GimmeShelter Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 News: Josh Beckett pitched eight shutout innings Wednesday afternoon against the lowly Royals, striking out seven while earning his 12th win of the season. After the game it was announced that Beckett signed an extension with the Red Sox. Financial terms were not immediately available, but GM Theo Epstein said the deal runs through 2009 with a club option for 2010 that could become guaranteed if Beckett reaches certain performance clauses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 That's the good news. Bad News: Wakefield has a broken rib. Out 3 or 4 weeks. Kason Gabbard will take his place until, gasp, Wells comes back. Which could be within a week if all goes well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted July 19, 2006 Author Share Posted July 19, 2006 That's the good news. Bad News: Wakefield has a broken rib. Out 3 or 4 weeks. Kason Gabbard will take his place until, gasp, Wells comes back. Which could be within a week if all goes well. A healthy Wells is a nice boost to the rotation. He gets a lot of negative ink here but he's a proven big game pitcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Here are the details from Gordon Edes of the Boston Globe: A quick glance at the new three-year extension for Red Sox pitcher Josh Beckett. The total guaranteed value of Beckett's contract is $30 million. Here's how it breaks down: $2 million signing bonus $6 million salary for 2007 $9.5 million salary for 2008 $10.5 million salary for 2009 $12 million at club option for 2010. The option becomes automatic if Beckett makes 28 starts in 2009 or he has a total of 56 starts in 2008 and 2009. There is also a $2 million buyout clause on the option to make the guaranteed total $30 million. The contract also includes the standard awards package, which could bring more bonus money. The deal does not include any "no trade" language, which is standard procedure for the Red Sox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 That contract shows how far his value has fallen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 It's a good deal for the Sox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 It's a good deal for the Sox. Not if he pitches like the complete garbage he's been for the majority of this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 That contract shows how far his value has fallen... No it shows that he is a young proven pitcher who is getting paid a lot of money. You guys overpay considerably to most players. Oh and did you not seen him shutout the Royals today? None of the Yankees starters shut out the Royals so he must have been doing something right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Not if he pitches like the complete garbage he's been for the majority of this year. You are right. Those 12 wins of his really suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Not if he pitches like the complete garbage he's been for the majority of this year. Majority= more than half. Starts: 20 Quality starts: 12 Wrong again. Stop being a homer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 madmike: What are the Yankees paying their #2 starter (who has less wins than Beckett). Player A: ERA 5.06, Record 10-8 Player B: ERA 5.12, Record 12-5 Player A makes $15 million a year and is 42 years old. Player B just signed a contract that averages $8.5 million per year and is 26 years old. Who would you rather have on your team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted July 19, 2006 Author Share Posted July 19, 2006 That contract shows how far his value has fallen... LOL...Mike you are hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 It's not like Beckett scares the Yankees. They coulsd sign him to a life long deal for all I care. He's a home run machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 madmike: What are the Yankees paying their #2 starter (who has less wins than Beckett). Player A: ERA 5.06, Record 10-8 Player B: ERA 5.12, Record 12-5 Player A makes $15 million a year and is 42 years old. Player B just signed a contract that averages $8.5 million per year and is 26 years old. Who would you rather have on your team? Tell you what though, Johnsons been earning his money recently. A lot more than Beckett has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 LOL...Mike you are hilarious.Look at the contract Burnett got. Beckett was supposed to be better then Burnett yet he got MUCH less money. Thats my only point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 It's not like Beckett scares the Yankees. They coulsd sign him to a life long deal for all I care. He's a home run machine. He has given up something like 26 HR's on the road and only a handfull at Fenway. It is a bizzare stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 madmike: What are the Yankees paying their #2 starter (who has less wins than Beckett). Player A: ERA 5.06, Record 10-8 Player B: ERA 5.12, Record 12-5 Player A makes $15 million a year and is 42 years old. Player B just signed a contract that averages $8.5 million per year and is 26 years old. Who would you rather have on your team? I'd rather have randy johnson because he's been great 7 of his last 8 starts and will pitch the yankees into the playoffs again. Beckett has already given up more homers then randy did the whole year last year in a year where he gave up alot of homers. I'd rather have Jaret Wright starting for my team then beckett. He's gotten bombed all year by every decent team he faced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted July 20, 2006 Author Share Posted July 20, 2006 Bottom line = Beckett is 12-5 and we all have seen how he handles post season stage. Only homer Yankee fans question Boston obtaining Beckett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 He has given up something like 26 HR's on the road and only a handfull at Fenway. It is a bizzare stat. Horrible g/f + Worst k/9 of his carrer = lots and lots of homers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 I use a pitchers win/loss record only when it supports my Yankee hating agenda. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 I'd rather have randy johnson because he's been great 7 of his last 8 starts and will pitch the yankees into the playoffs again. Beckett has already given up more homers then randy did the whole year last year in a year where he gave up alot of homers. I'd rather have Jaret Wright starting for my team then beckett. He's gotten bombed all year by every decent team he faced. So you will take the 42 year old overpaid guy over the 26 year old who has more wins. Good on ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 Bottom line = Beckett is 12-5 and we all have seen how he handles post season stage. Only homer Yankee fans question Boston obtaining Beckett. Beckett VORP 2.7 Hanley Ramriez VORP 18.7 As a yankee fan i'm thrilled the yankees get to batter Beckett for the next few year instead of having to get one of the best young SS in baseball out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted July 20, 2006 Author Share Posted July 20, 2006 . Way to bring something to the table Matt. You honestly can say you would not have wanted the Yanks to get Beckett last off season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 So you will take the 42 year old overpaid guy over the 26 year old who has more wins. Good on ya. First of all wins mean nothing. Second if a guy is better it dosn't matter how old they are. When Johnson is done the yankees can go sign a FA pitcher. One who is better then Beckett.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 Way to bring something to the table Matt. You honestlty can say you would not have wanted the Yanks to get Beckett last off season? Give up Cano and Wang for Beckett? No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted July 20, 2006 Author Share Posted July 20, 2006 Give up Cano and Wang for Beckett? No thanks. The Sox didnt pay that price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 Beckett VORP 2.7 Hanley Ramriez VORP 18.7 As a yankee fan i'm thrilled the yankees get to batter Beckett for the next few year instead of having to get one of the best young SS in baseball out. Would you please stop with this VORP crap. It doesn't mean jack all and is another ridiculous idea dreamed up by baseball stat geeks. Wins and losses are all that matter. Who has time for this crap: http://www.stathead.com/bbeng/woolner/vorp.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 Would you please stop with this VORP crap. It doesn't mean jack all and is another ridiculous idea dreamed up by baseball stat geeks. Wins and losses are all that matter. Conversation over you obviously have no idea what your talking about when it comes to baseball when you say that w-l are all that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 The Sox didnt pay that price. Not quite THAT high but they did pay a pretty steep one. They would be in MUCH better shape if they had never made the arroyo or beckett deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted July 20, 2006 Author Share Posted July 20, 2006 Would you please stop with this VORP crap. It doesn't mean jack all and is another ridiculous idea dreamed up by baseball stat geeks. Wins and losses are all that matter. Come on Gainzo, you know Epstein brought up his VORP as well as his Blood Pressure and cholestoral readings when negotiating the extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 Give up Cano and Wang for Beckett? No thanks. No, that would us giving up Papelbon or Hansen and Pedroia. Hanley was struggling in AAA the last few times around and wasn't doing much. Sanchez was down the depth chart on a minor league system that was and still is very deep. Don't forget we also got Lowell who has been an integral part of our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 Way to bring something to the table Matt. You honestly can say you would not have wanted the Yanks to get Beckett last off season? lol, go back and read over your quote I posted again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted July 20, 2006 Author Share Posted July 20, 2006 Not quite THAT high but they did pay a pretty steep one. They would be in MUCH better shape if they had never made the arroyo or beckett deals. I think you're dead wrong but time will tell. Sox were brilliant this off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 No, that would us giving up Papelbon or Hansen and Pedroia. Hanley was struggling in AAA the last few times around and wasn't doing much. Sanchez was down the depth chart on a minor league system that was and still is very deep. Don't forget we also got Lowell who has been an integral part of our team.Lowell any team could've had for nothing. Just because you got lucky and he had a good few months that dosn't make it a good trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 Brilliant. And, you're a fan of whom again? Oh I know, it's the rivalry that gets you going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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