TaborJet Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Boss targets Abreu Steinbrenner likes pricey Phils slugger BY DARREN EVERSON DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER Jorge Posada (l.) and Bernie Williams enjoy piling up runs but may get some help by July 31 deadline. George Steinbrenner likes Bobby Abreu. That's not just a rumor. That comes directly from The Boss' mouth. On his way out of the Stadium after yesterday's game, Steinbrenner spoke briefly, but he said enough to reinforce indications that the Yankees will pursue the Phillies' right fielder. Asked whom general manager Brian Cashman should target on the trade market, Steinbrenner said, "He knows what he's doing. There's a guy I prefer, but I'm not going to talk about it now." Asked if that guy is Abreu, the principal owner said, "Sure I like Bobby Abreu." Then he added, "Everybody likes Bobby Abreu." But not everybody can afford him. The multitalented Abreu is owed $20 million next season, plus a $2 million buyout for his $16 million 2008 option. The Phillies - 12 games back in the NL East - probably won't have many potential trade partners. Enter the Yankees, whom the Daily News reported Wednesday are closely monitoring developments in Philadelphia. There's definitely a fit there: the Bombers could use another bat, Abreu could slide into Gary Sheffield's salary spot next season and the Yankees could afford him. Alfonso Soriano is less likely. The Nationals are likely to trade the former All-Star second baseman, but the return price is likely to involve pitching prospects, which doesn't work for the Yankees. An Abreu deal would be more of a money transaction, since the Yankees would be doing Philadelphia a favor by taking his hefty contract. Phillies GM Pat Gillick has asked about Philip Hughes, the Yankees' top pitching prospect, but the Yankees have no intention of dealing him. At the very least, Steinbrenner's comments yesterday suggest the Yankees may be active before the July 31 trade deadline. Despite their recent improvement, their lineup is diminished without the injured Hideki Matsui and Gary Sheffield. The Yankees also could use a pitcher. "That would be good too," Steinbrenner said as he exited yesterday. But when asked if the Bombers need hitting more than pitching, he answered affirmatively - although he also noted that the team is playing well. "We're doing all right," he said. "We'll see. We'll see what we get." Despite Steinbrenner's statement that there's a player he prefers, it continues to appear that he really does trust Cashman's judgment. Cashman received increased authority after reupping with the organization after last season. "I feel like we're all on the same page, and I think maybe Brian's situation has something to do with that too," Joe Torre said before the Yankees' 14-3 victory yesterday. "Brian doesn't make all the decisions all the time, but everything is going through him and I think that's the most important thing. ... I think he's at a point now where he trusts Brian, and that's important." Asked what he likes best about what the Yankees are doing, Steinbrenner said, "Winning." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 :Cuss: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 keep melky, hughes and cano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 We might be able to steal him for some average prospects in a salary dump trade. Abreu is a damn good player and only 32 so he's still got a couple prime years ahead of him and I see him making big hits for us. Melky could still get playing time if they DH Matsui or Abreu. I assume Abreu is a better defender than Matsui? Obviously Cano, Wang and Hughes arent going to be traded. But we must keep our other top prospects like Duncan and Tabata. Phillies probably want some bullpen help I would guess maybe Matt Smith gets traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Abreu's salary is ridiculous, which is why he might be available. While Shawn Green may not be as good, he's up there and a ton cheaper, salary and trade-wise. One thing-Duncan is getting sone really bad coverage. I've seen him play all of one game, so this isn't some kind of fact-based opinion.But he was demoted from Columus to Trenton. On the face of it, not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Anybody else picturing Cashman in his office on the phone with a potential trade partner and Steinbrenner walks in (the Seinfeld Stein) and starts yapping about Bobby Abreu and how fuzzy cute he is and that he's a southpaw and little Brian has his secretary order security to escort Steinbrenner out of his office and George in his lost mind totally forgets what happened so he does the same thing over and over again all day pestering Brian. Anybody else get this picture running through their heads, anybody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 no, im my head im actually picturing myself trapped on an island full of naked women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Abreu lacks concentration, is a me first guy. While he has a world of talent, he's not the type of guy I would like the Yankees to target. Get a fairly productive player (thats all this line up needs, not another slugger) who plays hard and does whats best for the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Constanza, where is my calzone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shutout Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Constanza, where is my calzone? Sniff,sniff...COSTANZA'S IN THE BUILDING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 keep melky, hughes and cano Agreed, but include Wang. Melky, Hughes, Wang & Cano should all be on Cashman's don't even ask list for young talent....anyone else is available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Agreed, but include Wang. Melky, Hughes, Wang & Cano should all be on Cashman's don't even ask list for young talent....anyone else is available. Man you guys REALLY overrate melky. His ceiling is a 4th outfielder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Melky and untouchable should never be in the same sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Man you guys REALLY overrate melky. His ceiling is a 4th outfielder... Yeah his strong arm, very good defensive skills and ability to bat 1st, 2nd, 7th, 8th or 9th in the lineup and still have a fairly clutch bat so far and good eye at the plate are the skills of a ceiling 4th outfielder. Melky is starting talent and should be the starting everyday RF for the Yankees next season after Sheffield's option is not picked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Man you guys REALLY overrate melky. His ceiling is a 4th outfielder... How can you say that? The kid is like 21 years old. There was another switch hitter years ago, a couple of years younger than Melky. Stunk up the joint when the Yanks brought him up...after a couple of months of showing nothing Yanks sent him back down to the minors... He has a monument in Monument Park...with his number 7 retired. Not saying that Melky will be another Mantle (there never will be ), all I'm saying is for you to label this kid as a fourth OF is way, way premature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 How can you say that? The kid is like 21 years old. There was another switch hitter years ago, a couple of years younger than Melky. Stunk up the joint when the Yanks brought him up...after a couple of months of showing nothing Yanks sent him back down to the minors... He has a monument in Monument Park...with his number 7 retired. Not saying that Melky will be another Mantle (there never will be ), all I'm saying is for you to label this kid as a fourth OF is way, way premature. LOL @ Comparing melky to Micky Mantle who was WIDELY considered the best prospect in baseball the year he came up. it's not like he supprised anyone. Melky is a NICE player but to say that with his 730 OPS and lack of any power that he should be starting in a corner outfield spot dosn't make any sense. It's not just me labeling him as a fourth OF either. I've never seen a scouting report that has him as better then a good 4th outfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet/BosoxFan Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 I gotta have the Yankees add Abreu and not a stud LHP pitcher like Zito or Willis. In true Yankee fashion, they seem to want to logjam themselves with potent offensive options as opposed to pitchers, which bodes well for Yankee haters everywhere. I gotta have them give up their pitching prospect (Something Hughes, I think, Phillip maybe???) too in an effort to get Abreu. Then laugh my @ss off when Matsui and Sheffield come back and they have like 20 outfielders and no pitching. Since they got away from their formula for success, pitching + defense + manufacturing runs, we've been treated to 5 (going on 6) straight years of THEM spending the most money, everyone assuming they're gonna cakwalk to the World Series parade, and falling painfully short. Except, every year it gets better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 I gotta have the Yankees add Abreu and not a stud LHP pitcher like Zito or Willis. In true Yankee fashion, they seem to want to logjam themselves with potent offensive options as opposed to pitchers, which bodes well for Yankee haters everywhere. I gotta have them give up their pitching prospect (Something Hughes, I think, Phillip maybe???) too in an effort to get Abreu. Then laugh my @ss off when Matsui and Sheffield come back and they have like 20 outfielders and no pitching. Since they got away from their formula for success, pitching + defense + manufacturing runs, we've been treated to 5 (going on 6) straight years of THEM spending the most money, everyone assuming they're gonna cakwalk to the World Series parade, and falling painfully short. Except, every year it gets better. No Pitching? If the yankees do NOTHING they still have the best rotation in the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 LOL @ Comparing melky to Micky Mantle who was WIDELY considered the best prospect in baseball the year he came up. it's not like he supprised anyone. Melky is a NICE player but to say that with his 730 OPS and lack of any power that he should be starting in a corner outfield spot dosn't make any sense. It's not just me labeling him as a fourth OF either. I've never seen a scouting report that has him as better then a good 4th outfielder. MM, can you read? Not saying that Melky will be another Mantle (there never will be ), all I'm saying is for you to label this kid as a fourth OF is way, way premature. Show me the scouting report that you said you've read that Melky is nothing more than a 4th OF...I'd like to read that for myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet/BosoxFan Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 No Pitching? If the yankees do NOTHING they still have the best rotation in the division. Thank you for your homer vote...but the Yanks dont have the best "anything" in the division anymore, not even the best closer, and its been a while since you could say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 MM, can you read? Not saying that Melky will be another Mantle (there never will be ), all I'm saying is for you to label this kid as a fourth OF is way, way premature. Show me the scouting report that you said you've read that Melky is nothing more than a 4th OF...I'd like to read that for myself. Alot of those reports are a few years old so i can't find them but you were saying that they shouldn't trade melky because Mantle struggled early in his carrer but the comparison is HORRIBLE. Mantle was a can't miss before he ever got to the majors. Melky was a B prospect. If you can get a good player for him you have to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Thank you for your homer vote...but the Yanks dont have the best "anything" in the division anymore, not even the best closer, and its been a while since you could say that.It has nothing to do with "homer vote" it has to do with hard stats. Somthing boston fans like to ignore. By the stats the best closer in the AL east this year is BJ Ryan by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Alot of those reports are a few years old so i can't find them but you were saying that they shouldn't trade melky because Mantle struggled early in his carrer but the comparison is HORRIBLE. Mantle was a can't miss before he ever got to the majors. Melky was a B prospect. If you can get a good player for him you have to do it. You just admitted that alot of those scouting reports are a few years old. What was Melky, 17 or 18 at the time? Forget it, I'm out of this debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 You just admitted that alot of those scouting reports are a few years old. What was Melky, 17 or 18 at the time? Forget it, I'm out of this debate. 99% of players never hit their ceiling and dom't come out of nowhere and Melky's ceiling is 4th OF. The chances of him being a good player are so small that if the yankees can get somthing for him they will. You can sign a million players like Melky every year in Free Agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet/BosoxFan Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 It has nothing to do with "homer vote" it has to do with hard stats. Somthing boston fans like to ignore. By the stats the best closer in the AL east this year is BJ Ryan by the way. I agree, BJ Ryan is dominant and I've never said otherwise. Papelbon is pretty freaking amazing as well. He has the lowest ERA of any reliever and I'd actually rather have him than BJ Ryan because sometimes just reading stats can be very misleading. I guess that makes Rivera #3 in the AL East!?!?!?!? See what I mean about jacking off to stat books? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 I agree, BJ Ryan is dominant and I've never said otherwise. Papelbon is pretty freaking amazing as well. He has the lowest ERA of any reliever and I'd actually rather have him than BJ Ryan because sometimes just reading stats can be very misleading. I guess that makes Rivera #3 in the AL East!?!?!?!? See what I mean about jacking off to stat books? Ryan and Papelbon are both having hall of fame years. If mo's typical great year puts him 3rd in the division thats fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Thank you for your homer vote...but the Yanks dont have the best "anything" in the division anymore, not even the best closer, and its been a while since you could say that. Yeah, Mariano Rivera is one of the best closers of all-time but he's not the best closer in the AL East? Give me a break. If you ask me who I want in October or any key game situation, a rookie in Papelbon or BJ Ryan, I'm taking Rivera Yankees don't have the best anything? Okay. Sure. A-Rod isn't the best 3rd baseman? Giambi isn't the best 1B? The Yankees do have the best starting rotation as well. Once you pass Beckett and Schilling the Red Sox have nothing. 1. Johnson 2. Mussina 3. Wang 4. Wright 5. Ponson Yeah, I know Wright is 3rd now but that is because of his lack of innings and they don't want the bullpen in a situation where maybe Ponson gets ringed and the bullpen to be responsibible for at least 3-4 innings 2 nights in a row. I'm taking that rotation over any other one in the AL East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Why are you guys some gung ho on adding another bat ? Pitching, Pitching, Pitching that is what wins championships. They have enough bats. What they need is a bat off the bench (Ruben Sierra anyone) and they need to get their bullpen in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Why are you guys some gung ho on adding another bat ? Pitching, Pitching, Pitching that is what wins championships. They have enough bats. What they need is a bat off the bench (Ruben Sierra anyone) and they need to get their bullpen in order. I agree. I've been pushing for either Zito or Willis since April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 I agree. I've been pushing for either Zito or Willis since April. The yankees arn't getting Zito or Wiliis. You can forget that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 The yankees arn't getting Zito or Wiliis. You can forget that. Willis, maybe not. Zito, why not? If not in the next few weeks then we should be in strong competition for him with the Mets & Dodgers this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Willis, maybe not. Zito, why not? If not in the next few weeks then we should be in strong competition for him with the Mets & Dodgers this offseason. The a's arn't trading Zito they are in first place and even if they did the yankees don't have the prospects + major league pitchers to get him unless they give up some crazy wang + hughes package for a guy they can sign in the offseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Do the Yankee fans that want us to get a pitcher more than a hitter think that we can get anybody better than Randy, Moose, Wang hell even Wright? Fat chance. Thats where Ponson comes in. We're not trading Hughes, Cano or Wang, so we wont be getting Zito or Willis, who both wont be traded anyways. We will make a move because Cashman knows he has to because if he doesnt and the Yankees dont make the playoffs his seat would be red hot. He'll add a bat and we'll make the playoffs and win our 27th WS championship. It is as simple as that. And Rivera > Ryan and Papelbon. Please, Papelbon has 20something saves his entire career, lets see him pitch in a pennant race down the stretch. Stupid sox fans, bunch of bimbos. The way Melky is playing you can no longer say his ceiling is a 4th outfielder. Looking at scouting reports, which are almost always wrong when projecting a players success in the major leagues, that ar 3 years old is just stupid. Fact is he is performing like a more than capable starting left fielder and the XBHs are starting to pile up. Jesus christ he is 21 years old enuff of this OPS crap with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Do the Yankee fans that want us to get a pitcher more than a hitter think that we can get anybody better than Randy, Moose, Wang hell even Wright? Fat chance. Thats where Ponson comes in. We're not trading Hughes, Cano or Wang, so we wont be getting Zito or Willis, who both wont be traded anyways. We will make a move because Cashman knows he has to because if he doesnt and the Yankees dont make the playoffs his seat would be red hot. He'll add a bat and we'll make the playoffs and win our 27th WS championship. It is as simple as that. And Rivera > Ryan and Papelbon. Please, Papelbon has 20something saves his entire career, lets see him pitch in a pennant race down the stretch. Stupid sox fans, bunch of bimbos. The way Melky is playing you can no longer say his ceiling is a 4th outfielder. Looking at scouting reports, which are almost always wrong when projecting a players success in the major leagues, that ar 3 years old is just stupid. Fact is he is performing like a more than capable starting left fielder and the XBHs are starting to pile up. Jesus christ he is 21 years old enuff of this OPS crap with him. I don't expect them to pick up a big starter. I would though like to see them either 1) Get a bat that can come off the bench. 2) Keep fine tuning the bullpen. If you are a Yankees fan you cross your fingers and hope that Ponson 1) Stays off the bottle. 2) Gives the Yanks a perfromance like Chacon and Small gave them last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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