GimmeShelter Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Rotoworld article on revisiting the trade. Remember how many people were so quick to write off the Bronson Arroyo-Wily Mo Pena trade as a big win for the Reds earlier this season? Most of the mainstream media appears to have already made up their mind in terms of evaluating the deal, but things have certainly changed recently. After taking advantage of the switch to the inferior NL early, Arroyo has come crashing back down to earth by going 10 straight starts without a win. He Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 I maintained from the time that trade was made that the Sox pulled off a heist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 I have liked it also. Did anyone see that laser beem HR he hit last week that went straight over the Green Monster into the bleachers? Not arc and landed, straight into them and then bounced back onto the field. It was not even at it's arc and coming back down. Sox done did good and getting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 the Sox could use a pitcher with a winning record and an ERA+ of 129 (29 points above the league average) thats more valuable than a 4th outfielder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 the Sox could use a pitcher with a winning record and an ERA+ of 129 (29 points above the league average) thats more valuable than a 4th outfielder Coming out of the spring it was suppossed to be Schilling, Beckett, Wells, Wakefield and Clement. Arroyo was not needed. Even with hindsight, the argument is weak. Arroyo is not the difference between the Sox winning a title or not. He might solidfy the rotation for this year, but is his protated NL stats (i.e. 9-8 3.54 ERA) going translate all that much better for the Sox in the AL? No. The Wells-Wake-Clement trio is 13-15. Put his record in their take out Lester's 5-2 and the Sox are about the same place they are 66-48. Arroyo is at best a number 2 on an average at best NL team and a 4th or 5th on a good AL team. Even more impact for this year alone is debatable. Wily Mo on the other hand has far more upside and he helped the Sox immensely this year. He filled in for Coco and did an excellent job. He has filled in for Trot and done and excellent job. Roto might be right he is a replacement for Trot. I think he might be a better replacement for Manny in a couple of years. Either way next year, teams are going to cringe when they have Papi-Manny-Mo to deal with at 3-4-5 in the batting order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 I don't fear Willie Mo at all put him at #3 in the lineup for all I care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 I don't fear Willie Mo at all put him at #3 in the lineup for all I care Just proving your ignorance then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbn007 Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Are teh Bosox really going to let Nixon go, and use Pena as his replacement? I always felt Trot was a clubhouse presence, in addition to his on-the-field abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Are teh Bosox really going to let Nixon go, and use Pena as his replacement? I always felt Trot was a clubhouse presence, in addition to his on-the-field abilities. He is, but I could see them letting him go. I always thought Wily Mo was Manny's replacement. The Sox ride Manny until his contract expires and unless she comes down to Earth on his salary, they bid him a fond farewell. As far as Trot goes, this is the fourth straight year Trot will miss 20+ games. He has not shown the power he had early in his career. He has been under or on-pace to hit under 20 HRs since 2003. He has chronic back problems and is 32yo. I would like him back, but think trying to plan the team with him in RF is risky. Time to find a solution there and move Trot to bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbn007 Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 He is, but I could see them letting him go. I always thought Wily Mo was Manny's replacement. The Sox ride Manny until his contract expires and unless she comes down to Earth on his salary, they bid him a fond farewell. As far as Trot goes, this is the fourth straight year Trot will miss 20+ games. He has not shown the power he had early in his career. He has been under or on-pace to hit under 20 HRs since 2003. He has chronic back problems and is 32yo. I would like him back, but think trying to plan the team with him in RF is risky. Time to find a solution there and move Trot to bench. Interesting take on Trot. He seems to me to be another of those gusy with "character" and "intangibles" that are valuble in the clubhouse. Guys like Millar, Damon, etc. It is tough to replace these types so easily. Manny does not qualify, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Interesting take on Trot. He seems to me to be another of those gusy with "character" and "intangibles" that are valuble in the clubhouse. Guys like Millar, Damon, etc. It is tough to replace these types so easily. Manny does not qualify, IMO. I think you could replace his on the field production, especially the last four years, but as you said not his lockeroom prescence. I think he makes like 6 million a year and if he stayed close to that, I would hope he comes back. I mean what is the point of being a big market team if you cannot utilize it to keep an aging OF on your team for 6 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 I think he makes like 6 million a year and if he stayed close to that, I would hope he comes back. $7.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbn007 Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 $7.5 Yes, that is his salary for 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 $7.5 Seven dollars and fifty cents? He should fire his agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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