NIGHT STALKER Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Well, speaking for myself perhaps, I think Mangini's biggest test is whether this young coach will be able to keep the focus of playing football every Sunday with his players. I came to the conclusion early on that this team will more than likely stink up the joint. All I am asking is that they be competitive everytime they step on the field...I am not ready to concede they won't do that after just one preseason game. It will be up to Mangini once we start losing real games to keep his players ready to play even during the toughest times...this will be his real test in his quest to be a HC in my opinion. Once you lose the confidence in the men you lead, you have lost the battle before it even begins. Good luck coach! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 I really believe his biggest obstacle is going to be the media. If he's not winning (even though this is a rebuilding year) they are going to be all over him...Hell, they already are and he's only had 1 preseason game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn212 Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Not if us true Jet fans support Mangini and Tannenbaum, we buy the tickets and the television packages, jersey's etc, etc..I'll be damned if a reporter..any reporter is going to tell me what to think..I believe I'm intelligent enough to form my own opinions on the Jets and I certainly don't need assistance from "sports writers". I think it's the consensus of most posters that Tangini are doing the right things in every way so far, so be it. JETNATION ARISE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 The press, they're going to be killing the guy after every loss because of the way he treats them. The vast majority of sports fans IMO are casual fans, and will only see what they read in the paper as opposed to taking the time to see what the guy is trying to do and why. Fans are going to be real tired of his act by mid season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 You guys do realize, with the starters in, we looked better than the Bucs did? I know that was only 1 series each, but while odds have it we won't be a dominant team, let's not write the team off yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 I agree with everyone else-the press.Hey JFF you remember the exact same thing was awaiting Nick Saban down here right?I mean 560 had just lost the contract to broadcast the games and they were in a foul mood Hank and Mad Dog as well as the reporters-all ready to skewer him and now? He's the great sage down here-a little winning solves alot of problems.Also, the running game has to concern us....right now anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted August 13, 2006 Author Share Posted August 13, 2006 I agree with everyone else-the press.Hey JFF you remember the exact same thing was awaiting Nick Saban down here right?I mean 560 had just lost the contract to broadcast the games and they were in a foul mood Hank and Mad Dog as well as the reporters-all ready to skewer him and now? He's the great sage down here-a little winning solves alot of problems.Also, the running game has to concern us....right now anyway Yeah, I remember that...whether it's the press or something else, I just hope the young coach can handle it...you can lose your audience (players and to a lesser degree, the fans) very quickly if they see it getting to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Um, talent. JFF those are good points. I think they are going to be horrible. If they are competitive week in and out that is obviously a good sign that the players are buying into the system and ignoring the media's agenda. Like with any rookie coach, it will be a matter if he is given time to learn and if he can correct his short comings on the go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Getting players to buy into his way of doing things and making progress each week. This is probably at best a 6-7 win team. But a big thing-it's clear he has a pass for this year, and Woody Johnson and Tannenbaum are in his corner. Neither of them expected this would get turned around in 1 season. Question I have-who becomed the "Hugh Douglas" move-dump of a prominent player because he doesn't fit the system or won't go with the flow of the Mangini program? Let's face it-Vilma and Robertson don't so far seem to be adapting to the 3-4. That could change, and Robertson has zero depth behind him. Vilma's smart and fast, but he might be better outside-again from the little we've seen. Also, in the back of Mangini's mind, I kinda think he wouldn't be heartbroken if neither Pennington or Martin plays a down. What is the point? Martin's old. Pennington's here mostly due to his cap number. Let's see what Clemens and the comitteemen can do rather than wasting time and money on players who won't be here when it turns around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajensen088 Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Not if us true Jet fans support Mangini and Tannenbaum, we buy the tickets and the television packages, jersey's etc, etc..I'll be damned if a reporter..any reporter is going to tell me what to think..I believe I'm intelligent enough to form my own opinions on the Jets and I certainly don't need assistance from "sports writers". I think it's the consensus of most posters that Tangini are doing the right things in every way so far, so be it. JETNATION ARISE!!! You sure sound like the 3% of Knick fans who thought Isiaah Thomas was doing everything right and Larry Brown is a great coach. Look what the press did to Larry Brown, a coach accesible to the media, who is a Hall of Fame coach and think what the media will do to Mangini, a failed DC with zero credentials other than being Mike Tannenbaum's best friend in the world and how he already lost the media before the first game. He's lucky Woody Johnson is as big a fool as he is. He wouldn't even have the guts to fire Jay Cross who remains the President of the NY Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted August 13, 2006 Author Share Posted August 13, 2006 You sure sound like the 3% of Knick fans who thought Isiaah Thomas was doing everything right and Larry Brown is a great coach. Look what the press did to Larry Brown, a coach accesible to the media, who is a Hall of Fame coach and think what the media will do to Mangini, a failed DC with zero credentials other than being Mike Tannenbaum's best friend in the world and how he already lost the media before the first game. He's lucky Woody Johnson is as big a fool as he is. He wouldn't even have the guts to fire Jay Cross who remains the President of the NY Jets. So, I take it you don't like Mangini... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Getting players to buy into his way of doing things and making progress each week. This is probably at best a 6-7 win team. But a big thing-it's clear he has a pass for this year, and Woody Johnson and Tannenbaum are in his corner. Neither of them expected this would get turned around in 1 season. Question I have-who becomed the "Hugh Douglas" move-dump of a prominent player because he doesn't fit the system or won't go with the flow of the Mangini program? Let's face it-Vilma and Robertson don't so far seem to be adapting to the 3-4. That could change, and Robertson has zero depth behind him. Vilma's smart and fast, but he might be better outside-again from the little we've seen. Also, in the back of Mangini's mind, I kinda think he wouldn't be heartbroken if neither Pennington or Martin plays a down. What is the point? Martin's old. Pennington's here mostly due to his cap number. Let's see what Clemens and the comitteemen can do rather than wasting time and money on players who won't be here when it turns around. good post bugg which is why a LOT of these guys that would have been around here in September under Herm WON'T be this year.It takes a couple of seasons to shake out the previous regime even WITH the turnover that we get in the NFL. YJF has another War And Peace thread over at JI about how he's bored with Chad's type of offense-I thought about throwing up a response then figured what's the use... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Dealing with the media frenzy if things go bad -they will be waiting to attack like vultures. keep the team competitive even if they are losing and not pack it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Getting players to buy into his way of doing things and making progress each week. This is probably at best a 6-7 win team. But a big thing-it's clear he has a pass for this year, and Woody Johnson and Tannenbaum are in his corner. Neither of them expected this would get turned around in 1 season. Question I have-who becomed the "Hugh Douglas" move-dump of a prominent player because he doesn't fit the system or won't go with the flow of the Mangini program? Let's face it-Vilma and Robertson don't so far seem to be adapting to the 3-4. That could change, and Robertson has zero depth behind him. Vilma's smart and fast, but he might be better outside-again from the little we've seen. Also, in the back of Mangini's mind, I kinda think he wouldn't be heartbroken if neither Pennington or Martin plays a down. What is the point? Martin's old. Pennington's here mostly due to his cap number. Let's see what Clemens and the comitteemen can do rather than wasting time and money on players who won't be here when it turns around. That Hugh Douglas thing worked out well, didn't it? Cut basically because he was "too light," that fat, under the belt bellied SOB spent the rest of the time he was here looking for another pass-rusher. Robertson CAN'T be cut or traded. He is head and shoulders the best NT on the team and he has no backups. Well, there are two guys, but I don't think either has ever played in an NFL game and if they were on any other team they'd be unlikely to. I agree that Mangini probably isn't that upset about losing Martin or Pennington. Thing is, I think he's going to miss Martin a ton. RB by committee is okay when you have decent players, but these guys are all questionable. They are three guys that slot between #2 and #3 backs in the NFL. I'd go with them this year and see how it shakes out, but it probably won't be pretty. I wouldn't start Clemens this year either. I don't think he's ready and I don't think it's good to start a guy too soon. Could screw him up, especially with this cast of characters around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 You sure sound like the 3% of Knick fans who thought Isiaah Thomas was doing everything right and Larry Brown is a great coach. Look what the press did to Larry Brown, a coach accesible to the media, who is a Hall of Fame coach and think what the media will do to Mangini, a failed DC with zero credentials other than being Mike Tannenbaum's best friend in the world and how he already lost the media before the first game. He's lucky Woody Johnson is as big a fool as he is. He wouldn't even have the guts to fire Jay Cross who remains the President of the NY Jets. There is a difference. Larry Brown did things that insured that he wouldn't win games. Constantly switched the rotation and jerked guys around. It was obvious that he was trying to get guys to buy in and failing. It also seemed that he was trying to sabotage Isiah so that he could get the players he wanted. I don't think anybody expects the Knicks to do any worse this year despite losing their HOF coach. They'll still suck, but they'll win more games. If Mangini consistently plays worse players and jerks people around I expect he'll be crucified by the media and fans. If he plays the best players and they try for him I expect him to hold up just fine during the year or two grace period he'll get while rebuilding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 That Hugh Douglas thing worked out well, didn't it? Cut basically because he was "too light," that fat, under the belt bellied SOB spent the rest of the time he was here looking for another pass-rusher. Robertson CAN'T be cut or traded. He is head and shoulders the best NT on the team and he has no backups. Well, there are two guys, but I don't think either has ever played in an NFL game and if they were on any other team they'd be unlikely to. I agree that Mangini probably isn't that upset about losing Martin or Pennington. Thing is, I think he's going to miss Martin a ton. RB by committee is okay when you have decent players, but these guys are all questionable. They are three guys that slot between #2 and #3 backs in the NFL. I'd go with them this year and see how it shakes out, but it probably won't be pretty. I wouldn't start Clemens this year either. I don't think he's ready and I don't think it's good to start a guy too soon. Could screw him up, especially with this cast of characters around him. You're right-Parcells spent the rest of his Jets tenure in search of a pass rush. Robertson's going no where and there's no depth behind him. You hope that Vilma and Roberstson are versatile enoogh that soon they fit in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 You're right-Parcells spent the rest of his Jets tenure in search of a pass rush. Robertson's going no where and there's no depth behind him. You hope that Vilma and Roberstson are versatile enoogh that soon they fit in. You and me both. I have my fingers crossed. Did Titus Adams even play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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