faba Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 Steals and Reaches Plenty of teams reached for draft picks, and just as many had some great steals fall into their laps. Here's my opinion on which picks came off the board too early and which lasted longer than most thought they would. And it's important to note that I rate steals and reaches based on my overall rankings, not where I projected players to go in my mock draft: Too high or too low? Steals Reaches WR Mike Williams, No. 10 overall, Detroit WR Matt Jones, No. 21 overall to Jacksonville QB Aaron Rodgers, No. 24 to Green Bay CB Fabian Washington, No. 23 to Oakland WR Roddy White, No. 27 to Atlanta QB Jason Campbell, No. 25 to Washington DE Matt Roth, No. 46 to Miami DT Luis Castillo, No. 28 to San Diego LB Odell Thurman, No. 47 to Cincinnati G Logan Mankins, No. 32 to New England OT Khalif Barnes, No. 52 overall to Jacksonville CB Stanford Routt, No. 30 to Oakland DE Dan Cody, No. 53 overall to Baltimore LB Lofa Tatupu, No. 45 to Seattle WR Roscoe Parrish, No. 55 overall to Buffalo CB Ronald Bartell Jr., No. 50 overall to St. Louis CB Justin Miller, No. 57 to New York Jets CB Nick Collins, No. 51 to Green Bay CB Bryant McFadden, No. 62 to Pittsburgh CB Darrent Williams, No 56 to Denver CB Eric Green, No. 75 to Arizona CB Kelvin Hayden, No. 60 to Indianapolis RB Ryan Moats, No. 77 to Philadelphia WR Vincent Jackson, No. 61 to San Diego OG Evan Mathis, No. 79 to Carolina CB Karl Paymah, No. 76 to Denver OG Adam Snyder, No. 94 to San Francisco OL Richie Incognito, No. 81 overall to St. Louis LB Darryl Blackstock, No. 95 to Arizona QB David Greene, No. 85 to Seattle OT Ray Willis, No. 105 to Seattle CB Scott Starks, No. 87 to Jacksonville QB Kyle Orton, No. 106 to Chicago DT Sione Pouha, No. 88 to New York Jets WR Jerome Mathis, No. 114 to Houston DE Vincent Burns, No. 92 to Indianapolis C Eric Ghiaciuc, No. 119 to Cincinnati OT Trai Essex, No. 93 to Pittsburgh C Jason Brown, No. 124 to Baltimore CB Domonique Foxworth, No. 97 to Denver RB Darren Sproles, No. 130 to San Diego LB Leroy Hill, No. 98 to Seattle WR Roydell Williams, No. 136 to Tennessee OG Nick Kaczur, No. 100 to New England WR Airese Currie, No. 140 to Chicago RB Maurice Clarett, No. 101 to Denver OT Adam Kieft, No. 153 to Cincinnati RB Manuel White, No. 120 to Washington S Gerald Sensabaugh, No. 157 to Jacksonville C Raymond Preston, No. 122 to Buffalo G Scott Young, No. 172 to Philadelphia S Kerry Rhodes, No. 123 to New York Jets G Chris Kemoeatu, No. 204 to Pittsburgh DE Chauncey Davis, No. 128 to Atlanta S Justin Beriault, No. 208 to Dallas OG Claude Terrell, No. 134 to St. Louis OT Pete McMahon, No. 214 to Oakland S Matt Giordano, No. 135 to Indianapolis CB Daven Holly, No. 215 to San Francisco C Drew Hodgdon, No. 142 to Tennessee CB Michael Hawkins, No. 167 to Green Bay S Ben Emanuel, No. 171 to Carolina LB Tyjuan Hagler, No. 173 to Indianapolis Miller at 57 for Jets to me is a no-brainer and Matt Jones as a reach -disagrees with Ham! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomShane Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 As the co-owner and content editor of a highly influential website, I feel comfortable referring Mel Kiper as my "colleague." And I must say, that as my colleague, Mel (I can call him Mel. You may not) is absolutely dead on with all of his calls. While Pouha and Rhodes were probably slight reaches, there is no question that Logan Mankins and Ellis Hobbs and Matt Cassell were huge, huge reaches. Good job, Mel. I'll call you later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 I agree with some, disagree with others. Some of his steals were reaches. And some of his reaches were good value. Eh, the draft, if anything else, is subjective until, at the very least, three years down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 A player is only a reach if he busts. With that said, Logan Manbitch was a HUGE reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted April 29, 2005 Author Share Posted April 29, 2005 This is all subjective of course but I am interested to see how are Pat fans respond to us Jet fans calling some of their picks a reach with Kiper seems to agree with us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomShane Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 And if any of you lazy scumbags actually read my Draft Report Card on the front page, you'd see that I was in line with Mel all the way. That's my colleague, Mel Kiper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETROCK Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 Mel Kiper is a putz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted April 29, 2005 Author Share Posted April 29, 2005 Mel Kiper is a putz. Petrock I hope by that remark you are not insuinating that Tom is a putz also since he has aligned himself in this thread so closely with Kiper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 Petrock I hope by that remark you are not insuinating that Tom is a putz also since he has aligned himself in this thread so closely with Kiper Tom, of course, is a putz, but he's our putz. That and he doesn't have Mel's hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 1 thing: Roscoe Parrish was a reach, not a steal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 1 thing: Roscoe Parrish was a reach, not a steal. Agreed. Mini-Moss shouldn't have went until the third round at the earliest. I thought maybe Tom Donahoe fell asleep and Willis McGahee starting doing their drafting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 1 thing: Roscoe Parrish was a reach, not a steal. Ditto. Donahoe... I'm glad he's the Bills GM. They keep going backwards. It's bloody brilliant. They draft a broken RB (granted, he boomed), a QB who has a bigger ego than TomShane, and mini Moss (who was a small guy to begin with). Parrish won't be anything more than a return man, and you don't draft them with your first pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 Tom, of course, is a putz, but he's our putz. That and he doesn't have Mel's hair. But I do believe Max said he has had Mel's Putz!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 But I do believe Max said he has had Mel's Putz!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Jets & Ham Posted April 30, 2005 Share Posted April 30, 2005 And if any of you lazy scumbags actually read my Draft Report Card on the front page, you'd see that I was in line with Mel all the way. That's my colleague, Mel Kiper. TS, awesome Job on the draft report card ... I actually read the whole thing last nite ... EVERY TEAM ... and I thought you did an outstanding job I was VERY IMPRESSED ... it was like a good book, I couldn't put it down till I read every last word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomShane Posted April 30, 2005 Share Posted April 30, 2005 TS, awesome Job on the draft report card ... I actually read the whole thing last nite ... EVERY TEAM ... and I thought you did an outstanding job I was VERY IMPRESSED ... it was like a good book, I couldn't put it down till I read every last word Wow, thanks Ham. Coming from you that means alot, brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted April 30, 2005 Share Posted April 30, 2005 Wow, thanks Ham. Coming from you that means alot, brother. Don't get your panties in a bunch, TS... Ham's just being nice. :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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