THe Warfish View on the "Pennington Reinjured" Rumours

[Warfish]

This is likely nothing but rumour, spurned by one local media report being spun into a national media report (i.e. Clayton and Co. "Report" it because someone, I think Cimini, reported it locally). If he is NOT hurt, it is very likely that Magini keeps him as the #1 unless Clemens or someone else vastly outplays him, making what I have to say here meaningless.

So, with that said....

....this is reason 1A why I was, I suppose, "rooting against" Chad Pennington. The risk of reinjury was laways a key component of my argument for moving on, finding another starting QB, and truly starting a "New Era" under Mangini.

As it stands, for the rest of this season, we will all have our hearts in our throats every single time Chad takes any kind of contact. The media will speculate every time that he has re-injured himself. And I guarantee Mangini and the team will also worry every time they see Chad hit that that hit could be "the one" that ends Chad. Simply put, Chad, for all his leadership skills and desire and effort, cannot inspire confidence when every hit looks like it could be his last. It cannot possably be just the fans that fear this at this point.

Reason 1B is the eternal "Must have a 30-play drive to score a TD, Dink-and-Dunk, always-try-to-gain-between-2-and-3-yards-per-play" type Offense that seems to suit Chad Pennington best. Frankly, a good number of folks ARE tired of it. It is boring, and history shows (looking at Chad's career with us) that it is NOT a very good scoring offence. And frankly, I want to see some frigging TD's at this point!

Combine 1A (Injury and Durabillity Concerns) with 1B (Weak-Arm, Limited Range, Dink-&-Dunk-Level-Abillity) and you should see why I wanted to move on this offseason. Ramsey was the guy I wanted, obviously, but if Kellen Clemens is vastly better, as much as I hate to say it, I might lean to playing him, even though he IS a rookie. I despise throwing rookie QB's "to the wolves", call it Browning Nagle Hangover if you like, but it makes me worry. But if Ramsey and Bollinger cannot compete with a rookie Kellen Clemesn, it may be the best to play Clemens.

Or at worst, throw Bolly or Ramsey out for the first 4 games, while the O-line gells and Clemens can see a few games as the #2, THEN make him (if he is still vastly better than Bolly/Ramsey) the #1, and go from there.

But I will say this.....once Chad loses the #1 job, he should lose it for us for good. MAke a clean and quick break, and do NOT look back. Being "middling" about it only serves to hurt our franchise via it's waffling unsureness. Make the move, don't look back, and lets get moving on this "New Era" now.

[SoFlaJets]

good points all fish-it's becoming clearer that this team cannot afford to rest it's hopes on a fragile QB anymore-when is this organization going to learn for God's sake anyway?I THOUGHT maybe after Vinny went down against NE on opening day 99 I'd never have to be in that same position again...come on Eric do right by us this time please-we Jets fans have had enough

[JetsMan57]

If CHad is done no need to play Clemens. Make him sit and learn for a year or sit him and play him the last 4-6 games of the year to get his feet wet. With the way things are looking we are not going to have a very good running game this year which means we will be in a lot of 2nd/3rd and long situations and teams are going to bring the house on our inexperienced OLINE. No need to put Clemens in that situation.

Make Ramsey or Bollinger take that beating this year. Speaking of Bolly he may be the better option over ramsey considering he can escape pressure a bit.

[Sperm Edwards]

This is likely nothing but rumour, spurned by one local media report being spun into a national media report (i.e. Clayton and Co. "Report" it because someone, I think Cimini, reported it locally). If he is NOT hurt, it is very likely that Magini keeps him as the #1 unless Clemens or someone else vastly outplays him, making what I have to say here meaningless.

So, with that said....

....this is reason 1A why I was, I suppose, "rooting against" Chad Pennington. The risk of reinjury was laways a key component of my argument for moving on, finding another starting QB, and truly starting a "New Era" under Mangini.

As it stands, for the rest of this season, we will all have our hearts in our throats every single time Chad takes any kind of contact. The media will speculate every time that he has re-injured himself. And I guarantee Mangini and the team will also worry every time they see Chad hit that that hit could be "the one" that ends Chad. Simply put, Chad, for all his leadership skills and desire and effort, cannot inspire confidence when every hit looks like it could be his last. It cannot possably be just the fans that fear this at this point.

Reason 1B is the eternal "Must have a 30-play drive to score a TD, Dink-and-Dunk, always-try-to-gain-between-2-and-3-yards-per-play" type Offense that seems to suit Chad Pennington best. Frankly, a good number of folks ARE tired of it. It is boring, and history shows (looking at Chad's career with us) that it is NOT a very good scoring offence. And frankly, I want to see some frigging TD's at this point!

Combine 1A (Injury and Durabillity Concerns) with 1B (Weak-Arm, Limited Range, Dink-&-Dunk-Level-Abillity) and you should see why I wanted to move on this offseason. Ramsey was the guy I wanted, obviously, but if Kellen Clemens is vastly better, as much as I hate to say it, I might lean to playing him, even though he IS a rookie. I despise throwing rookie QB's "to the wolves", call it Browning Nagle Hangover if you like, but it makes me worry. But if Ramsey and Bollinger cannot compete with a rookie Kellen Clemesn, it may be the best to play Clemens.

Or at worst, throw Bolly or Ramsey out for the first 4 games, while the O-line gells and Clemens can see a few games as the #2, THEN make him (if he is still vastly better than Bolly/Ramsey) the #1, and go from there.

But I will say this.....once Chad loses the #1 job, he should lose it for us for good. MAke a clean and quick break, and do NOT look back. Being "middling" about it only serves to hurt our franchise via it's waffling unsureness. Make the move, don't look back, and lets get moving on this "New Era" now.

What a perfect way of putting it all in 1 post.

[#27TheDominator]

Do you guys think you could wait to see if he's actually hurt before you cut him? He hasn't missed a practice yet as far as I know.

[Sperm Edwards]

Having to live in fear of career-ending (read: Jets season-ending) injury from some routine tackle is ridiculous. And if he doesn't get hurt, his sissy arm prevents aggressive playcalling even when it's needed.

If his cap hit was $1m or less then there's no harm in keeping him around. But it isn't. So I say:

Get him medical clearance to play. Then get him off the team. Now.

[#27TheDominator]

Having to live in fear of career-ending (read: Jets season-ending) injury from some routine tackle is ridiculous. And if he doesn't get hurt, his sissy arm prevents aggressive playcalling even when it's needed.

If his cap hit was $1m or less then there's no harm in keeping him around. But it isn't. So I say:

Get him medical clearance to play. Then get him off the team. Now.

Why do you "live in fear?" Could it be because we don't have another decent quarterback that's prepared to play the game? Just let the guy play. When he gets hurt, he gets hurt. Then play somebody else. Why rush matters?

[Sperm Edwards]

Those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it.

[RSJ]

Those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it.

"...and the truth shall set you free."

[BwanaZulia]

So the reports are in and Chad is making throws in TC again.

Can we all just chill out now?

BZ

[#27TheDominator]

Those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it.

You still haven't explained what I'm repeating. You don't want him to start because you live in mortal fear of an injury which would be "season ending" for the Jets. You solution? End the season now by starting one of the stiffs that would go in the game if he suffers the injury you see as inevitable. Makes no sense to me. If you're afraid that Chad will get hurt, then you are afraid that Ramsey, or Brooks or Clemens will have to enter the game. By cutting Chad now you are making all your fears a reality.

Those who cut their best QB are destined to suck.

Even worse than they will with him.

[Sperm Edwards]

You still haven't explained what I'm repeating. You don't want him to start because you live in mortal fear of an injury which would be "season ending" for the Jets. You solution? End the season now by starting one of the stiffs that would go in the game if he suffers the injury you see as inevitable. Makes no sense to me. If you're afraid that Chad will get hurt, then you are afraid that Ramsey, or Brooks or Clemens will have to enter the game. By cutting Chad now you are making all your fears a reality.

Those who cut their best QB are destined to suck.

Even worse than they will with him.

The point is that unlike just about every other QB in the league, Chad is so much more likely to get injured than to play a full season. If he does, by some miracle, it adds $6M to the 2007 cap plus the $3M hit from his signing bonus and the $3M roster bonus AND whatever his regular salary is.

And even when he's in there, he does not have an NFL arm. Pennington makes the Jets easy to defend. As though he was the cure-all for a losing football team. Who cares if we end up 5-11 or 7-9?

[Warfish]

Do you guys think you could wait to see if he's actually hurt before you cut him? He hasn't missed a practice yet as far as I know.

So the reports are in and Chad is making throws in TC again.

Can we all just chill out now?

BZ

Hence why the thread STARTED with....

This is likely nothing but rumour, spurned by one local media report being spun into a national media report (i.e. Clayton and Co. "Report" it because someone, I think Cimini, reported it locally). If he is NOT hurt, it is very likely that Magini keeps him as the #1 unless Clemens or someone else vastly outplays him, making what I have to say here meaningless.

So, with that said....

[#27TheDominator]

The point is that unlike just about every other QB in the league, Chad is so much more likely to get injured than to play a full season. If he does, by some miracle, it adds $6M to the 2007 cap plus the $3M hit from his signing bonus and the $3M roster bonus AND whatever his regular salary is.

And even when he's in there, he does not have an NFL arm. Pennington makes the Jets easy to defend. As though he was the cure-all for a losing football team. Who cares if we end up 5-11 or 7-9?

So what you're saying is that you're afraid that he won't get hurt and they'll have to pay him? I don't understand.

It's not just a matter of ending up 5-11 or 7-9. It's a matter of executing the plays. Running the offense properly so that the rest of the team isn't lost. There is good reason to believe that neither Clemens or Ramsey is currently capable of doing that. Not to mention the pressure it will put on the defense to lose the ball control. It's probably more like the difference between 5-11 and 2-14. NFL arm or not, the other guys are worse. PERIOD. When they are better they should start.

[LionelRichie]

the best thing the jets can do is keep putting pennington on the field during preseason and see if he can:

1. make all of the NFL throws. no more babying him, if he can't throw deep outs, posts, and fades then he cannot be a successful nfl qb and it is time for the org to move on.

2. can take a hit. it does the jets no good to have a qb made of glass.

if chad shows during the preseason that he in incapable of BOTH of the above than it is time to either put him on IR, pay him for the season and move on. or, cut him prior to openning day and turn the team over to clemens.

[bitonti]

you know what i don't understand?

why great posters like Warfish and YJF are writing war and peace on the Chad Pennington issue

practically first thing Tangini did was break Chad down to a one year deal - then they use a 2nd round pick on Clemens

the writing is all over the wall Jets fans

it won't be surprising when Clemens plays

what will be surprising is if Pennington can pull a "drew brees" and hang on for an extra year

[Sperm Edwards]

the best thing the jets can do is keep putting pennington on the field during preseason and see if he can:

1. make all of the NFL throws. no more babying him, if he can't throw deep outs, posts, and fades then he cannot be a successful nfl qb and it is time for the org to move on.

2. can take a hit. it does the jets no good to have a qb made of glass.

if chad shows during the preseason that he in incapable of BOTH of the above than it is time to either put him on IR, pay him for the season and move on. or, cut him prior to openning day and turn the team over to clemens.

A great idea if we can do that. But I'm fairly certain that we can't cut a guy hurt enough to warrant moving to IR. If he does, I suppose that's still the best thing to do at this point. Cut him prior to March 1st & he'd be a $9M hit for '07.

[GimmeShelter]

you know what i don't understand?

why great posters like Warfish and YJF are writing war and peace on the Chad Pennington issue

practically first thing Tangini did was break Chad down to a one year deal - then they use a 2nd round pick on Clemens

the writing is all over the wall Jets fans

it won't be surprising when Clemens plays

what will be surprising is if Pennington can pull a "drew brees" and hang on for an extra year

Add that to the fact that we were rumored to have tried to trade back into the first round when we saw that Leinart was still available.

This rush to be the "I told you so first guy" on Pennington is boring.

Best case scenario for the Jets this year is that Clemens (from the bench) learns from Pennington.

[Bugg]

you know what i don't understand?

why great posters like Warfish and YJF are writing war and peace on the Chad Pennington issue

practically first thing Tangini did was break Chad down to a one year deal - then they use a 2nd round pick on Clemens

the writing is all over the wall Jets fans

it won't be surprising when Clemens plays

what will be surprising is if Pennington can pull a "drew brees" and hang on for an extra year

True. Mangini and Tannebaum( I hate "Tangini"!)don't expect much from Pennington, and probably not much from Martin either. Above all, this season is going to be a rough ride. Let Pennington take his lumps, lets' see among the three-headed RB we have a player or 2, and get Clemens in there sometime in midseason.

[#27TheDominator]

On JI, they say Sirus radio is reporting that Chad is throwing without restriction on the sideline and appears ready to practice. Also, Mangini reiterated that Chad was fine.

[faba]

All good points by Warfish- even if healthy teams will have no respect for our passing game with Chad in there- load up and play close to the line of scrimmage. You can not win trying to move at 3 or 4 yards at a clip- too much room for error- you have to be perfect to score to go 80 yards like that

[Warfish]

you know what i don't understand?

why great posters like Warfish and YJF are writing war and peace on the Chad Pennington issue

practically first thing Tangini did was break Chad down to a one year deal - then they use a 2nd round pick on Clemens

the writing is all over the wall Jets fans

it won't be surprising when Clemens plays

what will be surprising is if Pennington can pull a "drew brees" and hang on for an extra year

First, thanks for saying I am a great poster. From someone such as yourself, I appreciate that, even if that wasn't really your point.

Second, I must explain something......when I post my longer "War & Peace" threads, I really write whatever comes to mind at that moment. I never come onto the board pre-planned or with some agenda or some such. I am on the boards so much, and post so often, these longer pieces kinda just come when they come, and their subject could be anything Jets (or at times Politics) related. I do tend to post a "game review" thread from time to time (certainly not every game though) since some seem to enjoy them and it lets me vent what I've seen and see if others saw the same things.

In this case, I agree, the writing WAS on the wall with the aquisition of Patrick Ramsey and the drafting of Kellen Clemens. That writing said "Chad, we do not have faith in you, we must plan for a time without you as our starter, good luck and prove us wrong if you can". But the future is NEVER set in stone in the NFL, and while it may be passe to talk of Chad's future, it IS still the biggest issue in Jets land. And if I recall, I do believe I've seen you post on JI that you felt Chad would be fine and play well, but who knows maybe it wasn't you......

In any event, maybe it is a done deal, and Clemens is our man come week 4, week 8 or whebever this year, or next year. But till that change happeneds, and till Chad is no longer our #1 QB as he is today, he is worthy IMO of discussion. After all, we can only have so many threads dedicated to how much of a bust D-Rob truly is, and how absolutely unsuited to the 3-4 NT position he really is. Right Bit? Lol.

[mr nyjet]

So the reports are in and Chad is making throws in TC again.

Can we all just chill out now?

BZ

even you could make throws in a no-contact scrimmage.

take a hit and then see if you're still in one piece, let alone able to throw the outs and the deep passes without rainbowing the ball.

[mr nyjet]

If CHad is done no need to play Clemens. Make him sit and learn for a year or sit him and play him the last 4-6 games of the year to get his feet wet. With the way things are looking we are not going to have a very good running game this year which means we will be in a lot of 2nd/3rd and long situations and teams are going to bring the house on our inexperienced OLINE. No need to put Clemens in that situation.

Make Ramsey or Bollinger take that beating this year. Speaking of Bolly he may be the better option over ramsey considering he can escape pressure a bit.

i've said it all offseason- start bolly until the line jells and clemmins is ready.

then , keep bolly as the #2. he certainly is better than chad, and ramsey should not be kept if he can't perform. they can always use brad smith as the #3.

[Maxman]

I admire how Warfish refers to himself in the Bo Jackson tense. It is not easy to pull off. Many people try but in some weird way, it works for Warfish.