exit 117 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 JF80 dissed the Yankees minor league system, so he got owned by madmike. JF80 doesnt even know a thing about the Yankees farm system and he was claiming they couldnt make a big deal with their prospects. He was the one talking out of his a**, not madmike. And madmike knows not a damn thing about the Mets farm system, nor the value of Pelfrey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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