Barton Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Quinn is overrated. He turns to mush, becomes scared and misses open WRs when a passrush gets in his face. Brohm is better than Quinn, and Drew Stanton is just as good, and much tougher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetCane Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Quinn is having a nice season, and is currently ranked 8th in passing nationwide. But suggesting that we should want the jets to lose all their remaining games to draft him is imbecilic. You still havent explained the basis of your conclusion that Clemens "sucks", and I think it's prolly just b/c you want Quinn, which is really not a good basis for your conclusion. That said, who knows who the f.o. will draft this year, and their third round choices last year leave a lot to be desired. They have shown they are sometimes smart, but far from brilliant. They did pluck Leon with the fourth pick, and solidified the OL with the first two picks (btw I think mangold has been having an outstanding year- it's not easy to be a rookie center). If Quinn fell into their laps, they'd be foolish to pass him up, but wanting the team to tank the rest of the season to get him is just dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Charlie Weiss, the same offensive genius that developed Tom Brady, has molded Quinn and if you watch college football you'd realize that Quinn, even if his team isn't that great, is himself as good as the hype. Hey if people actually listened to you guys they'd think no good QB's ever came out of the 1st round of the NFL draft and that its easier than Paris Hilton to find a Brady-like superstar in the 6th round. And if people listened to you, we'd be either the Detroit Lions or the Arizona Cardinals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNorth09 Posted October 31, 2006 Author Share Posted October 31, 2006 Quinn is overrated. He turns to mush, becomes scared and misses open WRs when a passrush gets in his face. Brohm is better than Quinn, and Drew Stanton is just as good, and much tougher. Barton I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you don't watch college football. Did you see the Notre Dame -Michigan St. game? For those of you that do not know, Drew Stanton plays for Mich St. and Quinn for ND. Michigan St was up by how many points and Quinn still rallied back and won the game? How did Stanton end that game? With a pick? Not entirely sure but I remember Stanton having a chance to win the game on the final drive and blowing it. But hey, Stanton did manage to follow up that comeback against powerhouse Northwestern by laying an egg against Indiana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Barton I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you don't watch college football. Did you see the Notre Dame -Michigan St. game? For those of you that do not know, Drew Stanton plays for Mich St. and Quinn for ND. Michigan St was up by how many points and Quinn still rallied back and won the game? How did Stanton end that game? With a pick? Not entirely sure but I remember Stanton having a chance to win the game on the final drive and blowing it. But hey, Stanton did manage to follow up that comeback against powerhouse Northwestern by laying an egg against Indiana. Dude, it's college football! There are a long string of QBs that did great in college and never panned out in the pros. There are also a lot of players that exceeded expectations in the pros based on their college performances. It's retarded to tank the season for such a gamble! We might already have our franchise QB, he's supposed to be as good as Cutler, Leinart and Young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.I.MikeBleedsGreen Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Dude, it's college football! There are a long string of QBs that did great in college and never panned out in the pros. There are also a lot of players that exceeded expectations in the pros based on their college performances. It's retarded to tank the season for such a gamble! We might already have our franchise QB, he's supposed to be as good as Cutler, Leinart and Young. Easy, lets not get Crazy around here. Go sell crazy somewhere else we are all stocked in here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNorth09 Posted October 31, 2006 Author Share Posted October 31, 2006 They did pluck Leon with the fourth pick, and solidified the OL with the first two picks (btw I think mangold has been having an outstanding year- it's not easy to be a rookie center). Can we take it easy with Leon Washington? The guy had two good games, one in mop up time against the Jags' second string defense and the other against a Detroit Lions defense that sucks and was missing its best player, run stuffer Shaun Rogers. Funny how Pennington gets killed for his play against the Browns defense but Leon Washington can get away with averaging about 3 yards a carry against a bad run defense. He can be a good 3rd down back and a return guy but not much more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Can we take it easy with Leon Washington? The guy had two good games, one in mop up time against the Jags' second string defense and the other against a Detroit Lions defense that sucks and was missing its best player, run stuffer Shaun Rogers. Funny how Pennington gets killed for his play against the Browns defense but Leon Washington can get away with averaging about 3 yards a carry against a bad run defense. He can be a good 3rd down back and a return guy but not much more. You were ready to induct Matt Leinart into the HoF after two mediocre games which he lost. Actually, you had him as MVP before the season even began, so I guess after 2 games he made huge strides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNorth09 Posted October 31, 2006 Author Share Posted October 31, 2006 You were ready to induct Matt Leinart into the HoF after two mediocre games which he lost. Actually, you had him as MVP before the season even began, so I guess after 2 games he made huge strides. Leinart had a good game against by far the best defense in the NFL. Washington had a good game against a bad defense that lost its best DT. Big difference. Also, running back is the one of, if not, the easiest position for NFL rookies to learn. Quarterback is the hardest. The fact that guys like Leinart and Young look good at all as rookies tells you these guys are going to be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Leinart had a good game against by far the best defense in the NFL. Washington had a good game against a bad defense that lost its best DT. Big difference. Also, running back is the one of, if not, the easiest position for NFL rookies to learn. Quarterback is the hardest. The fact that guys like Leinart and Young look good at all as rookies tells you these guys are going to be good. He then proceeded to lose to what was widely considered the worst team in the league the week after, and then lose to another bottom feeder team. I don't see how that proves he is going to be good. As much as I knock Chad, at least he can beat the Raiders and Packers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Barton I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you don't watch college football. Did you see the Notre Dame -Michigan St. game? For those of you that do not know, Drew Stanton plays for Mich St. and Quinn for ND. Michigan St was up by how many points and Quinn still rallied back and won the game? How did Stanton end that game? With a pick? Not entirely sure but I remember Stanton having a chance to win the game on the final drive and blowing it. But hey, Stanton did manage to follow up that comeback against powerhouse Northwestern by laying an egg against Indiana. Stanton has nothing around him, and a horrible Oline. Not to mention a really pathetic defense. I have watched alot of college football. Stanton stays in the pocket and still slings lasers even with pressure in his face. Quinn will miss open WRs when there is just a slight pass rush coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetCane Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Can we take it easy with Leon Washington? The guy had two good games, one in mop up time against the Jags' second string defense and the other against a Detroit Lions defense that sucks and was missing its best player, run stuffer Shaun Rogers. Funny how Pennington gets killed for his play against the Browns defense but Leon Washington can get away with averaging about 3 yards a carry against a bad run defense. He can be a good 3rd down back and a return guy but not much more. Did I go overboard saying he was "plucked in the fourth round" Wow, you have a reading comprehension problem, dont you. He is producing this season, which is pretty good, considering the two third round picks havent exactly done much. You seem to be the one going overboard with your manlove for Young, Leinart and Quinn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harris5214 Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 i would take Calvin Johnson over anybody in the draft next year, he is the next big thing in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSJets Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Dude, it's college football! There are a long string of QBs that did great in college and never panned out in the pros. There are also a lot of players that exceeded expectations in the pros based on their college performances. It's retarded to tank the season for such a gamble! We might already have our franchise QB, he's supposed to be as good as Cutler, Leinart and Young. If PeterNorth says Clemens sucks, then he must suck. Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSJets Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Funny how Pennington gets killed for his play against the Browns defense but Leon Washington can get away with averaging about 3 yards a carry against a bad run defense. You forgot to mention the fumble on the 9 yard line by Leon too. That could have potentially blown the game open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 And don't give me this real fan bs, it's been a long friggin time since this organization has won a Super Bowl. I think everybody that post's here cept for the Chowder Slurpers wants a Superbowl win for the Jets. How bout if we just look at your path to that as the halucinatory dream that it is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNorth09 Posted October 31, 2006 Author Share Posted October 31, 2006 You forgot to mention the fumble on the 9 yard line by Leon too. That could have potentially blown the game open. Please, can't you understand that Leon Washington is the next Barry Sanders? Easily rookie of the year material and our RB for the next 15 years. Once Brad Smith finds a position he will be great. Anthony Schlegel will learn how to run fast and Eric Smith will learn how to more effectively keep the bench warm for Erik Coleman and Kerry Rhodes. Just watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNorth09 Posted October 31, 2006 Author Share Posted October 31, 2006 We already have our franchise QB, he's supposed to be as good as Cutler, Leinart and Young. LOL Yeah, why base anything on college performance when there are more important things to evaluate players on like Wonderlic scores and how many jumping jacks they do at the combine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 LOL Yeah, why base anything on college performance when there are more important things to evaluate players on like Wonderlic scores and how many jumping jacks they do at the combine? Right, let's discount the collective wisdon of draft experts, our own front office, and all the other guys that said Clemens is good, and instead listen to some poster named after a porn star. That's brilliant. Your mother must be proud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 youre a DUMBASS.. sp, you have been on fire lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Anyone watched Vince Young play this season? He's terrible, the worst starting QB in the league. As for Lionheart, he has regressed in every game he's started. PeterNorth is a moron and so far, I am a lot closer to being right about his two lovers than he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Please, can't you understand that Leon Washington is the next Barry Sanders? Easily rookie of the year material and our RB for the next 15 years. Once Brad Smith finds a position he will be great. Anthony Schlegel will learn how to run fast and Eric Smith will learn how to more effectively keep the bench warm for Erik Coleman and Kerry Rhodes. Just watch. That deserves a POTW nomination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Anyone watched Vince Young play this season? He's terrible, the worst starting QB in the league. As for Lionheart, he has regressed in every game he's started. PeterNorth is a moron and so far, I am a lot closer to being right about his two lovers than he is. I haven't watched him play, but he seems to be producing TDs and winning games, and that's what you ask for. I think he's the best of the big 3 so far clearly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Anyone watched Vince Young play this season? He's terrible, the worst starting QB in the league. Your LSU bias and hatred of Vince Young is now approaching epidemic proportions. He has started 4 friggn' NFL games. How did Troy Aikman and Peyton Manning do in their first seasons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 Your LSU bias and hatred of Vince Young is now approaching epidemic proportions. He has started 4 friggn' NFL games. How did Troy Aikman and Peyton Manning do in their first seasons? LSU? I thought Young played for Texas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 Just say NO to brady quinn. That would set the fanchise back even more. Build this team around chad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 Just say NO to brady quinn. That would set the fanchise back even more. Build this team around chad. I like you mate, but that is crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 I like you mate, but that is crazy. Whats crazy is taking a first round pick + future first round picks to trade up for a QB when you already have one. You don't need hall of fame QB's to win super bowls. Draft for defense, draft for o line, draft depth and it won't matter whos playing QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 Whats crazy is taking a first round pick + future first round picks to trade up for a QB when you already have one. You don't need hall of fame QB's to win super bowls. Build the defense, build the o line, build depth and it won't matter whos playing QB. Chad is OK but he is in his 30's. He is older than Brady for fark sake. To get to your point: The Ravens D was sick that is why Dilfer won a SB. The Tampa D was very good. That is why Brad Johnson won a SB. Tom Brady is one of the best QB's in the NFL. That is why he has won 3 Super Bowls. A great QB wins multiple Super Bowls. An average QB "wins" one and then does nothing else. Which would you rather have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 Chad is OK but he is in his 30's. He is older than Brady for fark sake. To get to your point: The Ravens D was sick that is why Dilfer won a SB. The Tampa D was very good. That is why Brad Johnson won a SB. Tom Brady is one of the best QB's in the NFL. That is why he has won 3 Super Bowls. A great QB wins multiple Super Bowls. An average QB "wins" one and then does nothing else. Which would you rather have? There are great QB's who don't win super bowls too. And there is no garuntee that brady quinn will be one of the best QB's in the NFL. Brady didn't win those SB's by himself. Early in his carrer he was nothing more then a system QB but winning gave him confidence and now he's much better then he was then. the system and enviornment he played in was a huge part of that. If we can build a winning program here with winning players and depth on both sides of the ball, we'll win with any decent QB. As far as multiple SB's there is no way to talk about that. I'll just take one and be very happy with it there is such a huge element of luck in winning these games there is no way to plan for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 There are great QB's who don't win super bowls too. And there is no garuntee that brady quinn will be one of the best QB's in the NFL. Brady didn't win those SB's by himself. Early in his carrer he was nothing more then a system QB but winning gave him confidence and now he's much better then he was then. the system and enviornment he played in was a huge part of that. If we can build a winning program here with winning players and depth on both sides of the ball, we'll win with any decent QB. As far as multiple SB's there is no way to talk about that. I'll just take one and be very happy with it there is such a huge element of luck in winning these games there is no way to plan for that. Marino & Kelly come to mind. Either way, Chad will not get the Jets to the promised land. I like the guy but he isn't the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 Marino & Kelly come to mind. Either way, Chad will not get the Jets to the promised land. I like the guy but he isn't the answer. The answer is building a TEAM that will take us where we need to go, not ANY one player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 The answer is building a TEAM that will take us where we need to go, not ANY one player. I agree. But having a guy taking snaps behind the center is a big cog in the TEAM. Is Leon the future for the Jets? Give your average QB an average RB and you will get nothing on offense. Let's hope the Jets build a Raven like defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 I agree. But having a guy taking snaps behind the center is a big cog in the TEAM. Is Leon the future for the Jets? Give your average QB an average RB and you will get nothing on offense. Let's hope the Jets build a Raven like defense. I don't know if Leon is the future or not. Thats somthing we'll have to see, but if he's not I'd much rather address that early in the draft then starting all over again with another QB. Though you can with with a middle of the road RB too if you have a great O line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetophile Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 Of course he doesn't s*ck, but half our defense is going to be forcefully exterminated next year to address other needs. Walking papers. Pink slips. Most of them will be taking a long walk off a short plank. Trying to address one singular need to the exclusion of everything else has been the bane of our past existence. I'll wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.