Who thinks Clemens should start?

[CoachTsurfing]

I know Clemens was playing against there 2nd stringers, but anyone think he should start over Chad next pre-season game?

[KSJets]

I know Clemens was playing against there 2nd stringers, but anyone think he should start over Chad next pre-season game?

Actually, I have a feeling either Ramsey or Bollinger will get the start, with the other coming in during the 2nd quarter, then Chad and Clemens in the 2nd half.

I just think Mangini wants to see all of them, almost in equal situations, before deciding before the 3rd game on his starter.

Just my 2 cents though.

[L.S. Dylan]

Actually, I have a feeling either Ramsey or Bollinger will get the start, with the other coming in during the 2nd quarter, then Chad and Clemens in the 2nd half.

I just think Mangini wants to see all of them, almost in equal situations, before deciding before the 3rd game on his starter.

Just my 2 cents though.

agreed

[serphnx]

According to the Daily News, Pennington might have re-injured his shoulder. If that's the case, well, Clemens very well might be starting sooner than we thought...

[harris5214]

your kidding right

[PFSIKH]

According to the Daily News, Pennington might have re-injured his shoulder. If that's the case, well, Clemens very well might be starting sooner than we thought...

What that 9-14 for a whole 54 yards put to much strain on his shoulder?

[JetCane]

Shoulder watch is on

BY RICH CIMINI

DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

Chad Pennington scrambles early, but later gets pounded, marking first scare for Gang Groan.

TAMPA - Chad Pennington's surgically repaired throwing shoulder is an issue. Again.

On a play hauntingly similar to last Sept. 25, the day he wrecked his shoulder for the second time, the Jets' hard-luck quarterback may have hurt it again last night when his right arm was hit by a blitzing safety in a 16-3 loss to the Bucs at Raymond James Stadium.

Coach Eric Mangini declined to discuss injuries after the game, the preseason opener for both teams, but there were indications that Pennington - in his highly anticipated debut - did something to the shoulder.

After the sack, which resulted in a fumble, Pennington went to the sideline and made at least two dozen warmup throws, with members of the Jets' medical staff watching. It seemed like a curious time for an impromptu bullpen session. Later, sitting on the bench, he flexed his arm a few times, as if trying to test the range of motion.

Afterward, the Jets went to great lengths to shield Pennington from the media. His clothes were removed from his locker, where reporters had gathered, and were brought to him in the trainer's room.

With the team buses waiting for him, Pennington took 45 minutes in the trainer's room before emerging to speak with reporters. Asked if the delay was because he was receiving treatment for an injury, Pennington said, "No, I wasn't getting treatment. I was just kind of looking at the stats and taking my time, to be honest with you."

Something as frivolous as reading a stat sheet wouldn't be a reason for holding up an entire team. Clearly, Pennington was up to something behind closed doors.

Pennington, who didn't appear to have any shoulder wraps or slings under his sport coat, refused to acknowledge he was hurt.

"I did take a few shots . . . but everything worked out fine," he said.

What about the warm-up tosses?

"I just wanted to go ahead and throw and see how it was after I had taken a shot like that, just to make sure everything was fine - and it was," Pennington said.

In his first action since his season-ending shoulder injury, Pennington (9-for-14, 54 yards) played two series, taking at least two hits to the shoulder. The latter came on a safety blitz by Kalvin Pearson, who beat a block by Cedric Houston. Pearson hit Pennington's right arm, and out came the ball.

It was eerily reminiscent to the Paul Spicer hit last Sept. 25, when the Jaguars' defensive end yanked Pennington's arm backward as he prepared to throw. As a result, he required surgery for the second time in eight months.

"Definitely similar, no doubt," Pennington admitted with a nervous laugh.

Pennington was evasive when asked if he expected to be practicing tomorrow when the Jets return to the field. Let the Shoulder Watch begin.

Mangini dodged when he was asked if he was nervous about seeing his presumed starter take a shot to his shoulder.

"If it were any quarterback, I'd feel exactly the same way," he said.

Pennington, who was slated to play only two series, was replaced by rookie Kellen Clemens (10-for-14, 92 yards), who was impressive, leading the team to its only points. Patrick Ramsey (2-for-3, nine yards) handled mop-up duty.

RUNNING ON EMPTY: Derrick Blaylock (six carries for 12 yards) and Houston (five for 17), both trying to fill the Curtis Martin void, didn't distinguish themselves. The rebuilt offensive line, featuring rookies D'Brickashaw Ferguson and Nick Mangold (one penalty), struggled to open holes against the Bucs' first- and second-stringers. . . . As expected, NT Sione Pouha (knee surgery) was placed on season-ending injured reserve.

Originally published on August 12, 2006

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Fat Cann didnt mention it in his article- heres his notes

JET NOTES

TAMPA - Rookie quarterback Kellen Clemens took some major steps last night, showing poise while leading the Jets to their only points of a 16-3 loss to the Bucs on an impressive two-minute drill at the end of the first half.

Relieving Chad Pennington in the second quarter, Clemens, the Jets' second-round draft pick, completed 7-of-10 passes for 57 yards before halftime, which came with the Jets and Bucs tied at 3-3.

He was most impressive on the final series of the half, during which he completed 5-of-8 for 42 yards while leading the Jets to a game-tying field goal in the two-minute offense.

"He showed a lot of poise in the huddle," WR Jerricho Cotchery said. "He came into the huddle and said, 'Let's go, let's get this thing going.' "

Clemens finished 10-of-14 for 92 yards.

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As expected, the Jets' rushing game, without Curtis Martin, looked pedestrian at best and could be an issue possibly for the rest of the season.

Derrick Blaylock rushed six times for 12 yards and never looked in a rhythm.

Cedric Houston rushed for 17 yards on five carries, but missed a first-half block that allowed Pennington to be sacked and fumble the ball away in the red zone.

Rookie Leon Washington saw some action in the second half, but didn't do anything special.

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It was a bad night for Jets CB Rayshun Reed, who was beaten for two TD passes in the second half.

On the first, he was in solo coverage on Bucs WR Paris Warren, and on the second he was trying in vain to cover WR Maurice Stovall. Warren is three inches taller than the 5-9 Reed and Stovall, at 6-5, is eight inches taller.

Reed, remember, began training camp on the physically unable to perform list (PUP) along with WR Justin McCareins for failing to pass the opening-day running tests.

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LB Brad Kassell led the Jets with seven tackles. Derrick Strait, starting at SS in place of Erik Coleman (appendix surgery), had four tackles, as did FS Kerry Rhodes . . . First-round pick, LT D'Brickashaw Ferguson, held his own against Bucs DE Simeon Rice.

[JetCane]

Chad returns as No. 1

Pennington effective in first two series and shows shoulder can take hit

BY TOM ROCK

Newsday Staff Correspondent

August 12, 2006

TAMPA, Fla. -- Chad Pennington was in midseason form, at least by last year's standards.

He stood on the sideline for most of the game, helmet off, rooting for the Jets instead of quarterbacking them. A familiar pose. It's a position he occupied for most of the 2005 season after a second rotator cuff injury required a second surgery.

But unlike the forced inactivity of last year, Pennington earned this rest. He erased nearly every doubt that he would be this team's starting quarterback by the simple fact that he was the starting quarterback.

Jets coach Eric Mangini had tried to keep that matter secret during training camp. But in Friday night's preseason opener against the Buccaneers -- a 16-3 loss for the Jets at Raymond James Stadium -- Pennington's status was obvious.

Pennington played a pair of series, spurring the Jets' offense with short, efficient passes, but was unable to get the ball in the end zone or put any points on the scoreboard. He also proved he can take a hit on his twice-repaired right shoulder, perhaps too much for Mangini's liking. His second drive ended when Kalvin Pearson sliced through the offensive line and whacked that throwing arm, forcing a fumble that was recovered by Barrett Ruud after the Jets advanced to the Bucs' 5.

Pennington was 9-for-14 for 54 yards, his longest pass an 11-yard toss to Laveranues Coles on third-and-8. He completed his first five passes, none of them beyond 8 yards, then threw three straight incompletions as the 12-play opening drive ended with a punt.

Pennington took his first hit from an opposing player since Week 4 of last season when a seemingly busted play had him rolling unprotected to his right. Pennington tucked the ball and ran for a gain of 5, diving for extra yardage.

On the second drive, he withstood a helmet-to-helmet hit from Ellis Wyms after tossing a short pass to running back Derrick Blaylock. He was hit by Dewayne White later in the series, forcing a fumble, but Pennington picked up the ball and threw it away.

Once Pennington's night ended, it was time for the rotation. Rookie Kellen Clemens batted second in the Mangini quarterback order. The second-round draft pick performed admirably in his second series, guiding the Jets to their only first-half points with an 11-play drive that ended with a 20-yard field goal to tie it at 3.

The Jets received the ball for the scoring drive at the Tampa Bay 48 with 1:50 left. Clemens fired a strong pass to Jerricho Cotchery for a gain of 19, then hit Tim Dwight for a gain of 7 on third-and-4 to set up first-and-goal at the 4.

Clemens threw a fade to Cotchery in the end zone that was broken up by Alan Zemaitis, then ran for a gain of 2 when no receivers were open on second down. The impressive part of that play was his ability to jump up and use the Jets' final timeout of the half to stop the clock with six seconds left. That left time for a quick try for six, which ended up with an intentional incompletion, and Mike Nugent's kick through the uprights.

[JetCane]

Jets show their holes in loss to Bucs

Saturday, August 12, 2006

BY DAVE HUTCHINSON

Star-Ledger Staff

TAMPA, Fla. -- This much is known about the Jets after their first preseason game: They have a quarterback, but no running back or nose tackle, and that could be a recipe for disaster.

Chad Pennington, who is firmly entrenched as the starter, served notice that he and his twice surgically repaired right shoulder are here to stay after taking several hits on the shoulder and leading the Jets on two 13-play drives, although he didn't put any points on the board in a 16-3 Jets loss to the Tampa Bay Bucs at Raymond James Stadium.

Running back Derrick Blaylock, being given the first crack at replacing an injured Curtis Martin, had just 12 yards on six carries and backup Cedric Houston had 17 yards on five attempts and looked better than Blaylock. The Jets had just 44 yards rushing.

Defensively, the Jets need some beef in the middle of their line as the Bucs rang up 167 yards rushing. They'll likely keep searching for a nose tackle as Dewayne Robertson seems ill-suited for the position.

"We did a pretty good job in the first half but we couldn't finish the drive," said coach Eric Mangini. "In the second half, it was fundamental football. They blocked better than we did and tackled better than we did."

Pennington, however, was the story.

"It was fun to get back out there with my teammates. You miss that," said Pennington, who completed 9 of 14 passes for 54 yards. "It was bittersweet because we didn't get into the end zone. ... I just take what the defense gives me. We had two 13-play drives but at the end of the day you have to make sure you finish those drives."

On his second drive, Pennington, who was sacked once and had two fumbles, led the Jets to the Bucs' 6-yard line but he was sacked on a safety blitz by Kalvin Pearson and fumbled. The play was frighteningly similar to the play on which he injured his shoulder last season against Jacksonville as Pennington was hit while he was in his throwing motion.

The entire Jets organization exhaled after Pennington got up. He went to the sideline and threw a few balls but didn't return. Mangini said he planned to take Pennington out of the game anyway.

"It was definitely similar, no doubt," said Pennington, who was slow to come out to address the media but insisted he was fine. "I did take a few shots but everything worked out. At the quarterback position, you're going to take some hits."

Overall, though, it was a great night for Pennington and rookie Kellen Clemens, who hit 10 of 14 passes for 92 yards. Clemens led the Jets to a field goal in a two-minute drill before the half. Patrick Ramsey hit 2 of 3 passes for 9 yards in his only series and Brooks Bollinger didn't play.

"Some throws and decisions I'd like to have back," Clemens said. "But to play in a live game with live bullets, it was a good experience."

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The Jets' new 3-4 defense needs some shoring up as Bucs' third-string running Earnest Graham looked like a Pro Bowler. He tore through the Jets defense for 68 yards on 16 carries.

The Bucs finished with 305 yards total offense, 167 yards rushing. The Jets had 185 total yards. Tampa did most of its damage against the backups, but the starting defense struggled as well.

"It's actually minor, not major," middle linebacker Jonathan Vilma said. "It's a technique issue. They were running the same play up the middle. It's just using the correct hand placement and getting off your blocks."

Although the starters played only two series, their troubles against the run were evident. The Jets' second-team defense gave up two 80-yard drives, with third-year cornerback Rayshaun Reed being beat for two touchdown passes.

In addition to needing a nose tackle, the Jets have no depth along the defense line, especially the interior. The unit was dealt a big blow as tough backup nose tackle Sione Pouha (knee) has undergone surgery and is out for the season.

"They hit us with some plays here and there," defensive end Shaun Ellis said. "We have to go back and correct our mistakes."

Notes: Rookie LT D'Brickashaw Fereguson went against Bucs Pro Bowl Simeon Rice in the first series. Ferguson didn't allow a sack but he had plenty of help and Rice beat him on a couple of quick moves only to face an addition blocker. "I want to look at the tape and evaluate the whole experience," Ferguson said. ...

Derrick Strait, whose versatility has the Jets excited, started at safety in place of the injured Erik Coleman (appendectomy). ... The Jets moved Kimo von Oelhoffen to NT and Robertson to DE but the Bucs continued to move the ball. ... Rookie C Nick Mangold had a false start. ... LB Victor Hobson dropped an interception. ... Veteran nickel back Ray Mickens committed a bad pass inference penalty on a second-and-21 with the Bucs pinned on their 9-yard line. ... Rookie WR Brad Smith was a gunner on punt returns.

[#27TheDominator]

Shoulder watch is on

BY RICH CIMINI

DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

Chad Pennington scrambles early, but later gets pounded, marking first scare for Gang Groan.

TAMPA - Chad Pennington's surgically repaired throwing shoulder is an issue. Again.

On a play hauntingly similar to last Sept. 25, the day he wrecked his shoulder for the second time, the Jets' hard-luck quarterback may have hurt it again last night when his right arm was hit by a blitzing safety in a 16-3 loss to the Bucs at Raymond James Stadium.

Coach Eric Mangini declined to discuss injuries after the game, the preseason opener for both teams, but there were indications that Pennington - in his highly anticipated debut - did something to the shoulder.

After the sack, which resulted in a fumble, Pennington went to the sideline and made at least two dozen warmup throws, with members of the Jets' medical staff watching. It seemed like a curious time for an impromptu bullpen session. Later, sitting on the bench, he flexed his arm a few times, as if trying to test the range of motion.

Afterward, the Jets went to great lengths to shield Pennington from the media. His clothes were removed from his locker, where reporters had gathered, and were brought to him in the trainer's room.

With the team buses waiting for him, Pennington took 45 minutes in the trainer's room before emerging to speak with reporters. Asked if the delay was because he was receiving treatment for an injury, Pennington said, "No, I wasn't getting treatment. I was just kind of looking at the stats and taking my time, to be honest with you."

Something as frivolous as reading a stat sheet wouldn't be a reason for holding up an entire team. Clearly, Pennington was up to something behind closed doors.

Pennington, who didn't appear to have any shoulder wraps or slings under his sport coat, refused to acknowledge he was hurt.

"I did take a few shots . . . but everything worked out fine," he said.

What about the warm-up tosses?

"I just wanted to go ahead and throw and see how it was after I had taken a shot like that, just to make sure everything was fine - and it was," Pennington said.

In his first action since his season-ending shoulder injury, Pennington (9-for-14, 54 yards) played two series, taking at least two hits to the shoulder. The latter came on a safety blitz by Kalvin Pearson, who beat a block by Cedric Houston. Pearson hit Pennington's right arm, and out came the ball.

It was eerily reminiscent to the Paul Spicer hit last Sept. 25, when the Jaguars' defensive end yanked Pennington's arm backward as he prepared to throw. As a result, he required surgery for the second time in eight months.

"Definitely similar, no doubt," Pennington admitted with a nervous laugh.

Pennington was evasive when asked if he expected to be practicing tomorrow when the Jets return to the field. Let the Shoulder Watch begin.

Mangini dodged when he was asked if he was nervous about seeing his presumed starter take a shot to his shoulder.

"If it were any quarterback, I'd feel exactly the same way," he said.

Pennington, who was slated to play only two series, was replaced by rookie Kellen Clemens (10-for-14, 92 yards), who was impressive, leading the team to its only points. Patrick Ramsey (2-for-3, nine yards) handled mop-up duty.

I think this is a load of crap. Cimini knows Mangini won't acknowledge injuries so he make one up and he says no comment, so it sounds like he's hiding something. Warmup throws after a hit? Shocking. Did he go back in the trainers room after he was lifted? No. He was on the sideline "flexing his arm." He went as far as he was supposed to and then Clemens came in.

[JetCane]

I agree 27.

Cimini is just stirring the crap up, or so it seems.

btw-

Jay Cutler had a solid debut for the Broncos. The 11th pick in the draft was 16-of-22 for 192 yards and a touchdown.

[#27TheDominator]

I agree 27.

Cimini is just stirring the crap up, or so it seems.

Doesn't anybody think this might be the way to get back at Mangini for not talking about injuries? He could do this about Penny every week and we'd all fall for it.

[Maxman]

If the Jets can't run the ball they might be better off with Clemens because of his arm. Just put him back there and air it out a bit. Long term wise though, Clemens would be better off if they eased him into it.

Give Pennington 6 - 8 weeks. See what he is doing after the injury. If the season is lost and things are bad, hand it over to Clemens and see what he can do!

[spjets]

If the Jets can't run the ball they might be better off with Clemens because of his arm. Just put him back there and air it out a bit. Long term wise though, Clemens would be better off if they eased him into it.

Give Pennington 6 - 8 weeks. See what he is doing after the injury. If the season is lost and things are bad, hand it over to Clemens and see what he can do!

letting CLEMENS air it out will help the running game big time...i'd love to see Clemens start..

[faba]

The trouble it will seem with Chad in there teams can load up to the line of scrimmage and not respect a long ball and dare the Jets to try to beat them long- make it real tough to run the ball-already with two rookies in there to begin with it is a learning process.

[SoFlaJets]

If the Jets can't run the ball they might be better off with Clemens because of his arm. Just put him back there and air it out a bit. Long term wise though, Clemens would be better off if they eased him into it.

Give Pennington 6 - 8 weeks. See what he is doing after the injury. If the season is lost and things are bad, hand it over to Clemens and see what he can do!

also,Blaylock can't block-right now I think until a move is made (which I beklieve WILL happen) Houston is the best back we got

[Preston Howley III]

Clemens threw a bullet that threaded the needle on the sideline pass to that WR, I think his name was Newhouse (his father played for the Cowboys Buttle said or something like that).

[SoFlaJets]

yea Newhouse JM-I'm commenting a lot now because I'm finally getting a chance to see the game this morning and I'm excited to see my team-that I spend all year talking about on the boards

[bitonti]

Jay Cutler had a solid debut for the Broncos. The 11th pick in the draft was 16-of-22 for 192 yards and a touchdown.

saw the highlights

he had a GREAT game including an amazing touch pass for the TD

future star written all over him

[JETSFAN5180]

Pennington surely did not impress many.He threw nothing over 20 yds.If in fact he was injured. Thanks for the memories Chad.The Quaterback helm needs to be turned over to someone else.

[SoFlaJets]

Pennington surely did not impress many.He threw nothing over 20 yds.If in fact he was injured. Thanks for the memories Chad.The Quaterback helm needs to be turned over to someone else.

Chad's NOT HURT guys! I've seen what an injured QB looks like on the sidelines and did NOT see that look on Pennington today

[mr nyjet]

What that 9-14 for a whole 54 yards put to much strain on his shoulder?

no, it was the ZERO points he put on the board that did it.

[TaborJet]

I don't think we'll ever see Chad out there with the second-stringers. You need the starters to protect the china doll.

Maybe Ramsey starts next week, his one and only long look from Mangini, with Pennington coming in after him.

[mr nyjet]

The trouble it will seem with Chad in there teams can load up to the line of scrimmage and not respect a long ball and dare the Jets to try to beat them long- make it real tough to run the ball-already with two rookies in there to begin with it is a learning process.

there are too many people rooting for the chad jets instead of the new york jets. drinking too much of herm's left-over kool-aid from 2002.

[drago]

letting CLEMENS air it out will help the running game big time...i'd love to see Clemens start..

good call, put the apparant future of the jets in with a rookie line and let him "air it out." Smells like an injury to me, put in Bolly, he did fine last year if Herm the sperm would have allowed him to make some throws.

[Jetfanmack]

good call, put the apparant future of the jets in with a rookie line and let him "air it out." Smells like an injury to me, put in Bolly, he did fine last year if Herm the sperm would have allowed him to make some throws.

Can Bolly see over the line?

[gsnts725]

i say let him sit the rest of the year and learn like palmer did, unless the season goes totally down the toilet then start him at the end of the season to give him some experience.

[124]

If Clemens continues to play that way throughout the Preseason then at some point evenutally he will turn into the starting QB during the regular season after the team suffers it's 6th or 7th loss...or whenever Chad gets hurt 1st if he does yet again.