James Hasty Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Now that the regular season is over, the Redskins and the Cardinals are tied for the fifth worst record at 5-11. What pick do we get in the second round as a result? Is there a formula or just a coin flip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Now that the regular season is over, the Redskins and the Cardinals are tied for the fifth worst record at 5-11. What pick do we get in the second round as a result? Is there a formula or just a coin flip? It has to do with their SOS's. Not sure what that is offhand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 According to NFL.com The cards have the easier SOS so they get the 5th pick. Skins pick 6th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Top 5 will be Raiders Lions Brwons TB Cards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 The jets would pick 26th as it stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Hasty Posted January 1, 2007 Author Share Posted January 1, 2007 Top 5 will be Raiders Lions Brwons TB Cards Ok, that would be the order for round one. Doesn't the second round order differ from round one (especially for teams with the same record) or am I getting confused? For example if the Cardinals pick fifth in round one, would they pick sixth in round two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Ok, that would be the order for round one. Doesn't the second round order differ from round one (especially for teams with the same record) or am I getting confused? For example if the Cardinals pick fifth in round one, would they pick sixth in round two? No The order would be the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joiseyjet Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 So we should get 3 players in the top 58 players #26, #38 & 58 ,maybe Brian leonard if he`s still around at 58 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 So we should get 3 players in the top 58 players #26, #38 & 58 ,maybe Brian leonard if he`s still around at 58That would be the best day of my life... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 i see the first 3 picks being offensive stars, then tampa will be boring and go with a defensive choice, and arizona SHOULD draft for their OLine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 we're not getting Lynch or Peterson at 26... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachTsurfing Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 I like Bush in the second with the skins pick, unless we are really low in the first, wink, wink. If not I keep hearing about this leonard kid. Got some info on him???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Vp2WqYIttKg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 That would be the best day of my life... leonard is a good story but i would be seriously surprised if he even goes in the first day at all. how many white tb's are there in the nfl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 leonard is a good story but i would be seriously surprised if he even goes in the first day at all. how many white tb's are there in the nfl?He's not a tailback and he's a 2nd round lock. If not late first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Hasty Posted January 1, 2007 Author Share Posted January 1, 2007 Here is a post from Ham on another message board. I think he has it right. The Pick from Washington is #5 in RD 2 - #37 Overall RD 1 ==== 1. Raiders {2-14} 2. Lions {3-13} 3. Browns or Bucs {4-12} 4. Bucs or Browns {4-12} 5. Cardinals {5-11} .. Weaker SOS 6. Redskins {5-11} .. Stronger SOS RD 2 ==== 33. Raiders 34. Lions 35. Bucs or Browns 36. Browns or Bucs 37. Redskins {Traded to Jets} .. They flip spots with Zona in RD 2 38. Cardinals .. DITTO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Bwaha, at that position, it's like having another first rounder! The talent dropoff really usually doesn't occur too much until aroud pick 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 leonard is a good story but i would be seriously surprised if he even goes in the first day at all. how many white tb's are there in the nfl? Leonard's not going to go in the first day? If you believe that one I've got a bridge for sale... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 No The order would be the same. Actually, Hasty is right. It alternates when teams have the same record. The SOS is only for determining who picks earlier in round one. After that, every like-record team moves up 1 slot in the following round & the top team moves to the bottom of that group, and so on until the draft is over. You only pick the same # in every round if you are the only team with that W/L record with that same how-far-did-you-get outcome in the playoffs. Take last year's Jets. We had the 4th-worst team by record & SOS. But we didn't pick 4th in every round since there were four other teams with 4-12 records. So our (original) picks were: 1-4 (rd 1 - pick 4) 2-3 3-7 4-6 5-5 6-4 7-3 So if Washington picks #6 in round 1 and at least 1 other team had the same record with an easier SOS, then they pick #5 in round 2. I will be teaching a class on this in the chat room at 3:30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Leonard's not going to go in the first day? If you believe that one I've got a bridge for sale... marginal blocker and very undersized at fullback. leonard may be successful on the right team catching the ball out of the backfield but he doesn't exactly blow up lb's. bj askew > leonard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 marginal blocker and very undersized at fullback. leonard may be successful on the right team catching the ball out of the backfield but he doesn't exactly blow up lb's. bj askew > leonard I think the Askew line may be stretching it. He's 235 lbs & has experience (with success) at FB. So if he was 5 lbs heavier then he's not undersized? Besides, until this year Askew was not > anyone & probably still wanted to be our primary tailback. But I don't like drafting a fullback in round 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 According to NFL.com The cards have the easier SOS so they get the 5th pick. Skins pick 6th. So if the Jets package the last pick in the 1st round and the 6th pick in the 2nd round, how far can they move up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 So if the Jets package the last pick in the 1st round and the 6th pick in the 2nd round, how far can they move up? lol but it would technically move us up to #14 and we'd get that team's 6th-rounder also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 lol but it would technically move us up to #14 and we'd get that team's 6th-rounder also. Would it be better (draft wise) if we didn't win the Super Bowl? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 marginal blocker and very undersized at fullback. leonard may be successful on the right team catching the ball out of the backfield but he doesn't exactly blow up lb's. bj askew > leonard He's not a marginal Blocker and he's Not undersized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Ok, that would be the order for round one. Doesn't the second round order differ from round one (especially for teams with the same record) or am I getting confused? For example if the Cardinals pick fifth in round one, would they pick sixth in round two? actually... I think you're right. That's how it was last year. The Lions, I think, picked 10th. They picked 9th in the second, and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 marginal blocker and very undersized at fullback. leonard may be successful on the right team catching the ball out of the backfield but he doesn't exactly blow up lb's. bj askew > leonard Askew is better, but you say: "[L]eonard may be successful on the right team catching the ball out of the backfield." Tell me when Askew has been successful at that? I don't care if we pick him, I'm a BAP guy. Address needs with FA. Still, Leonard is versatile and much better than you give him credit for. He will be a first day pick. Leonard may be slightly undersized, much like Askew who apparently can't block and has shown very little as a receiver. Leonard also runs a 4.5 40 which won't hurt his stock at the combine. Sounds like a nice little h-back in the Sean Ryan role for this team, though there are dozens of other players we could also use. If he's still there on the 2nd day and the Jets don't grab him Tannenbaum should have his head examined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Askew is better, but you say: "[L]eonard may be successful on the right team catching the ball out of the backfield." Tell me when Askew has been successful at that? I don't care if we pick him, I'm a BAP guy. Address needs with FA. Still, Leonard is versatile and much better than you give him credit for. He will be a first day pick. Leonard may be slightly undersized, much like Askew who apparently can't block and has shown very little as a receiver. Leonard also runs a 4.5 40 which won't hurt his stock at the combine. Sounds like a nice little h-back in the Sean Ryan role for this team, though there are dozens of other players we could also use. If he's still there on the 2nd day and the Jets don't grab him Tannenbaum should have his head examined.First of all you're underrating Leonard yourself. He's much more then a Sean Ryan clone. He's a 6'2 fullback (NOT undersized) who runs FASTER then 4.5, he can Run (He's run for close to 1000 yards as a FB) Catch Passes (He led the team in Recs 3 years in a row and had a REC in every game as a college football player) and he blocked for Ray Rice as he ran for 1700 yards this season. He'll walk on the field as a top 3 FB in the NFL as a rookie. There is NO CHANCE he gets past the 2nd round. NONE. One more thing: In 885 Touches as a college football player he has 0 Fumbles and 0 Lost Fumbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 First of all you're underrating Leonard yourself. He's much more then a Sean Ryan clone. He's a 6'2 fullback (NOT undersized) who runs FASTER then 4.5, he can Run (He's run for close to 1000 yards as a FB) Catch Passes (He led the team in Recs 3 years in a row and had a REC in every game as a college football player) and he blocked for Ray Rice as he ran for 1700 yards this season. He'll walk on the field as a top 3 FB in the NFL as a rookie. There is NO CHANCE he gets past the 2nd round. NONE. One more thing: In 885 Touches as a college football player he has 0 Fumbles and 0 Lost Fumbles. Preaching to the choir here my man. I'm sold on Leonard and would take him in round 2 in a second, especially since we have extra picks and seem to be in a position where taking a "luxury" pick wouldnt be a terrible thing. But does he REALLY run faster than a 4.5 40? Not that it matters because I find 40 times to be worthless (especially since they run it without pads OR a football in their hand), but thats damn fast for a fullback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 But does he REALLY run faster than a 4.5 40? Not that it matters because I find 40 times to be worthless (especially since they run it without pads OR a football in their hand), but thats damn fast for a fullback. Yeah, the kid is a physical freak in fact he runs a faster 40 then any player on the rutgers team aside from tim brown. I've heard stories of him running 4.3's consistently and his Vert's and side to side times are just as sick. He's gonna blow people away at the combine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 First of all you're underrating Leonard yourself. He's much more then a Sean Ryan clone. He's a 6'2 fullback (NOT undersized) who runs FASTER then 4.5, he can Run (He's run for close to 1000 yards as a FB) Catch Passes (He led the team in Recs 3 years in a row and had a REC in every game as a college football player) and he blocked for Ray Rice as he ran for 1700 yards this season. He'll walk on the field as a top 3 FB in the NFL as a rookie. There is NO CHANCE he gets past the 2nd round. NONE. One more thing: In 885 Touches as a college football player he has 0 Fumbles and 0 Lost Fumbles. I did not at any time intimate the guy was a "Sean Ryan clone." I said that he would be awesome in that role on the Jets. Being used as a TE/FB/H-back where his versatility would allow many multiple sets from the no-huddle. An example of what I meant would be: "Champ Bailey would be good in the David Barrett role on the Jets." I have heard that Leonard has run some very fast 40 times, but the fastest I've actually seen listed is 4.52. His stock will rise or fall based on the combine times. If he's actually running in the 4.4 or 4.3s at 225-230 I doubt he will last to the 2nd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENLANTERN Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Paul Paslusky LB Penn State think he falls to this pick in the second? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preston Howley III Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yXJig0LrWA&mode=related&search= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yXJig0LrWA&mode=related&search= Hoo Hoo Robin I invented MTV unplugged. Before me they always plugged into an amp from the beginning of time. Tell um Fred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uart Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 He's not a tailback and he's a 2nd round lock. If not late first. He's a FB. He won't go in the first round. While I can definitely see him going in the second, he's not a "sexy" pick, and if enough players come out early, he could drop lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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