If You Could Move Anywhere In The US, Where Would You Go?

[oktaren]

Hey I agree NYC is a great place with loyts of fun stuff.. but same performers who go there come here. The few Broadway plays you go to a year , you can get on a plane for a weekend in NYC.

My only point we sometimes get bogged down in the few days a year we go to a football game or baseball game and say that I cant move because of that. I can see that train of thought for a unmarried , childless person. But for a married family person why would you bypass for your family a better environement, a better house, lower college costs (15K/year, room/board/tuition) , equal salary (if you are in tech field) etc so you can go to some football games or a few Broadway plays a year. Like I said , if you are blessed with enough income, you can always make a few of those 'enetertaiment' trips a year.

But to each his own.

exactly. same things to do, easier to do it and much less expensive. wait, what am i talking about, nyc is so perfect.

[RSJ]

youngster, my comments started by a poster putting down the souths education,, go back and check and then apologize

And the education in the south does suck.

[mangenious420]

And the education in the south does suck.

Hahahahahaha.

[oktaren]

And the education in the south does suck.

yes, anywhere south of the american/canadian border.

[SouthernJet]

And the education in the south does suck.

its true the overall state by state scores are lower in south. thats because you have still have such a high rural peopulation .

But if you take the southern cities and their adjoining suburbs, those SAT scores are comparable to all other states. In NC that would be the Charlotte, Raleigh/Chapel Hill, Greensboro/Wimstom Salem areas.

So if you want to move to a farm in rural NC, SC or whatever, you will have substandard education. If however, you want to move to a city and its suburbs you will not notice ANY drop.

But to make a blanket overall statement that the education in the South sucks, is somewhat narrow minded.

[RSJ]

its true the overall state by state scores are lower in south. thats because you have still have such a high rural peopulation .

But if you take the southern cities and their adjoining suburbs, those SAT scores are comparable to all other states. In NC that would be the Charlotte, Raleigh/Chapel Hill, Greensboro/Wimstom Salem areas.

So if you want to move to a farm in rural NC, SC or whatever, you will have substandard education. If however, you want to move to a city and its suburbs you will not notice ANY drop.

But to make a blanket overall statement that the education in the South sucks, is somewhat narrow minded.

I agree that there are prolly pockets in the south that beat the average. Just as there are pockets in the north that lag the average. Look I respect the south and will prolly live somewhere down there someday. My wife and I talk about it all the time. Since she is a nurse and I'm an accountant we would probably have no problem finding work, and have much more dispensible income at the end of the day by making the move. But you are really rolling the dice when it comes to educating your child. I have looked into this and that is why I'm sort of familiar with the subject.

[oktaren]

the entire education question is so stupid. you are comparing cities to cities where in most places city schools are terrible no matter where you go. if you want a good public education (i don't believe in going to a private school) then you probably shouldn't be aiming for any city school in the first place.

[SouthernJet]

I agree that there are prolly pockets in the south that beat the average. Just as there are pockets in the north that lag the average. Look I respect the south and will prolly live somewhere down there someday. My wife and I talk about it all the time. Since she is a nurse and I'm an accountant we would probably have no problem finding work, and have much more dispensible income at the end of the day by making the move. But you are really rolling the dice when it comes to educating your child. I have looked into this and that is why I'm sort of familiar with the subject.

well i did to. and i am in friendly way telling you, you are wrong.

you are not rolling the dice IF you move to the Raleigh or Chapel Hill area in NC. and since your wife is a nurse and the Triangle area is called the City of Medicine, cause of Duke and UNC hospitals and you being a accountant , there would be ample employment and a quality education in Raleigh or Chapel Hill.

But I can only speak for this area. I wouldnt move to smaller cities in NC, I agree. But I guarantee you wouldnt have a problem here.

[johnny green balls]

sick of people's stereotypes on this issue, maybe if those northern schools taught you how to read a chart or use google you wouldn't be so ignorant.

as a sidenote, raleigh NC has a higher median income than DC or NYC so you pretty much look stupid calling it a backwater.

http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/Departments/elearning/?article=EducatedCities

City, in order of education rank

Percent of population with college degree or higher

Median household income

1. Seattle, WA 52.7 $49,297

2. San Francisco, CA 50.1 $57,496

3. Raleigh, NC 50.1 $48,131

4. Washington, DC 45.3 $47,221

5. Austin, TX 44.1 $43,731

6. Minneapolis, MN 43.2 $41,829

7. Atlanta, GA 42.4 $39,752

8. Boston, MA 40.9 $42,562

9. San Diego, CA 40.4 $55,637

10. Lexington-Fayette, KY 39.5 $42,442

11. Denver, CO 39.0 $42,370

12. Charlotte, NC 38.8 $47,131

13. Portland, OR 38.8 $42,287

14. St. Paul, MN 36.5 $44,103

15. San Jose, CA 36.1 $70,921

16. Colorado Springs, CO 34.9 $47,854

17. Honolulu, HI 34.7 $50,793

18. Oakland, CA 33.8 $44,124

19. Pittsburgh, PA 32.3 $30,278

20. New York, NY 32.2 $43,434

Source: U.S. Census Bureau, American Community Survey

[oktaren]

sick of people's stereotypes on this issue, maybe if those northern schools taught you how to read a chart or use google you wouldn't be so ignorant.

as a sidenote, raleigh NC has a higher median income than DC or NYC so you pretty much look stupid calling it a backwater.

http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/Departments/elearning/?article=EducatedCities

City, in order of education rank

Percent of population with college degree or higher

Median household income

1. Seattle, WA 52.7 $49,297

2. San Francisco, CA 50.1 $57,496

3. Raleigh, NC 50.1 $48,131

4. Washington, DC 45.3 $47,221

5. Austin, TX 44.1 $43,731

6. Minneapolis, MN 43.2 $41,829

7. Atlanta, GA 42.4 $39,752

8. Boston, MA 40.9 $42,562

9. San Diego, CA 40.4 $55,637

10. Lexington-Fayette, KY 39.5 $42,442

11. Denver, CO 39.0 $42,370

12. Charlotte, NC 38.8 $47,131

13. Portland, OR 38.8 $42,287

14. St. Paul, MN 36.5 $44,103

15. San Jose, CA 36.1 $70,921

16. Colorado Springs, CO 34.9 $47,854

17. Honolulu, HI 34.7 $50,793

18. Oakland, CA 33.8 $44,124

19. Pittsburgh, PA 32.3 $30,278

20. New York, NY 32.2 $43,434

Source: U.S. Census Bureau, American Community Survey

honestly, i agree with you...but this chart shows absolutely nothing.

the ranks are based on the percentage of people with a degree...what does that show? NOTHING AT ALL. people move around like crazy, just because a city has a high rate of degree holding residents doesn't mean they got their degree in that city...it just means there are enough jobs to keep that many degree holding residents employed.

[johnny green balls]

honestly, i agree with you...but this chart shows absolutely nothing.

the ranks are based on the percentage of people with a degree...what does that show? NOTHING AT ALL. people move around like crazy, just because a city has a high rate of degree holding residents doesn't mean they got their degree in that city...

right because a lot of kids of college grads drop out of high school. yeah, that's a common trend. and if all the college educated intelligent people moved to raleigh, i guess it's a dumb place to go, right?

[RSJ]

sick of people's stereotypes on this issue, maybe if those northern schools taught you how to read a chart or use google you wouldn't be so ignorant.

as a sidenote, raleigh NC has a higher median income than DC or NYC so you pretty much look stupid calling it a backwater.

http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/Departments/elearning/?article=EducatedCities

City, in order of education rank

Percent of population with college degree or higher

Median household income

1. Seattle, WA 52.7 $49,297

2. San Francisco, CA 50.1 $57,496

3. Raleigh, NC 50.1 $48,131

4. Washington, DC 45.3 $47,221

5. Austin, TX 44.1 $43,731

6. Minneapolis, MN 43.2 $41,829

7. Atlanta, GA 42.4 $39,752

8. Boston, MA 40.9 $42,562

9. San Diego, CA 40.4 $55,637

10. Lexington-Fayette, KY 39.5 $42,442

11. Denver, CO 39.0 $42,370

12. Charlotte, NC 38.8 $47,131

13. Portland, OR 38.8 $42,287

14. St. Paul, MN 36.5 $44,103

15. San Jose, CA 36.1 $70,921

16. Colorado Springs, CO 34.9 $47,854

17. Honolulu, HI 34.7 $50,793

18. Oakland, CA 33.8 $44,124

19. Pittsburgh, PA 32.3 $30,278

20. New York, NY 32.2 $43,434

Source: U.S. Census Bureau, American Community Survey

The problem with this is that it is not comparing apples to apples. Like SJ just said and I agree the cities in the south are much different than the north. Most of the people that are educated in the north live in the burbs and commute to the cities. In CT it is Greenwhich, New Canaan, Ridgfield, ect. No one with a half a brain would live in Bridgeport, New Haven, or most of Hartford. Stamford CT is the only possible exception to this rule. But again most educated people work there only and commute in.

[oktaren]

right because a lot of kids of college grads drop out of high school. yeah, that's a common trend.

umm...no.

THE CHART IS SHOWING THE AMOUNT OF RESIDENTS IN A CITY WITH A DEGREE...

guess what, ALOT OF PEOPLE MOVE TO CITIES FOR JOBS AFTER THEY GET THE DEGREE...IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE CITIES EDUCATION SYSTEM IS GOOD IN THE SLIGHTEST. it doesn't show that they aren't, but this isn't the chart for this discussion.

the chart is not showing that a cities education system is good or bad, it is showing how many people in that city have a degree.

it is showing that alot of people with a degree live in that city. but those people could have moved there after they got the degree, or they could have moved to that city from somewhere else to go to college and then decided to stay there. or it could have been years since they went to school and they just decided to move to get a better job.

[johnny green balls]

Wake SAT Scores Slip: Local Scores Still Far Ahead of State and National Averages

August 28, 2001 - After six consecutive years of rising scores, the average SAT score for Wake County Public School System seniors slipped by seven points in 2000-2001. The average SAT score was 1054, compared to an all-time high of 1061 achieved in 1999-2000.

Despite the dip, Wake's scores remained substantially higher than the state average of 992 and the national average of 1020. North Carolina's SAT average climbed by four points while the national average rose just one point. Wake's average on the verbal part of the test was 520, two points less than last year. The average on the math section was 534, five points less than last year.

http://www.wcpss.net/news/2001-sat/index.html

raleigh is in wake county.

[johnny green balls]

http://www.forbes.com/realestate/2004/02/13/cx_bs_0213home.html

click "To see our slide show of the Best Cities With the Best Education" slideshow at end of article. Raleigh is #3. continue looking stupid, please.

some of you chumps saying sj didn't do his homework on educational quality before moving to raleigh. obviously you don't know the guy. the guy wouldn't buy his house before personally checking the water tables and airplane routes. he would take the time to research the best brand of bandaid before using it to close a gaping wound.

[oktaren]

http://www.forbes.com/realestate/2004/02/13/cx_bs_0213home.html

click "To see our slide show of the Best Cities With the Best Education" slideshow at end of article. Raleigh is #3. continue looking stupid, please.

YAY, 67% graduation rate, we have finally found the education mecca

[JonEJet]

Charleston, South Carolina. Not a doubt in my mind. We even talk about it from time to time.

I'm living your dream life:)

[RSJ]

Wake SAT Scores Slip: Local Scores Still Far Ahead of State and National Averages

August 28, 2001 - After six consecutive years of rising scores, the average SAT score for Wake County Public School System seniors slipped by seven points in 2000-2001. The average SAT score was 1054, compared to an all-time high of 1061 achieved in 1999-2000.

Despite the dip, Wake's scores remained substantially higher than the state average of 992 and the national average of 1020. North Carolina's SAT average climbed by four points while the national average rose just one point. Wake's average on the verbal part of the test was 520, two points less than last year. The average on the math section was 534, five points less than last year.

http://www.wcpss.net/news/2001-sat/index.html

raleigh is in wake county.

http://anderson-real-estate.com/Overview.htm

Excellent EducationGreenwich Public Schools (10 elementary, 3 middle and 1 high school) are rated first or second in Connecticut—40% of the graduates go to the "Most Competitive Colleges." The school budget is $70 million. The average class size is 20 students and over 90% of the teachers have masters degrees. SAT scores had a mean of 1125 (571 in math and 554 in verbal). Eighty-one percent of the students scored at the Mastery Level set by the State of Connecticut.

YOu will never beat CT schools, period. YOu are comparing yourself to the national average which includes terrible places.

[johnny green balls]

YAY, 67% graduation rate, we have finally found the education mecca

hey, your complaint is with the country's educational system as a whole. the fact that 67% is good enough for #3 may be a sad commentary on the country's educational problems but it still doesn't mean raleigh is worse than northern school systems or that anyone who moves there is "taking a chance" with his kid's education.

[johnny green balls]

http://anderson-real-estate.com/Overview.htm

Excellent EducationGreenwich Public Schools (10 elementary, 3 middle and 1 high school) are rated first or second in Connecticut

[oktaren]

hey, your complaint is with the country's educational system as a whole. the fact that 67% is good enough for #3 may be a sad commentary on the country's educational problems but it still doesn't mean raleigh is worse than northern school systems or that anyone who moves there is "taking a chance" with his kid's education.

you are right, i never said that the education system is worse there, but i do think it is worse in urban areas in general and like i said, the entire argument that one city has such a better education system is ridiculous, as they pretty much all suck.

[shawn306]

The best thing we ever did was move to South Carolina nine months ago.

I have 5 year old twin girls and an 11 year old daughter. I can tell you flat out that the twins are doing alot more in kindgergarten down here then my oldest did in New Jersey.

The school system down here are alot less crowded and the teachers actually have time to teach the students.

I'm making the same money working in Charlotte as an IT administrator that I was in NY/NJ, I have the beach a few hours away in Myrtle. I'm within walking distance of the Bobcats arena. I can see Triple-A baseball (Charlotte Knights) fifteen minutes from where I live and golf courses galore.

You have the mountains about 1 or 2 away if you like skiing. Carowinds amusement park is better than Great Adventure.

The only thing the Carolinas don't have that I miss is a casino with a poker room.

The reason I left is basically because we would never have been able to afford a house in Jersey. The prices and the taxes is what drove us out.

[RSJ]

actually in the forbes article, raleigh is ranked higher than any CT school system. look we can argue all day and maybe CT edges out raleigh i don't know but to say raleigh schools are atrocious is idiotic, at best.

Ridgefield CT

http://www.cteducation.com/ed_indicator_index/ed_indicators_archive/Ridgefield_.html

Math 563

verbal 559

[johnny green balls]

you are right, i never said that the education system is worse there, but i do think it is worse in urban areas in general and like i said, the entire argument that one city has such a better education system is ridiculous, as they pretty much all suck.

i agree with you on that one. CT has higher violent crime rates than NC that's like saying anyone who moves to CT is taking a chance with his kid's safety. there are obviously huge differences in neighborhoods, etc that statewide statistics don't account for. i never said CT or northern schools sucked, i just said raleigh's definitely don't either.

[johnny green balls]

Ridgefield CT

http://www.cteducation.com/ed_indicator_index/ed_indicators_archive/Ridgefield_.html

MATHVERBAL

District563559

ya and chapel hill high school has an average SAT score of 1350. we can both cherry pick statistics all day, the point is by saying raleigh schools sucked i showed you that forbes disagreed and you basically got tooled. stop trying to pretend i said CT schools sucked. that wasn't the argument. you said raleigh's were horrible. you got proven wrong. the sign of a well-educated man is he knows when he's been beat and can admit so gracefully. let's see how good your education really was.

[RSJ]

ya and chapel hill high school has an average SAT score of 1350. we can both cherry pick statistics all day, the point is by saying raleigh schools sucked i showed you that forbes disagreed and you basically got tooled. stop trying to pretend i said CT schools sucked. that wasn't the argument. you said raleigh's were horrible. you got proven wrong. the sign of a well-educated man is he knows when he's been beat and can admit so gracefully. let's see how good your education really was.

Link?

So which is higher NC or CT as a whole?

[oktaren]

i agree with you on that one. CT has higher violent crime rates than NC that's like saying anyone who moves to CT is taking a chance with his kid's safety. there are obviously huge differences in neighborhoods, etc that statewide statistics don't account for. i never said CT or northern schools sucked, i just said raleigh's definitely don't either.

i won't agrue with that.

[johnny green balls]

Link?

So which is higher NC or CT as a whole?

you've created a strawman. i'm not the one who bashed CT schools, hell maybe they are better but raleigh's certainly aren't terrible. stop trying to reframe the argument once you realized your original hypothesis was destroyed for the ignorant fraud that it was.

[joewilly]

The best thing we ever did was move to South Carolina nine months ago.

I have 5 year old twin girls and an 11 year old daughter. I can tell you flat out that the twins are doing alot more in kindgergarten down here then my oldest did in New Jersey.

The school system down here are alot less crowded and the teachers actually have time to teach the students.

I'm making the same money working in Charlotte as an IT administrator that I was in NY/NJ, I have the beach a few hours away in Myrtle. I'm within walking distance of the Bobcats arena. I can see Triple-A baseball (Charlotte Knights) fifteen minutes from where I live and golf courses galore.

You have the mountains about 1 or 2 away if you like skiing. Carowinds amusement park is better than Great Adventure.

The only thing the Carolinas don't have that I miss is a casino with a poker room.

The reason I left is basically because we would never have been able to afford a house in Jersey. The prices and the taxes is what drove us out.

glad to hear it shawn, wherabouts in sc are you. I spent time in greenville & surrounding areas & thought it was beautiful.

I loved my time in the rocky mts as well.

[DHJF]

[shawn306]

glad to hear it shawn, wherabouts in sc are you. I spent time in greenville & surrounding areas & thought it was beautiful.

I loved my time in the rocky mts as well.

I'm in Rock Hill. It's about 20 miles south of Charlotte. Basically on the North and South Carolina border.

We did some driving around last summer hitting Columbia and spending alot of time in North Myrtle. This summer we will hit myrtle again (I love Myrtle) and Charleston as well.

I have to give my wife credit though. She wanted to do this move more than I did.

It was a tough decision leaving family, friends, and an area that you knew all your life but in the long I know it was the right one.

[RSJ]

you've created a strawman. i'm not the one who bashed CT schools, hell maybe they are better but raleigh's certainly aren't terrible. stop trying to reframe the argument once you realized your original hypothesis was destroyed for the ignorant fraud that it was.

The north's educational system as a whole is better. That is what I originally said and I stick by my statement.

[johnny green balls]

The north's educational system as a whole is better. That is what I originally said and I stick by my statement.

your argument shifts more than mangini's defense. i learned it's pointless to beat a dead horse. you were completely exposed by a product of the yokel raleigh school system. i'm done here-- that's the only statistic i need. when you're ready to stop taking chances with your children's safety we can help you find a nice place to live in statistically lower violent crime NC.

[JonEJet]

Shawn ALMOST made it down to where he would have loved to live...CHarleston

Just so you know Shawn, you can go to Harrahs in Cherokee, and there are Casino boats out of Myrtle

BTW....you can have Myrtle

[shawn306]

Shawn ALMOST made it down to where he would have loved to live...CHarleston

Just so you know Shawn, you can go to Harrahs in Cherokee, and there are Casino boats out of Myrtle

BTW....you can have Myrtle

I thought Harrahs was just slots ? I have done the casino boats out of Myrtle they were mediocre at best.

I'm gonna have to hit you up this year for Charleston though.