Smizzy Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2662193 Redsox-$51.1M "The Mets finished second with a bid between $39 million and $40 million, according to a baseball official who spoke on condition of anonymity because none of the losing bids were revealed. The Yankees bid between $32 million and $33 million, another baseball official said." Spend,Spend,Spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted November 15, 2006 Author Share Posted November 15, 2006 For $51.1 million you could have a conversation with Daisuke Matsuzaka ... or you could assemble an entire staff of the best pitchers of 2006, including the top five starters in ERA, the top five relievers in holds, and the top closer in saves with $2.274 million left over for the league's best bullpen catcher: Player Pos. 2006 Salary Johan Santana, MIN SP $8.75M Brandon Webb, ARI SP $2.5M Roy Halladay, TOR SP $12.75M Roy Oswalt, HOU SP $11M Chris Carpenter, STL SP $5M Scot Shields, LAA RP $2.1M Joel Zumaya, DET RP $327K Aaron Heilman, NYM RP $359K Scott Linebrink, SD RP $1.365M Juan Rincon, MIN RP $900K Francisco Rodriguez, LAA CL $3.775M Total salary -- $48.826M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 For $51.1 million you could have a conversation with Daisuke Matsuzaka ... or you could assemble an entire staff of the best pitchers of 2006, including the top five starters in ERA, the top five relievers in holds, and the top closer in saves with $2.274 million left over for the league's best bullpen catcher: Player Pos. 2006 Salary Johan Santana, MIN SP $8.75M Brandon Webb, ARI SP $2.5M Roy Halladay, TOR SP $12.75M Roy Oswalt, HOU SP $11M Chris Carpenter, STL SP $5M Scot Shields, LAA RP $2.1M Joel Zumaya, DET RP $327K Aaron Heilman, NYM RP $359K Scott Linebrink, SD RP $1.365M Juan Rincon, MIN RP $900K Francisco Rodriguez, LAA CL $3.775M Total salary -- $48.826M This is just insane.....50 million for an unknown commodity. In all reality the Red Sox will be out of pocket more money for this guy than any pitcher in MLB. If this guy flops (which I don't think he will) it will be D-Rob/Brian Taylor x1000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uart Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 The Sox have no intention of signing this guy. They're not that retarded. They can't be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 All the reports I read this guy is solid- but 51 million and then who knows what to sign him is a sign of the baseball times nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbn007 Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 The Mets just gave El Duque a 2 year, 12 million deal. This for a guy who is at least 40, and probably closer to 43-45. I can now see Zito and Schmidt getting 14-16 per season, and guys like Meche, Lilly and Padilla getting 8-9 million per. Insane. Moose is a bargain at the reported 2 year, 22.5 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 If they don't sign him, they get their money back. If they sign him, they get a 26 year old flame thrower and a tap into a HUGE baseball money market. I hope they get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthCoastJetsFan Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 If they don't sign him, they get their money back. If they sign him, they get a 26 year old flame thrower and a tap into a HUGE baseball money market. I hope they get him. He's not a flame-thrower. He tops out around 93. He's more like a Maddux-type (Greg, not Mike). The way the current rules are, this is a brilliant move. They'll get him on the cheap, salary-cap wise, because he and Boras have no leverage. He either signs for what the Sox offer or goes back to Japan, and the Sox get their cash back. I guarantee you that neither he or Seibu want that. Either way, they keep him away from their main rival at least for a year. There is no legal issue because this is simply a transfer fee, much like happens in soccer all the time. He is under contract to Seibu for 2 more years, and this is their release fee. The process has been negotiated between the 2 leagues and the PA, I'm sure, which puts the legality in the same class as the drafts, which have already been judged legal in the courts. Not that this guy deserves being the highest paid pitcher in MLB, and I shudder at the thought of the salary escalation this is going to cause. But there really isn't much risk for the Sox here, unless they cave to Boras, which I don't think they will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 I can't believe the Sox would overspend so much, im disgusted Bud Selig lets them get away with this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 He's not a flame-thrower. He tops out around 93. He's more like a Maddux-type (Greg, not Mike). The way the current rules are, this is a brilliant move. They'll get him on the cheap, salary-cap wise, because he and Boras have no leverage. He either signs for what the Sox offer or goes back to Japan, and the Sox get their cash back. I guarantee you that neither he or Seibu want that. Either way, they keep him away from their main rival at least for a year. There is no legal issue because this is simply a transfer fee, much like happens in soccer all the time. He is under contract to Seibu for 2 more years, and this is their release fee. The process has been negotiated between the 2 leagues and the PA, I'm sure, which puts the legality in the same class as the drafts, which have already been judged legal in the courts. Not that this guy deserves being the highest paid pitcher in MLB, and I shudder at the thought of the salary escalation this is going to cause. But there really isn't much risk for the Sox here, unless they cave to Boras, which I don't think they will. You're right, he isn't a flame thrower and I'm not quite sure why I said that. All reports indicate that he has amazing stuff and a number of pitches he can throw. But none of them are this ridiculous 'gyroball' crap. I love this move by Boston. It is aggressive and if they land him, I'll probably do my part and buy a shirt. And that, afterall, is how Boston will make their money: merchandising. And you won't just have US Red Sox fans buying the shirts, it'll be in Japan also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Both the Sox & the Mets can never use the $ complaints anymore because they have proven they have that type of money to throw around with this. Period. Mike & the Mad Dog were dead on about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Both the Sox & the Mets can never use the $ complaints anymore because they have proven they have that type of money to throw around with this. Period. Mike & the Mad Dog were dead on about this. We get it. Move on. Truth be told, we only keep sying this to you guys to get you all steamed up. We know the Red Sox have a ton of cash to spend. We just keep doing it for the sport of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Haggis You can spin anything........you are trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shhhheit. The Sawx will end up having the moste expensive player in baseball, all while rolling the dice I'm glad the Yanks didn't get him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted November 16, 2006 Author Share Posted November 16, 2006 We get it. Move on. Truth be told, we only keep sying this to you guys to get you all steamed up. We know the Red Sox have a ton of cash to spend. We just keep doing it for the sport of it. This is very obvious to the seasoned Yankee fan. However you get guys like JustBlowMen/Fan who actually believe it whole heatedly and shout it from the roof tops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbn007 Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 This is very obvious to the seasoned Yankee fan. However you get guys like JustBlowMen/Fan who actually believe it whole heatedly and shout it from the roof tops. He has been strangly quiet these days, hasn't he? Must have a lot of work to do. After all, the court cases are really backing up the legal system. Oh, I forgot. He dropped out of Law School. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Haggis You can spin anything........you are trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shhhheit. The Sawx will end up having the moste expensive player in baseball, all while rolling the dice I'm glad the Yanks didn't get him The thing is, this move is not just about signing one player. It's about the future and the exploration of a talent pool and new marketing $$$$$. With this move the Red Sox show the Japanese market they are very interested now and for the forseeable future. The 51M is drop in the ocean compared to what this could lead to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthCoastJetsFan Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Both the Sox & the Mets can never use the $ complaints anymore because they have proven they have that type of money to throw around with this. Period. Mike & the Mad Dog were dead on about this. Agreed, 124. I don't like the spending trend, however. I don't think that it's good for a few teams to be able to dominate free agency. Eventually, that will skew the competitive balance in a way that could be counterproductive. Maybe I'm totally off base, but for an industry awash in cash right now, it's almost cost-prohibitive to take a family to a game these days. ANd I don't see it getting any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Agreed, 124. I don't like the spending trend, however. I don't think that it's good for a few teams to be able to dominate free agency. Eventually, that will skew the competitive balance in a way that could be counterproductive. Maybe I'm totally off base, but for an industry awash in cash right now, it's almost cost-prohibitive to take a family to a game these days. ANd I don't see it getting any better. Well the prices aren't getting any cheaper. There is enough money to go around and everyone is spending money not just the big market teams... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 The Pirates were also in the mix, with their bid of $1 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shutout Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 The Pirates were also in the mix, with their bid of $1 million. Friggin Pirates...trying to ruin baseball with their spending ways Thank god the Red Sox saved the day by just outbidding them by a very narrow $50million margin. The Yankees and Mets also tried to help with their slim bids which admittedly were just to keep him from those mighty, evil pirates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Agreed, 124. I don't like the spending trend, however. I don't think that it's good for a few teams to be able to dominate free agency. Eventually, that will skew the competitive balance in a way that could be counterproductive. Maybe I'm totally off base, but for an industry awash in cash right now, it's almost cost-prohibitive to take a family to a game these days. ANd I don't see it getting any better. Eventually? All you have to do is look at the 2004 and 2005 Sox and/or Yankees at what money can do. Pick a scenario. Lose player(s) to injury. Lose a star to Free Agency. Star player has subpar year. Yet our two teams have 373 games over their 4 respective seasons. If the injuries that have affected our two teams over the past two seasons happened to the Royals they would be luck to top 40 wins. The Sox's 86 wins is the low water mark and that team spent most of the season in first place. An international draft is needed as been said a 1000x on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Eventually? All you have to do is look at the 2004 and 2005 Sox and/or Yankees at what money can do. Pick a scenario. Lose player(s) to injury. Lose a star to Free Agency. Star player has subpar year. Yet our two teams have 373 games over their 4 respective seasons. If the injuries that have affected our two teams over the past two seasons happened to the Royals they would be luck to top 40 wins. The Sox's 86 wins is the low water mark and that team spent most of the season in first place. An international draft is needed as been said a 1000x on this forum. It's called a free market, hippie! The league is constantly trying to take away the free market. It's one thing to do it to keep the Yanks, Mets, BoSox and other big spenders from running away with the league, but what about the players? Why should these owners be allowed to line their pockets? I don't see why we don't have the Poulan Weedeater Pirates and let them use it as advertising and spend the money. Why should the players have to suffer? Make no mistake, getting $10 Million when you are worth $20 Million is sufferering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 It's called a free market, hippie! The league is constantly trying to take away the free market. It's one thing to do it to keep the Yanks, Mets, BoSox and other big spenders from running away with the league, but what about the players? Why should these owners be allowed to line their pockets? I don't see why we don't have the Poulan Weedeater Pirates and let them use it as advertising and spend the money. Why should the players have to suffer? Make no mistake, getting $10 Million when you are worth $20 Million is sufferering. Cool your jets 27. I am just pointing out that their is already a counter productive imblance. I know my Sox are one of the haves and I am thankful for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 Thank you Boston Dirt Dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 Cool your jets 27. I am just pointing out that their is already a counter productive imblance. I know my Sox are one of the haves and I am thankful for it. My Jets are cool. I just hate this hippie crap. Sure a competitive imbalance sucks, but I still don't like this enforced socialism so that we can pretend the Royals and Pirates will get a chance. They won't and it'll still be the rich getting richer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 There has always been haves and havenots, going back a century. This idea that there was some golden age of pefect and fair competition is nonsense. Just from now on Sawx fans are precluded from whining about money when they paid $51.1 million(and more than $10 million than anyoen else bid) for a pitcher who's never toed a rubber in a MLB game before they even got to his Boras-negotiated contract.More money allows team like the Yankees and Sawx and Mets to eat more mistakes and be somewhat more reckless than small market teams. Carl pavano for the Yankees is n embarrassment; if that happened to the A's or Twins it would be a catastrophe. But as the postseason demonstrated again, money doesn't mean very much in October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted November 19, 2006 Share Posted November 19, 2006 There has always been haves and havenots, going back a century. This idea that there was some golden age of pefect and fair competition is nonsense. Just from now on Sawx fans are precluded from whining about money when they paid $51.1 million(and more than $10 million than anyoen else bid) for a pitcher who's never toed a rubber in a MLB game before they even got to his Boras-negotiated contract.More money allows team like the Yankees and Sawx and Mets to eat more mistakes and be somewhat more reckless than small market teams. Carl pavano for the Yankees is n embarrassment; if that happened to the A's or Twins it would be a catastrophe. But as the postseason demonstrated again, money doesn't mean very much in October. Are you sure you are a Yankee fan? I think most Sox fans know they are lucky their team can spend some money. Not Yankee money granted, but enough to the point that the past two seasons which saw flawed teams competing for the playoffs. Back when the top and bottom teams were spearated by mere millions and not hundreds of million dollars, the Sox and probably the Yankees would have been lucky to be 70 win teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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