Green Jets & Ham Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 CF Johnny Damon {L} SS Derek Jeter {R} RF Bobby Abreu {L} 3B Alex Rodriguez {R} 1B Jason Giambi {L} DH Gary Sheffield {R} LF Hideki Matsui {L} C Jorge Posada {S} 2B Robinson Cano {L} :eek: :eek: BENCH ===== OF Bernie Willliams {S} 1B/OF Craig Wilson {R} OF Melky Cabrera {L} IF Miguel Cairo {R} C Sal Fasano {R} Note: I have Shef & Matsui hitting down in the lineup cause their both coming off season long injuries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Jets & Ham Posted July 31, 2006 Author Share Posted July 31, 2006 OBTW, I love the Abreu addition ... absolute heist Wilson was an outstanding move as well ... huge upgrade over Phillips as a part-time 1B, 1B defensive replacement, and he can even play some OF in a pinch and we only need Lidle to be a decent #4 or #5 ======= I Give the Cash-man an A+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Jets & Ham Posted July 31, 2006 Author Share Posted July 31, 2006 SERIOUS QUESTION In the history of baseball has there ever been a better match of "TEAM" and the GM's last name? As the Beatles once said ... Cause I'm the Cash-man ... Woooo, ooooo ... I'm the Cash-ma-aaan! Granted its not his cash .. these benjamins belong to BIG STEIN .. but the Cash-man spent it wisely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Where is the starting pitching? this team doesn't go any deeper in the playoffs with these additions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Where is the starting pitching? this team doesn't go any deeper in the playoffs with these additions. Correct Smizzy. Same old Yankee mistake that even brings Ham back to the forum now that the lean times are over. Offense is not the Yankee problem. Mets grab a young starter with great potential for the future and the Yanks take on yet another salary dump for a bat thinking you can hit your way past good play-off pitching. Abreu changes nothing.....Yanks go as far as Randy takes them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 The pitching is the key. BUT trading for pitching now would have been a mistake. They go as far as RJ takes them. Moose and Wang have done well. If Lidle can be a reliable # 5 kudos to Cashman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Do you Yankees fans honestly think Abreu was acquired because both Matsui AND Sheff are coming back? I'm sure it would be nice for you all, but I don't think that is why Abreu was acquired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Correct Smizzy. Same old Yankee mistake that even brings Ham back to the forum now that the lean times are over. Offense is not the Yankee problem. Mets grab a young starter with great potential for the future and the Yanks take on yet another salary dump for a bat thinking you can hit your way past good play-off pitching. Abreu changes nothing.....Yanks go as far as Randy takes them. Um. Oliverz Perez sucks. A lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 and the Yanks take on yet another salary dump for a bat thinking you can hit your way past good play-off pitching. . Now, if the Yanks make the playoffs their top 3 guys wold be: Moose Wang Johnson. Do you really think they could have upgraded over any of those 3 guys through free agency? Hopefully Lidle can turn out to be a decent 5th starter. Aside from the Angels, I'd take that 3 over any other in the AL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Um. Oliverz Perez sucks. A lot. Didn't you say that about Bonderman as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 Good to see you back, Ham! And that lineup has got to be the greatest 1-9 lineup ever put on paper. We also got Lidle, who was probably the best pitcher that moved during this trading season. We werent gonna get a better #3 than Randy, Moose or Wang, unless you wanted to give up Hughes and Tabata! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 Didn't you say that about Bonderman as well? Never said he sucked. Just never put it together. He's having a nice season, but he doesn't scare me as a pitcher. Perez on the other hand is a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 Um. Oliverz Perez sucks. A lot. He has the stuff to be a dominant pitcher, its just a matter of consistantly pitching at his top level. Same with Kip Wells, he has some very good stuff too, they just need to get to that next level. I agree that the yanks couldn't do much more than they did though, there weren't really that many options out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 He has the stuff to be a dominant pitcher, its just a matter of consistantly pitching at his top level. Same with Kip Wells, he has some very good stuff too, they just need to get to that next level. I agree that the yanks couldn't do much more than they did though, there wasn't really that many good starters out there. You know how many pitchers that have gone through the bigs that have had "the stuff" to be dominant? The argument that's he's young holds no water. You can't be young and suck as a pitcher? Thats bs. Talk about potential all you want. The guy has done the unthinkable and has had an even worse season that he did last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 The tigers wont make the playoffs. Jeremy(I only pitch well agains tthe Royals) Bonderman is awful http://www.jetnation.com/forums/showpost.php?p=248420&postcount=4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 You know how many pitchers that have gone through the bigs that have had "the stuff" to be dominant? The argument that's he's young holds no water. You can't be young and suck as a pitcher? Thats bs. Talk about potential all you want. The guy has done the unthinkable and has had an even worse season that he did last year. That explains why the yankees of the last 5 years traded away so many of their prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 http://www.jetnation.com/forums/showpost.php?p=248420&postcount=4 Pretty interesting you were able to find that. Just curious, what was the date of that post? Up until a certain point of the season, Bonderman was feasting on the Tigers easy schedule. He's come on as of late. But against teams like the Yanks and Sox, I still wouldnt count on him just yet. The Yankees have always seemed to have hit him with ease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 5th starters are 5th starters for a reason (and not aces) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 That explains why the yankees of the last 5 years traded away so many of their prospects. Who were these great prospects they traded away? And I thought everyone believed the Yankee farm system was terrible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 5th starters are 5th starters for a reason (and not aces) Every team in baseball could use a good 5th starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 Every team in baseball could use a good 5th starter. especially the team with david wells Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 Pretty interesting you were able to find that. Just curious, what was the date of that post? Up until a certain point of the season, Bonderman was feasting on the Tigers easy schedule. He's come on as of late. But against teams like the Yanks and Sox, I still wouldnt count on him just yet. The Yankees have always seemed to have hit him with ease. Wasn't hard, just need to know how to use the search feature. Anyway, not all, probably not most dominant pitchers aren't dominant when they're 25 years old. He's got a few more years before he's considered garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 especially the team with david wells LOL. I was just about to post the same thing. Dont worry though, he's a good "big game" pitcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 GS, I always find extremely amusing as well. He always preaches how the Yankes need more pitching, but whenever the name Wily Mo Pena comes up he begins foaming from the mouth. I thought you never give up pitching for a bat? Arroyo for Willy Mo= great move. Yanks aquiring Abreu for next to nothing = bad move. Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 GS was also the same one who said David Wells was good last year because of his win record, and not becuase his stats sucked and he got high run support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 Kip Wells > David Wells Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 I get the feeling that once Sheffield knows his option isn't getting picked up he will either be hurt or home in Tampa in September. And the way Melky's playing, just as well. Let Matsui DH; Melky's a better defensive LF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 LOL. I was just about to post the same thing. Dont worry though, he's a good "big game" pitcher. LOL....come on Matt give him a start or two to get back. Wily Mo is 2x the talent Arroyo is. Remember you were wrong on Wright, Beltran and Bonderman so chief talent evaluator you are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 GS, I always find extremely amusing as well. He always preaches how the Yankes need more pitching, but whenever the name Wily Mo Pena comes up he begins foaming from the mouth. I thought you never give up pitching for a bat? Arroyo for Willy Mo= great move. Yanks aquiring Abreu for next to nothing = bad move. Right. I didn't say bad move....I said uneeded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 Wrong on beltran? What the hell did I ever say about him other than he had a terrible 2005? Wily Mo is 2x the talent Arroyo is, based on what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 I didn't say bad move....I said uneeded. Coming from the guy who said Melky was a 4th OF at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasonJet Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 Correct Smizzy. Same old Yankee mistake that even brings Ham back to the forum now that the lean times are over. Offense is not the Yankee problem. Mets grab a young starter with great potential for the future and the Yanks take on yet another salary dump for a bat thinking you can hit your way past good play-off pitching. Abreu changes nothing.....Yanks go as far as Randy takes them. What we needed was a 5th starter and we got a good one in Lidle. No he's not an ace but we already have some pretty good pitchers. Mussina and Wang are very reliable and Johnson has been better lately but was awful in his last start. Either way, getting Abreu and Lidle for a bunch of blah minor league prospects is a total steal, and I didn't see the Sawx making themselves any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Jets & Ham Posted August 1, 2006 Author Share Posted August 1, 2006 CF Johnny Damon {L} SS Derek Jeter {R} RF Bobby Abreu {L} 3B Alex Rodriguez {R} 1B Jason Giambi {L} DH Gary Sheffield {R} LF Hideki Matsui {L} C Jorge Posada {S} 2B Robinson Cano {L} :eek: :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 i'd bench sheff* (start him 1-2x a week) and start melky at LF and shift matsui to DH screw sheff, its time for the future and i think its safe to say no pitcher will throw a CG against that Yankees lineup, look at the high OBP's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbn007 Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 Offense is not the Yankee problem. Mets grab a young starter with great potential for the future and the Yanks take on yet another salary dump for a bat thinking you can hit your way past good play-off pitching. Oliver Perez needs more then the Rick Peterson "10 minute" fix. A lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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