madmike1 Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2768800 Patsys gain one unhappy corner and the jets lose their top FA target... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 Hello, Ben Watson. Welcome aboard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2768800 Patsys gain one unhappy corner and the jets lose their top FA target... Who says he's unhappy? He will make nearly $8 million next season to play on a team that has a chance to go to the Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted February 17, 2007 Author Share Posted February 17, 2007 Hello, Ben Watson. Welcome aboard!Watson isn't a FA Graham is and the Jets should stay FAR away from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetCane Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 He was the logical choice. I wont say I told you so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted February 17, 2007 Author Share Posted February 17, 2007 Who says he's unhappy? He will make $7.9 mill next season and play on a team that has a chance to go to the Super Bowl.LOL Dude players HATE to be tagged. Either you don't know that which would make you a moron (i don't THINK thats the case.) Or you do know that and you're being a patsy homer as usual... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 LOL Dude players HATE to be tagged. Either you don't know that which would make you a moron (i don't THINK thats the case.) Or you do know that and you're being a patsy homer as usual... I don't think Asante will be disappointed by the franchise tag. I don't know what his salary was before but it was nowhere near $8 million a season. If some team matches the bid that would be great as well. That would give the Pats four 1st round picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 Watson isn't a FA Graham is and the Jets should stay FAR away from him. Pats have so many TE's I get their names confused. Why do you feel should we stay FAR away from him? Because he's not a WR-caliber receiver like Gates/Gonzo/Shockey? Kid can block & Chad has never made use of TE's as receivers. I don't care if he doesn't run a 4.6 fory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 Who says he's unhappy? He will make nearly $8 million next season to play on a team that has a chance to go to the Super Bowl. He was looking at least that much in signing bonus and probably a hell of alot more. Then get a salary & bonus on top of that. Hopefully, he negotiates a deal before the 22nd. That way they Patriots can pull it and then tag Graham. I think they can do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted February 17, 2007 Author Share Posted February 17, 2007 Pats have so many TE's I get their names confused. Why do you feel should we stay FAR away from him? Because he's not a WR-caliber receiver like Gates/Gonzo/Shockey? Kid can block & Chad has never made use of TE's as receivers. I don't care if he doesn't run a 4.6 fory. Because we have a fine TE in Chris Baker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 Baker's blocking leaves a lot to be desired. Not Doug Jolley level, but not nearly enough for a man that size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted February 17, 2007 Author Share Posted February 17, 2007 Baker blocks like a girl. Thats why Mangini was saying all year how hard he was working at blocking and how much better he was getting? Baker is a FINE TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 Pats have so many TE's I get their names confused. Why do you feel should we stay FAR away from him? Because he's not a WR-caliber receiver like Gates/Gonzo/Shockey? Kid can block & Chad has never made use of TE's as receivers. I don't care if he doesn't run a 4.6 fory. The Pats need to keep Graham. He's a great run blocker as well as the guy who saves Matt Light's arse on passing downs. Can he catch? Sometimes. He had a huge catch in the Super Bowl against Carolina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 Thats why Mangini was saying all year how hard he was working at blocking and how much better he was getting? Baker is a FINE TE. I'm all for upgrades from fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted February 17, 2007 Author Share Posted February 17, 2007 I'm all for upgrades from fine.Graham isn't an upgrade from Baker. Just because a player was on NE doesn't mean he's great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 He was looking at least that much in signing bonus and probably a hell of alot more. Then get a salary & bonus on top of that. Hopefully, he negotiates a deal before the 22nd. That way they Patriots can pull it and then tag Graham. I think they can do that. That's a great point. Non-Pats fans have no idea how valuable Graham is to the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted February 17, 2007 Author Share Posted February 17, 2007 That's a great point. Non-Pats fans have no idea how valuable Graham is to the offense. Graham is a complete non impact player and you'll see that by the mid level contract he gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 Graham isn't an upgrade from Baker. Just because a player was on NE doesn't mean he's great. Graham is much better than Baker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted February 17, 2007 Author Share Posted February 17, 2007 Graham is much better than Baker. Why? Because he's on the patsies? And that fact alone makes him better then any jet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 I don't think Asante will be disappointed by the franchise tag. I don't know what his salary was before but it was nowhere near $8 million a season. If some team matches the bid that would be great as well. That would give the Pats four 1st round picks. how would you know that he will not be dissapointed. did he tell you that when he was giving you the shaft last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 Why? Because he's on the patsies? And that fact alone makes him better then any jet? He is a great blocker. He has alot better hands then his numbers suggest because he keeps Brady standing upright. If he goes to another team he will easily top 50 cathes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted February 17, 2007 Author Share Posted February 17, 2007 He is a great blocker. He has alot better hands then his numbers suggest because he keeps Brady standing upright. If he goes to another team he will easily top 50 cathes. lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oktaren Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 Graham is a complete non impact player and you'll see that by the mid level contract he gets. all the better if we sign him on the cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted February 17, 2007 Author Share Posted February 17, 2007 all the better if we sign him on the cheap we won't be signing him because WE DON'T NEED HIM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oktaren Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 we won't be signing him because WE DON'T NEED HIM. you can always use another good player. and he is a very good player. nothing wrong with having 2 good tight ends. god knows we need one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 we won't be signing him because WE DON'T NEED HIM. Whatever. If he signs with the Jets, Baker will be lucky to see the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted February 17, 2007 Author Share Posted February 17, 2007 you can always use another good player. and he is a very good player. nothing wrong with having 2 good tight ends. god knows we need one. what proof do you have that he's a good player? he's not a good player he's completely average and the jets arn't going to waste money on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 Why? Because he's on the patsies? And that fact alone makes him better then any jet? Matt Light has problems with pass rushers like Dwight Freeney and Jason Taylor. Graham is given the job of helping Light. He does the job. Did I mention the fact that he has 17 TD's and is the go to guy for Brady when the Pats are in the redzone. Does the 2006 wildcard game ring a bell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oktaren Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 Whatever. If he signs with the Jets, Baker will be lucky to see the field. i agree, in one tight end sets. baker is a decent player, and i wouldn't mind seeing him in 2 tight end sets in the slightest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted February 17, 2007 Author Share Posted February 17, 2007 Matt Light has problems with pass rushers like Dwight Freeney and Jason Taylor. Graham is given the job of helping Light. He does the job. Did I mention the fact that he has 17 TD's and is the go to guy for Brady when the Pats are in the redzone. Does the 2006 wildcard game ring a bell? So because he was able to run past the HORRIBLE Brad Kassell for a TE that means he's good? LMAO. Go to guy my ass. thats why he hasn't had more then 21 catches the last 2 years. Graham sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oktaren Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 what proof do you have that he's a good player? he's not a good player he's completely average and the jets arn't going to waste money on him. i have eyes. i have watched the guy play. he is a good player. his stats leave something to be desired, but he isn't used as the primary pass catcher in that offense. he isn't even used as a secondary pass catcher on some plays, but the guy can definitely catch. everytime i watch him i am impressed. the guy blocks as good as a tight end can imo. he can catch, he can run after the catch, he runs good routes, he doesn't complain. what else can you ask for. i wouldn't give him a TON of money, but i would sign him to a decent contract. the guy is a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 The agent for Asante Samuel said his client is not upset about the Patriots placing the franchise tag on him. "We don't look at it as a bad thing," Alonzo Shavers said on Friday night. "This is a step in the process in working toward a long-term deal." Asked if Samuel would hold out, Shavers said: "That is not our intention at all." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted February 17, 2007 Author Share Posted February 17, 2007 The agent for Asante Samuel said his client is not upset about the Patriots placing the franchise tag on him. "We don't look at it as a bad thing," Alonzo Shavers said on Friday night. "This is a step in the process in working toward a long-term deal." Asked if Samuel would hold out, Shavers said: "That is not our intention at all." They look at it as a PROCESS TOWARDS A DEAL. And we all know the patsys always take care of their players right? LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 Whatever. If he signs with the Jets, Baker will be lucky to see the field. graham is a blocking TE with so so hands he lacks speed and he is a bad route runner that is why he doesn't have a lot of catches. he is always droping back into pass protection. if he was that good brady would have found a way to get him the ball. as a matter of fact the best pair of hands you have is chad jackson and he is not even a starter yet. if chad jackson can learn to run good routes he could be a probowler. other than him patriots have zero pass catching threats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oktaren Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 The agent for Asante Samuel said his client is not upset about the Patriots placing the franchise tag on him. "We don't look at it as a bad thing," Alonzo Shavers said on Friday night. "This is a step in the process in working toward a long-term deal." Asked if Samuel would hold out, Shavers said: "That is not our intention at all." honestly, i wouldn't blame the guy either way. i can definitely understand him being happy about 7.7 million or whatever he will get, at a minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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