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[SoFlaJets]

JETS IN A CHADDY MOOD

By GEORGE WILLIS

October 29, 2006 -- CLEVELAND - There is one reason to be opti mistic about the Jets this season. One reason why you won't be considered insane for thinking they could make the playoffs. That reason isn't strength of schedule or rookie coach Eric Mangini. It's Chad Pennington.

Look around the NFL landscape. There are a number of teams trying to play through some sort of adversity at their quarterback position. We all know Drew Bledsoe has been benched in Dallas for Tony Romo. But what about the mess in Miami where Daunte Culpepper was a failure and now Joey Harrington, a bust in Detroit, is the starter? Furthermore, backups Charlie Batch (Steelers), Damon Huard (Chiefs), Seneca Wallace (Seahawks), Bruce Gradkowski (Bucs), Andrew Walter (Raiders) and Kyle Boller (Ravens) have all been pressed into action because of injuries. Instability at quarterback has always been a prescription for failure.

Mangini and the Jets don't have such headaches, thanks to the terrific comeback Chad Pennington has made from two shoulder surgeries that cost him much of last season. None of us knew what to expect from Pennington; we figured he'd have a popgun arm, couldn't the throw the deep ball and the Jets' offense would be largely one-dimensional.

So much for the pessimism. Seven games into his Comeback Player of the Year season, Pennington has been inspiring. His quarterback rating (91.3) ranks 11th in the league, highlighted by a 65.8 pass-completion percentage. But it's not all about the stats. It's more about the leadership he has displayed, especially on the field. There's no better example of that than when the Jets utilize their version of the no-huddle offense, something they'll use to exploit an underrated Browns defense today at Cleveland Browns Stadium.

"He's like having another coach out there," WR Justin McCareins said. "The coaches trust him enough to make decisions based on what he sees and [to] not need approval from the coaches on the sidelines. He can basically take us in a lot of different directions on any given play. He does a good job managing us and does a good job of making sure we make adjustments on anything we might see."

The no-huddle has become a weapon for the Jets, only because Pennington has the genius to make it work. Quick reads, quick decisions, quick calls, and quick adjustments. It all starts with the quarterback. Peyton Manning in green.

"Sometimes you sit back there and marvel at how efficient Chad has been in managing it," guard Pete Kendall said.

Pennington won't say, "I told you so." But you can tell he is taking pride in being the Jets' leader again. The quarterback controversy back in training camp seems like a foolish exercise now.

"I take pride in being able to manage a game effectively because what that means to me is that you understand how to win the game," Pennington said. "I've tried to take pride in managing the game and producing wins, and that's what we are trying to do."

Without Pennington, the Jets might as well forfeit the season. We saw what happened last year. It was a disaster. The upside is the last-place schedule where if Pennington stays healthy, the Jets should be in the playoff hunt come December. Being the smart quarterback, Pennington is only focused on the Browns.

"It's too early in the season to get too confident about the possibilities," he said. "Nine games left, a lot of big-time games coming up. We've got to keep the same approach week in and week out."

As long as Pennington is healthy, the Jets have a chance. At least for now, Mangini doesn't have to worry about his quarterback. A lot of NFL coaches aren't so fortunate.

george.willis@nypost.com

[SoFlaJets]

But it's not all about the stats. It's more about the leadership he has displayed, especially on the field. There's no better example of that than when the Jets utilize their version of the no-huddle offense, something they'll use to exploit an underrated Browns defense today at Cleveland Browns Stadium.

"He's like having another coach out there," WR Justin McCareins said. "The coaches trust him enough to make decisions based on what he sees and [to] not need approval from the coaches on the sidelines. He can basically take us in a lot of different directions on any given play. He does a good job managing us and does a good job of making sure we make adjustments on anything we might see."

this is what the stat monkeys refuse to look at when dicussions about Chad are beat into the ground with the same tired one or two points are always brought up...we always seem to have a shot at winning with him as our QB

[afosomf]

when i see Penne manage a game vs a good to great team and come away with a W, then he will have my allegiance

Beating up the "Bells of St mary" and the Sister Ellonnita's of the world does mean a whole lot. I know you play who is on your schedule but he is 0-2 against 2 good defensive teams . Sh*t if Penne plays well vs da bears and still

loses i would feel a whole lot better. Seems like he plays like crap on a stick

vs good teams and is always part of the problem in those games.

Until then he is a JAG and is warming up the bus for Clemmons

[SoFlaJets]

when i see Penne manage a game vs a good to great team and come away with a W, then he will have my allegiance

Beating up the "Bells of St mary" and the Sister Ellonnita's of the world does mean a whole lot. I know you play who is on your schedule but he is 0-2 against 2 good defensive teams . Sh*t if Penne plays well vs da bears and still

loses i would feel a whole lot better. Seems like he plays like crap on a stick

vs good teams and is always part of the problem in those games.

Until then he is a JAG and is warming up the bus for Clemmons

Chad played well enough to beat Indy and better than Brady when we played them-if our defense would have been able to stop the opposing QB's we might not have to hear this same tired nonsense-Chad didn't LOSE those games our defense lost those games

[afosomf]

Chad played well enough to beat Indy and better than Brady when we played them-if our defense would have been able to stop the opposing QB's we might not have to hear this same tired nonsense-Chad didn't LOSE those games our defense lost those games

earth to hurricane alley, the Ponies are not what you call a good defensive team

Vince Young a rook almost beat the overrated Donkeys in Indy no less

[Biggs]

Chad played well enough to beat Indy and better than Brady when we played them-if our defense would have been able to stop the opposing QB's we might not have to hear this same tired nonsense-Chad didn't LOSE those games our defense lost those games

Disagree with you on both counts. In the Pats game the key for the Jets at home was getting off quickly they did and we didn't game over. Against Indy both Chad and Manning make the call at the line and have total freedom to make changes. In the key drive Chad blew up, Manning put it in the end zone.

Chad has been great this year but primarily against very weak defenses. The Patriot game was basically over before Chad put a point on the board.

[afosomf]

Disagree with you on both counts. In the Pats game the key for the Jets at home was getting off quickly they did and we didn't game over. Against Indy both Chad and Manning make the call at the line and have total freedom to make changes. In the key drive Chad blew up, Manning put it in the end zone.

Chad has been great this year but primarily against very weak defenses. The Patriot game was basically over before Chad put a point on the board.

A voice of reason:yahoo:

The jury is still out on Chad

[PatsFanTX]

when i see Penne manage a game vs a good to great team and come away with a W, then he will have my allegiance

Beating up the "Bells of St mary" and the Sister Ellonnita's of the world does mean a whole lot. I know you play who is on your schedule but he is 0-2 against 2 good defensive teams . Sh*t if Penne plays well vs da bears and still

loses i would feel a whole lot better. Seems like he plays like crap on a stick

vs good teams and is always part of the problem in those games.

Until then he is a JAG and is warming up the bus for Clemmons

Exactly.

Watch it assmop, SoFla will say you are not a "real" Jets fan because you are being negative.

[Preston Howley III]

It simply amazes me how QB Chad Pennington can be incessently hammered by a cadre of Jets fans, and yet, let somebody give the same business to say, Curtis Martin, and it's like they just pissed on sacred ground.

Who has done more for this franchise in the past 5 seasons than Chad Pennington? Even the most fundementalist Herm Apologist (after Raisenbran088), Tinstar, stated that Herm's success, or lack thereof, was conducive on the health of Chad Pennington.

When Pennington plays, the Jets win. You guys who want to bash this guy, over and over, because "he's never beaten any good teams" need to get a clue-

The NFL has more bad teams, than good teams. The schedule is always going to have more bad opponents than good ones. But more important than that, take all the good teams that the Jets have played and lost too, when Chad was in at QB, and then go and look at their total wins for that season and who else lost to those teams.

You can say the same exact thing about those QB's.

Saying "Chad Pennington can't beat good teams (or teams with a winning percentage)" is just as stupid as saying "Peyton Manning can't beat good teams (or teams with a winning percentage)".

Go look at Chads win/losses in the playoffs and compare them to Peyton Mannings. Chads stats are better. Oh yeah, in a head to head matchup in the playoffs in '02, Chad not only outdueled glory boy Manning, the Jets slaughtered the Colts.

Chad took a pay cut, humbled himself and graciously won an open competition for the starting QB spot on this team. The only time this guy has ever made a faux pas was when he berated the media about "how it's a privilege to cover the team". Other than that (which really wasn't even a big deal on its own but when you compare it to some of the other nonsense that goes on ever day in the NFL, it's pathetic that anybody with an agenda against this guy would want to put a spotlight on it), Chad has been a standup guy, and a winner since being here. More than anybody else.

[TaborJet]

when i see Penne manage a game vs a good to great team and come away with a W, then he will have my allegiance

Beating up the "Bells of St mary" and the Sister Ellonnita's of the world does mean a whole lot. I know you play who is on your schedule but he is 0-2 against 2 good defensive teams . Sh*t if Penne plays well vs da bears and still

loses i would feel a whole lot better. Seems like he plays like crap on a stick

vs good teams and is always part of the problem in those games.

Until then he is a JAG and is warming up the bus for Clemmons

I wouldn't say he is warming up the bus for Clemens anymore. I like how the handcuffs came off now that Mangini is here. Chad just needs more horses.

[PatsFanTX]

Chad played well enough to beat Indy and better than Brady when we played them

How the hell can you make a ridiculous comment like that?

PennyBoy led the Jets offense to 0 points midway through the 3rd period and then two fluke plays changed the game.

He did no have one long, sustaining drive that day where he made key 3rd down conversions.

Did you see Brady's 9:00 minute drive (where he hit key 3rd down conversions of 7, 11 and 9 yards) at the end of the game to wrap up a Pats win?

That's what real QB's do. Not put up big passing numbers in garbage time when the game is already over.

[Sperm Edwards]

Disagree with you on both counts. In the Pats game the key for the Jets at home was getting off quickly they did and we didn't game over. Against Indy both Chad and Manning make the call at the line and have total freedom to make changes. In the key drive Chad blew up, Manning put it in the end zone.

Chad has been great this year but primarily against very weak defenses. The Patriot game was basically over before Chad put a point on the board.

What kept us in the Indy game was two freak plays on special teams (the onside kick in the 1st half and Millers KO return). Where we had the chance to either (a) put it away, or ( pin Indy deep in their own territory, Chad decided to throw his first-ever red-zone INT from like Indy's 5, forcing a bad pass into triple-coverage to a long-snapper.

And if he played so hot vs NE, they wouldn't have gotten out to a 24-0 lead. Can't blame him for the defense, but we punted on all of our first-half possessions. All of them from mid-field.

3-4-NYJ46 (11:44) C.Pennington pass incomplete short left to L.Coles. (punt)

3-2-NE47 (2:28) (No Huddle) C.Pennington pass incomplete short left to J.Cotchery (R.Seymour). (punt)

3-4-NE46 (9:07) (No Huddle, Shotgun) C.Pennington pass incomplete short left to L.Coles. (punt)

3-2-NE46 (3:31) (No Huddle) C.Pennington pass incomplete short right to B.Askew. (punt)

The two scores - I give Chad credit for getting the ball in a position for a play to be made, but the touchdown parts were all Coles/Cotchery.

He still checks down to the dump-off's too much against decent defenses, requiring us to continue to convert multiple, successive 3rd-downs unless a freak-play occurs.

I'm very pleased with the season so far, considering where we came from. And anyone who isn't impressed with him coming back from two shoulder surgeries is just saying so. But the teams that Chad has done well against are the very teams that all QB's generally rely on to boost their own QB ratings. Otherwise all but the top handfull of QB's would have ratings in the 50-60 range.

[afosomf]

It simply amazes me how QB Chad Pennington can be incessently hammered by a cadre of Jets fans, and yet, let somebody give the same business to say, Curtis Martin, and it's like they just pissed on sacred ground.

Who has done more for this franchise in the past 5 seasons than Chad Pennington? Even the most fundementalist Herm Apologist (after Raisenbran088), Tinstar, stated that Herm's success, or lack thereof, was conducive on the health of Chad Pennington.

When Pennington plays, the Jets win. You guys who want to bash this guy, over and over, because "he's never beaten any good teams" need to get a clue-

The NFL has more bad teams, than good teams. The schedule is always going to have more bad opponents than good ones. But more important than that, take all the good teams that the Jets have played and lost too, when Chad was in at QB, and then go and look at their total wins for that season and who else lost to those teams.

You can say the same exact thing about those QB's.

Saying "Chad Pennington can't beat good teams (or teams with a winning percentage)" is just as stupid as saying "Peyton Manning can't beat good teams (or teams with a winning percentage)".

Go look at Chads win/losses in the playoffs and compare them to Peyton Mannings. Chads stats are better. Oh yeah, in a head to head matchup in the playoffs in '02, Chad not only outdueled glory boy Manning, the Jets slaughtered the Colts.

Chad took a pay cut, humbled himself and graciously won an open competition for the starting QB spot on this team. The only time this guy has ever made a faux pas was when he berated the media about "how it's a privilege to cover the team". Other than that (which really wasn't even a big deal on its own but when you compare it to some of the other nonsense that goes on ever day in the NFL, it's pathetic that anybody with an agenda against this guy would want to put a spotlight on it), Chad has been a standup guy, and a winner since being here. More than anybody else.

No one is questioning whether or not Chad is a stand up guy, a great guy,

a family man......

this is a F'n business, i do not believe he has the physical tools anymore, to lead us to the dance. The dance is where we want to go i presume... If not

then you should be happy cause chad can beat the bottom feeders and get you 9 or ten wins with a good supporting cast. he cannot go further as teams

that have a chance to go to "prom" have great D's which stifle his pathetic arm.

Does this make me a bad fan? I think Mangini has done a great job. in fact he will get coach of the year if he wins 9 or 10 games.

i was around when JWN led this team, he was a great QB, can you honestly

say that Chad is close to him?

[PFSIKH]

There's no better example of that than when the Jets utilize their version of the no-huddle offense, something they'll use to exploit an underrated Browns defense today at Cleveland Browns Stadium.

The 22nd in yards and 17th in points underrated defense?

Willis has swallowed something I am not sure it is kool-aid though. Has there ever been a bigger puff piece in the history of jurnalism?

There is one reason to be optimistic about the Jets this season. One reason why you won't be considered insane for thinking they could make the playoffs. That reason isn't strength of schedule or rookie coach Eric Mangini. It's Chad Pennington.

I guess it is all Chad and has nothing to do with the above or Leon Washington or his wideouts.

[Preston Howley III]

No one is questioning whether or not Chad is a stand up guy, a great guy,

a family man......

this is a F'n business, i do not believe he has the physical tools anymore, to lead us to the dance. The dance is where we want to go i presume... If not

then you should be happy cause chad can beat the bottom feeders and get you 9 or ten wins with a good supporting cast. he cannot go further as teams

that have a chance to go to "prom" have great D's which stifle his pathetic arm.

Does this make me a bad fan? I think Mangini has done a great job. in fact he will get coach of the year if he wins 9 or 10 games.

i was around when JWN led this team, he was a great QB, can you honestly

say that Chad is close to him?

Oh please, A good supporting cast???

Are you on drugs???

Joe Willie Namath???

I don't even know where to begin. OK, let's start here:

2006 TC was a clean slate. Everybody had to compete for their job. Chad won the job. The team is 4-3. We got a new HC who is making pro-bowl candidates out of guys who were bench warmers last year and the year before that.

"Chad can't win the big one". Yeah ok, neither can Peyton Manning.

Your turn, sport.

[GimmeShelter]

It simply amazes me how QB Chad Pennington can be incessently hammered by a cadre of Jets fans, and yet, let somebody give the same business to say, Curtis Martin, and it's like they just pissed on sacred ground.

Who has done more for this franchise in the past 5 seasons than Chad Pennington? Even the most fundementalist Herm Apologist (after Raisenbran088), Tinstar, stated that Herm's success, or lack thereof, was conducive on the health of Chad Pennington.

When Pennington plays, the Jets win. You guys who want to bash this guy, over and over, because "he's never beaten any good teams" need to get a clue-

The NFL has more bad teams, than good teams. The schedule is always going to have more bad opponents than good ones. But more important than that, take all the good teams that the Jets have played and lost too, when Chad was in at QB, and then go and look at their total wins for that season and who else lost to those teams.

You can say the same exact thing about those QB's.

Saying "Chad Pennington can't beat good teams (or teams with a winning percentage)" is just as stupid as saying "Peyton Manning can't beat good teams (or teams with a winning percentage)".

Go look at Chads win/losses in the playoffs and compare them to Peyton Mannings. Chads stats are better. Oh yeah, in a head to head matchup in the playoffs in '02, Chad not only outdueled glory boy Manning, the Jets slaughtered the Colts.

Chad took a pay cut, humbled himself and graciously won an open competition for the starting QB spot on this team. The only time this guy has ever made a faux pas was when he berated the media about "how it's a privilege to cover the team". Other than that (which really wasn't even a big deal on its own but when you compare it to some of the other nonsense that goes on ever day in the NFL, it's pathetic that anybody with an agenda against this guy would want to put a spotlight on it), Chad has been a standup guy, and a winner since being here. More than anybody else.

Very well said Moses and to be honest TX and ASSMOP are indeed stupid.

Not a positive word can be spoken or written about #10 without TX feeling like it's his duty to have a full fledged anti-Pennington masturbation session.

The sad part is he feels that makes him a celebrity.

[afosomf]

The supporting cast is not Stellar this year, though Coles is having an all pro year and Cotch is very good

Until the jets have a knockout D, he will never win the big one!

This year's record is due to weaker than normal schedule and we have a coach for once that knows what a gameplan is and knows how to make 1/2 time adjustments for once

Having Chad beat a rook is no great feat, i will be disapointed if Clemens cannot beat him out next year.

The AFC Least is worst division in NFL, that's the way it is....

[PatsFanTX]

Very well said Moses and to be honest TX and ASSMOP are indeed stupid.

Why? Because we point out the fact that PennyBoy NEVER plays well against a good defensive team?

[GimmeShelter]

The supporting cast is not Stellar this year, though Coles is having an all pro year and Cotch is very good

Until the jets have a knockout D, he will never win the big one!

This year's record is due to weaker than normal schedule and we have a coach for once that knows what a gameplan is and knows how to make 1/2 time adjustments for once

Having Chad beat a rook is no great feat, i will be disapointed if Clemens cannot beat him out next year.

The AFC Least is worst division in NFL, that's the way it is....

Do you honestly think Clemens can beat out Pennington though?

If so, based on what?

[Sperm Edwards]

I don't think Chad is the end-all of NFL QB's. But c'mon - the guy was saddled with Herm Edwards until this year & it's not like the Jets defense is always giving him favorable field position this year either. Exactly how many superbowls does any Pats fan truly think Brady would've won if he got drafted by the Herm Edwards Jets instead of the Bill Belichick Pats?

[PatsFanTX]

Do you honestly think Clemens can beat out Pennington though?

If so, based on what?

A real NFL right arm.

Watch PennyBoy's wounded ducks today in that 30 MPH wind.

It will be embarrassing.

[afosomf]

God i hope so if Clemmons can't beat him out then we are all in trouble, BTW it is AFo to you................

It is very hard to Dilfer your way to a SB!!!!!!!!!

My goal is to win another SB, if it takes another 37 years only ray ray will be

alive to celebrate it

[TaborJet]

AFO

I like your angles in this thread, but if you keep saying Clemmons instead of Clemens, I may join the Assmop bandwagon!

[afosomf]

I don't think Chad is the end-all of NFL QB's. But c'mon - the guy was saddled with Herm Edwards until this year & it's not like the Jets defense is always giving him favorable field position this year either. Exactly how many superbowls does any Pats fan truly think Brady would've won if he got drafted by the Herm Edwards Jets instead of the Bill Belichick Pats?

Any QB with Herm couldn't win the big one, include Montana, elway,young...JWN

My problem with Chad is his physical tools, if he proves me wrong and wins SB

in next 3 years, i will be the first one to apologize. I do not believe it is possible, the Good teams have fast D's which swallow up his floaters du jour

[afosomf]

AFO

I like your angles in this thread, but if you keep saying Clemmons instead of Clemens, I may join the Assmop bandwagon!

kan't spel a lic

[PatsFanTX]

the Good teams have fast D's which swallow up his floaters du jour

PennyBoy throws floaters?

[Preston Howley III]

Until the jets have a knockout D, he will never win the big one!

And yet, the Jets are 4-3 with a pure sht defense. But they would be 6-1 if they drafted Leinfart, I guess.

Hey look, I'm not going to continue to argue with a guy who's nickname is "A$smop". I'm just not.

[GimmeShelter]

take all the good teams that the Jets have played and lost too, when Chad was in at QB, and then go and look at their total wins for that season and who else lost to those teams.

You can say the same exact thing about those QB's.

JetMoses gets it.

[Preston Howley III]

Very well said Moses and to be honest TX and ASSMOP are indeed stupid.

Not a positive word can be spoken or written about #10 without TX feeling like it's his duty to have a full fledged anti-Pennington masturbation session.

The sad part is he feels that makes him a celebrity.

Tex and @ssmop...

[afosomf]

And yet, the Jets are 4-3 with a pure sht defense. But they would be 6-1 if they drafted Leinfart, I guess.

Hey look, I'm not going to continue to argue with a guy who's nickname is "A$smop". I'm just not.

And Moses will lead you to the promise land!!!!

Leinfart will win a SB b4 Penne ever does... bank on it

[SoFlaJets]

earth to hurricane alley, the Ponies are not what you call a good defensive team

Vince Young a rook almost beat the overrated Donkeys in Indy no less

earth to assmop-I was talking about Chad Pennington not the defense-I can friggin see ya know-I have seen what this defense can't do

[afosomf]

earth to assmop-I was talking about Chad Pennington not the defense-I can friggin see ya know-I have seen what this defense can't do

Hello chad has proven he can beat crappy D's this is not new news!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SoFlaJets]

Hello chad has proven he can beat crappy D's this is not new news!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey look, I'm not going to continue to argue with a guy who's nickname is "A$smop". I'm just not.

[Preston Howley III]

Leinfart will win a SB b4 Penne ever does... bank on it

Yeah, he's off to a real illustrious start:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7759

Leinfart's stats are PATHETIC.

[Preston Howley III]

Hey look, I'm not going to continue to argue with a guy who's nickname is "A$smop". I'm just not.

This is too easy!