mbn007 Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Again, you're entitled to your opinion. I wasn't comparing Melky to other outfielders, I was comparing him to the player you compared him to. Melky is a four tool player at this point lacking only in power. Paulino is a one or two tool player. I'll take the player who brings more to the table. Again, it's all a matter of opinion but the bottom line is that they're both good young players. You tell 'im. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 My opinion of Melky Cabrera is that he isn't a 4 tool player. He's almost a 4 tool player. He's a tweener in nearly everything. He's not really fast, but he has above average speed. He's not excellent in the field, but he's a little above average and has the potential to make excellent plays once in a while. But also has the potential to really screw it up. He doesn't have a cannon for an arm, but he's not johnny damon or coco crisp, just not a right field arm. Assists just mean that people are willing to run on him, just cause melky has more assists than vlad doesn't mean he has a stronger or nearly as strong an arm. Jason Bay had 11 assists last year, you probably couldnt find a pirate fan that would say he has a great arm, which is why he's in left field. He doesn't have enough power for a corner outfielder, and may never have enough. And he can hit for average and take a walk. He would be alright on the yankees though, you guys should keep him. Maybe he will be a 3 or 4 tool player someday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 21, 2006 Author Share Posted December 21, 2006 My opinion of Melky Cabrera is that he isn't a 4 tool player. He's almost a 4 tool player. He's a tweener in nearly everything. He's not really fast, but he has above average speed. He's not excellent in the field, but he's a little above average and has the potential to make excellent plays once in a while. But also has the potential to really screw it up. He doesn't have a cannon for an arm, but he's not johnny damon or coco crisp, just not a right field arm. Assists just mean that people are willing to run on him, just cause melky has more assists than vlad doesn't mean he has a stronger or nearly as strong an arm. Jason Bay had 11 assists last year, you probably couldnt find a pirate fan that would say he has a great arm, which is why he's in left field. He doesn't have enough power for a corner outfielder, and may never have enough. And he can hit for average and take a walk. He would be alright on the yankees though, you guys should keep him. Maybe he will be a 3 or 4 tool player someday. As I said, you're entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. IMO he's already a 4 tool player. Maybe even 3 if you want to say he hasn't hit for a very high average yet although he was around .290 for a large part of the season if I'm not mistaken. The guy struggled defenively early in both of his call ups but after a few weeks he was well above average. I don't recall saying that he was top shelf or elite in any category. Simply that he possessed the ability to beat a team several different ways and at a very young age there is no reason to expect him not to get better. As I said several times during the season, his plate discipline is better than the majority of veteran hitters you'll see on a daily basis. This is something that hitters usually take years to develop and some never do. Melky is going to be a hell of a ballplayer for somebody for years to come. As far as his assists and how they apply to his throwing arm, I agree. I've always said that some players assists are inflated by the fact that they have a weak arm and teams run on them constantly. Melky on the other hand has what I would consider a very strong arm having seen him play on a regular basis. Again, not elite but well above average. I'd still take a young guy who's above average in 3-4 categories over a guy who hits for average and might play some okay defense. JMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 21, 2006 Share Posted December 21, 2006 I think I like his arm more than his speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted December 21, 2006 Share Posted December 21, 2006 Like you said, Cabrera should get better, so should Paulino. He was considered the top defensive catcher in the Pirates system, he slipped a little last year and will improve there. Also, with his frame his power will come eventually. Catchers are at a premium in the big leagues these days, even quality backup catchers are getting huge paydays. Paulino compared to others at his position is just more valuable than melky compared to other corner outfielders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 In any case, I doubt Cabrera's a Pirate in 07, all these rumors are just posturing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 My opinion of Melky Cabrera is that he isn't a 4 tool player. He's almost a 4 tool player. He's a tweener in nearly everything. He's not really fast, but he has above average speed. He's not excellent in the field, but he's a little above average and has the potential to make excellent plays once in a while. But also has the potential to really screw it up. He doesn't have a cannon for an arm, but he's not johnny damon or coco crisp, just not a right field arm. Assists just mean that people are willing to run on him, just cause melky has more assists than vlad doesn't mean he has a stronger or nearly as strong an arm. Jason Bay had 11 assists last year, you probably couldnt find a pirate fan that would say he has a great arm, which is why he's in left field. He doesn't have enough power for a corner outfielder, and may never have enough. And he can hit for average and take a walk. He would be alright on the yankees though, you guys should keep him. Maybe he will be a 3 or 4 tool player someday.You're pretty much right about him except for his arm. He has a great arm. And it IS a RF arm. (don't use outfield assists to judge how good an outfielders arm is. awful OF's like manny rameriz get alot of assists because guys run on them so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 Ok, if his arm is better than people are saying, how's his accuracy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 Ok, if his arm is better than people are saying, how's his accuracy?His arm is plus plus all around. Power and accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 No link yet...just heard Melky to braves, laroche to pirates, gonzo to yanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flick Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 No link yet...just heard Melky to braves, laroche to pirates, gonzo to yanks LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 No link yet...just heard Melky to braves, laroche to pirates, gonzo to yanks bad bad trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 23, 2006 Author Share Posted December 23, 2006 where'd you hear it? Should be reported widely by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 This isn't official but it does discuss the trade: http://buccoblog.mlblogs.com/my_weblog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 This isn't official but it does discuss the trade: http://buccoblog.mlblogs.com/my_weblog/ That guy can be a complete idiot, I wouldn't trust anything from his blog until you see it somewhere else as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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