gustoonarmy Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 I hope this guy eats his words , just by being a dominant runner and being 4th overall in the NFL isn't good enough so it seems. Is it his fault that he didn't win a SB.....no. He racked up all these yards in teams that were average at best , but hes still not worthy of the HOF....... http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-futurehall020207&prov=yhoo&type=lgns Curtis Martin, RB, New York Jets:. One of the top four rushers ever, but he never won a Super Bowl and wasn't the "dominant" back of his time. He'll likely get in with 17,430 yards from scrimmage and 100 total touchdowns, but it's going to be a tougher go than people think. Still looking classsy Curtis! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Curtis has to do two things to get into the HOF: 1. Retire 2. Wait He will be inducted on the first ballot. This is a no brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbok Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 I hope he gets in. FIRST TRY HE'S ONE OF THE GREATEST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Nothing. If being the #4 all time leading rusher along with arguably the most consistent rusher in NFL history isn't enough then I don't know what it is. All CM has to do is retire and wait 5 years so that I can be there that August to celebrate him getting in with fellow Jets faithful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gustoonarmy Posted February 6, 2007 Author Share Posted February 6, 2007 He should but it makes me squirm that Mr Robinson thinks that it won't be as easy as some people think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbok Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Trust he will make it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Mac Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 I wonder what his motivation is for dragging out the retirement. Perhaps he'll reap a few more bonuses on the contract? I wouldn't have a problem with that, just curious as to why. He's admitted that his career is very likely over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oktaren Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 if thurman gets in on his second chance, curtis gets in on his first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangenious420 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 I hope this guy eats his words , just by being a dominant runner and being 4th overall in the NFL isn't good enough so it seems. Is it his fault that he didn't win a SB.....no. He racked up all these yards in teams that were average at best , but hes still not worthy of the HOF....... http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-futurehall020207&prov=yhoo&type=lgns Still looking classsy Curtis! 1st Ballot. Who's introducing him? Now that's a question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSGold12 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 1st Ballot. Who's introducing him? Now that's a question. He should/will get in on the first or second try due to his career yards stat...but the writer has a point. Martin's career YPC is very pedestrian (bearly over 4), he never won a ring, and he came up very small in some very big games. Truth is (and I know this is blastphemy among many Jets fans), I dont rank Martin even in the top 12-15 of all time. Smith, Sanders, Payton, Campbell, Dickerson, Dorsett, Sayers, OJ, Brown, Riggins, Matson, all rank higher and soon so will Tomlinson, james and Alexander. And there were several backs who did not have his longevity but were MUCH more dominant the martin ever was like Bo jackson, Chuck Foreman, and Terrell Davis for example. What Martin was (to his credit) was very durable and his durbality (and a ridculously loyal coach) allowed him to amass a tremndous number of carries and thus put up some impressive career yard numbers. But he was not nearly as dominant as those mentioned above as his overall stats (not just yards) prove. He ranks somehwre in the Harris, Allen, Thomas, LeRoy Kelly group. he is a HOFer...but he is not a top 10 all time back. Not by a long shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangold's Sister Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 This sounds like something John Clayton said on ESPN a while ago: the voters will think twice because they don't think they would have to "include Curtis Martin in a book about the history of football," since that, according to Clayton, is the criteria they use when voting. I don't know how these morons get to vote... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangenious420 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Are you really Mangolds sis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 It depends who else retires next year, he is lucky farve isnt becuase that would be one spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSGold12 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 This sounds like something John Clayton said on ESPN a while ago: the voters will think twice because they don't think they would have to "include Curtis Martin in a book about the history of football," since that, according to Clayton, is the criteria they use when voting. I don't know how these morons get to vote... Hes a HOFer based on his career yards stats and his durabilty...but Clayton is right. Martins career was more about (dare I say) compiling then it was abut greatness. I know I will get slammed for this but I got slammed for criticizing Hermy too and look how that turned out!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangenious420 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Hes a HOFer based on his career yards stats and his durabilty...but Clayton is right. Martins career was more about (dare I say) compiling then it was abut greatness. I know I will get slammed for this but I got slammed for criticizing Hermy too and look how that turned out!!!! Yeah well Curtis aint Herm and it will never turn out like that. SOOOOO.. SLAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny green balls Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 seen a couple people trying to equate art monk with cmart. this is not a valid comparison because it is much more difficult to be a consistent runner than receiver in this league. one has nothing to do with the other and just because monk has been jilted, it doesn't necessarily follow that cmart will also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSGold12 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Yeah well Curtis aint Herm and it will never turn out like that. SOOOOO.. SLAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM HOF career yardage stats, terrific durability...never truly dominant and not an all time great back. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSGold12 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 seen a couple people trying to equate art monk with cmart. this is not a valid comparison because it is much more difficult to be a consistent runner than receiver in this league. one has nothing to do with the other and just because monk has been jilted, it doesn't necessarily follow that cmart will also. I agree there. What Matin accompished was much more dificuklt then Monk even just from a durability standpoint. 325+ carries a year is a lot tougher to maintain then 85 catches. But both have impressive career stats while neither was a really dominant player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Curtis was a good workhorse and very durable. He stacked up some huge rushing #'s during his career but lacked the ability to be "the guy"... he could have really used a Leon Washington to spell him... I think he gets in first shot, but its no lock. Lets look at some pro's and con's Pro's 14101 Career Yards about 1282 yards per season AVG Only 1 lost fumble in his whole career Stayed healthy for most of his career Played 11 season Con's 4.0 YPC About 8 rushing TD's per year 4 seasons with YPC's in the 3's Only had 4 10+ rushing TD seasons, with a low of 2 in 03' LT has already passed him in TD's and is close to passing him in 1st downs, in half the time.... Never won a superbowl, or any really "big" game... Curtis didnt have the LT type ability to find a way to get it in the endzone, he also doesnt have the speed to be a breakaway runner... he just managed to fight through and pile up some huge #'s. OK enough, I love the guy so I hate bringing up the Con's LOL... now I am going to go put on my #28 becuase I feel bad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 He should/will get in on the first or second try due to his career yards stat...but the writer has a point. Martin's career YPC is very pedestrian (bearly over 4), he never won a ring, and he came up very small in some very big games. Truth is (and I know this is blastphemy among many Jets fans), I dont rank Martin even in the top 12-15 of all time. Smith, Sanders, Payton, Campbell, Dickerson, Dorsett, Sayers, OJ, Brown, Riggins, Matson, all rank higher and soon so will Tomlinson, james and Alexander. And there were several backs who did not have his longevity but were MUCH more dominant the martin ever was like Bo jackson, Chuck Foreman, and Terrell Davis for example. What Martin was (to his credit) was very durable and his durbality (and a ridculously loyal coach) allowed him to amass a tremndous number of carries and thus put up some impressive career yard numbers. But he was not nearly as dominant as those mentioned above as his overall stats (not just yards) prove. He ranks somehwre in the Harris, Allen, Thomas, LeRoy Kelly group. he is a HOFer...but he is not a top 10 all time back. Not by a long shot. That was as Unbiased as you could get, well said. I do think a runner needs to be in the top 5 in the league for most of his career to get in the HOF. He wasn't even the best back on the team (debatably) in 04, when he won the rushing title. That said, he will make the HOF based on durability, and doing all the little things, catching, holding onto the ball, blocking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baamf Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Curtis was a good workhorse and very durable. He stacked up some huge rushing #'s during his career but lacked the ability to be "the guy"... he could have really used a Leon Washington to spell him... I think he gets in first shot, but its no lock. Lets look at some pro's and con's Pro's 14101 Career Yards about 1282 yards per season AVG Only 1 lost fumble in his whole career Stayed healthy for most of his career Played 11 season Con's 4.0 YPC About 8 rushing TD's per year 4 seasons with YPC's in the 3's Only had 4 10+ rushing TD seasons, with a low of 2 in 03' LT has already passed him in TD's and is close to passing him in 1st downs, in half the time.... Never won a superbowl, or any really "big" game... Curtis didnt have the LT type ability to find a way to get it in the endzone, he also doesnt have the speed to be a breakaway runner... he just managed to fight through and pile up some huge #'s. OK enough, I love the guy so I hate bringing up the Con's LOL... now I am going to go put on my #28 becuase I feel bad... Actually he had 29 fumbles and lost 16 of them, still pretty good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSGold12 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Actually he had 29 fumbles and lost 16 of them, still pretty good... We all loved the guy...but objectively speaking, he had a lot of yards on a lot of carries and not a ton of TDs. His career yards get him in...but hes not an all time great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangenious420 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 We all loved the guy...but objectively speaking, he had a lot of yards on a lot of carries and not a ton of TDs. His career yards get him in...but hes not an all time great. Yeah well your wrong. Max said so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSGold12 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Yeah well your wrong. Max said so! Oh...well in that case, I take it all back!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangenious420 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Oh...well in that case, I take it all back!!! Hahahahaha. This is all in good fun of course. But I will be picking you up on my way to Ohio come time for My favorite Martin to be inducted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachTsurfing Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Curtis doesn't have to do a thing. He is already in before his name hits the ballot. Not only has he had a great carrer, he is also has a great character. You don't need to win a sb to get into the hall. There are plenty of players in there that haven't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Actually he had 29 fumbles and lost 16 of them, still pretty good... Typo... sorry Also he never "lost" a fumble to the other team EVER. It was alwasy recovered by him or his team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSGold12 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Hahahahaha. This is all in good fun of course. But I will be picking you up on my way to Ohio come time for My favorite Martin to be inducted. Listen, there is no question in my mind that he gets in...I just dont think he is an alltime great back. In fact, excpet for the injury factor, martin couldnt hold McNeils jock when it comes to raw talent...Emerson Boozer, John Riggins and Matt Snell too. And had Johnny Hector been given 300 carries a year, he would have been a 1200 yard rusher every year at least too! But martin WILL go to the Hall based on his career yards stat...and that alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSGold12 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Typo... sorry Also he never "lost" a fumble to the other team EVER. It was alwasy recovered by him or his team. Are you saying he never turned the ball over? That simply cannot be correct. The stat says he fumbled 29 times and lost 16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 MSGold is a great poster-oh yea Curtis I agree-retire and wait-1st ballot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gustoonarmy Posted February 6, 2007 Author Share Posted February 6, 2007 Listen, there is no question in my mind that he gets in...I just dont think he is an alltime great back. In fact, excpet for the injury factor, martin couldnt hold McNeils jock when it comes to raw talent...Emerson Boozer, John Riggins and Matt Snell too. And had Johnny Hector been given 300 carries a year, he would have been a 1200 yard rusher every year at least too! But martin WILL go to the Hall based on his career yards stat...and that alone. Raw talent does not get you into the HOF. Patience, perseverence and toughness does. I hate comparing backs from different eras because of everything it entails , but come on. Would Jim Brown be good enoug today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Would Jim Brown be good enoug today? Yesterday, today and tomorrow. Jim Brown would be good enough in the year 2525. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34st GANG Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Max siad it best Retire and wait. I'll add that all he needs to do is show up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gustoonarmy Posted February 6, 2007 Author Share Posted February 6, 2007 Yesterday, today and tomorrow. Jim Brown would be good enough in the year 2525. Exactly my point , its impossible to say that JB would be good enough in any era. Lets go even further back , Red Grange , Bronco Nagurski were great backs , would they cut it now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentos Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Listen, there is no question in my mind that he gets in...I just dont think he is an alltime great back. He is an all-time great back. In fact, excpet for the injury factor, martin couldnt hold McNeils jock when it comes to raw talent I might agree with this. Scouts thought so, too. McNeil went 3rd overall in the 1981 draft. Martin went 74th overall in 1995. That said, talent doesn't mean everything. Martin had a stronger will and body than McNeil and was ultimately the better player. Emerson Boozer, John Riggins and Matt Snell too. And had Johnny Hector been given 300 carries a year, he would have been a 1200 yard rusher every year at least too! If Boozer didn't suffer a big injury early in his career, he may have had a Hall of Fame career. Hard to compare Riggins to Martin because Riggins had his best years playing in a one-back set. He was a big, bruising back, which Martin was not. Martin was better than Snell. I liked Hector. He was one of my all-time favorites. That said, if he got 300+ carries a year he may have lost his effectiveness. Just look at the Colts and Super Bowl 41. Dominic Rhodes is actually a more effective player when he comes off the bench and shares duties with other backs. That's the way it is sometimes. Some guys are simply better as backups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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