Alk Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 Man, that is just terrible... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17372104/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 That poor kid's mother is a clueless idiot. An abscessed tooth is some dangerous **** you don't mess around with. RIP Kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny green balls Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 terrible. headline should be, "child dies of stupid parent." boomboom, take note, take care of your teeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 I had like $1,400 in dental bills this year... caught up on a bunch of stuff... I really wish I had dental insurance... our government needs to step up, its really hard to afford this stuff when you run your own business... and all we ever hear is how small business is what america is made of... then they dont help us... AT the very least, the government needs to cover both a physical and dental checkup once a year, then provide some sort of support for larger work. Even something like the goverment stepping in a paying the bill to the doctor/dentist and you pay back the government... THe other problem I have seen is the few places that usually take medicade (spelling) and other things arent exactly where I would want to go have my teeth fixed... Overall this is a stupid mother though, a toothbrush and toothpaste a couple times a day could have prevented this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oktaren Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 I had like $1,400 in dental bills this year... caught up on a bunch of stuff... I really wish I had dental insurance... our government needs to step up, its really hard to afford this stuff when you run your own business... and all we ever hear is how small business is what america is made of... then they dont help us... AT the very least, the government needs to cover both a physical and dental checkup once a year, then provide some sort of support for larger work. Even something like the goverment stepping in a paying the bill to the doctor/dentist and you pay back the government... yes, because the government is responsible for you not taking care of yourself in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny green balls Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 yes, because the government is responsible for you not taking care of yourself in the first place. wow, didn't expect this comment from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 yes, because the government is responsible for you not taking care of yourself in the first place. I was on state health care in my late teens, the dentist I basically was forced to see sucked. I finally saved up enough money to go to a real dentist and get all of his mistakes fixed, some of them got pretty bad though. So yes it was the states fault they had a ****ty plan that only covered the worst dentist ever and forced me to go back and have twice as much work done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny green balls Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 I was on state health care in my late teens, the dentist I basically was forced to see sucked. I finally saved up enough money to go to a real dentist and get all of his mistakes fixed, some of them got pretty bad though. So yes it was the states fault they had a ****ty plan that only covered the worst dentist ever and forced me to go back and have twice as much work done. actually, that's a flaw of government-sponsored anything. without the free market, everything will eventually suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oktaren Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 I was on state health care in my late teens, the dentist I basically was forced to see sucked. I finally saved up enough money to go to a real dentist and get all of his mistakes fixed, some of them got pretty bad though. So yes it was the states fault they had a ****ty plan that only covered the worst dentist ever and forced me to go back and have twice as much work done. maybe you or your parents should have better jobs that either have insurance or can afford insurance. i don't see how its the governments responsibility to give you better insurance. so no, it wasn't the states fault you didn't have better insurance, it is whoever is the working or supposed to be working participant in the family. also, if you took care of your teeth in the first place, you probably wouldn't have to see the dentist as many people don't see dentists for years and eyars at a time without any problems. hey, i know how it is, i have no insurance and haven't since i got out of school and got a job. before then i was eligible for fidelis because i basically made no money while in college. but, i won't complain that the government isn't taking care of me. no one really has a right to insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 actually, that's a flaw of government-sponsored anything. without the free market, everything will eventually suck. I know I just dont want to be blamed for a crappy dentists work, at the time I didnt really have a choice... I have actually been to a few meeting with our state leaders and discussed health care issues and stuff... they know what the problems are, they dont have the money to fix them... At least in my case, CT is working on something by itself and not waiting/hoping for the federal government to step up... Problem is untill then there are dozens of people everyday now getting into the same trouble I did with a bad dentist... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oktaren Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 wow, didn't expect this comment from you. don't be too quick to judge. im all for personal responsibility! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 also, if you took care of your teeth in the first place, you probably wouldn't have to see the dentist as many people don't see dentists for years and eyars at a time without any problems. Amen..my dental insurance covers cleaning and preventative maintenance 100%..so I go every 6 months for a cleaning. I floss my teeth every day..and I haven't had a cavity in over 12 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny green balls Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 I know I just dont want to be blamed for a crappy dentists work, at the time I didnt really have a choice... I have actually been to a few meeting with our state leaders and discussed health care issues and stuff... they know what the problems are, they dont have the money to fix them... At least in my case, CT is working on something by itself and not waiting/hoping for the federal government to step up... Problem is untill then there are dozens of people everyday now getting into the same trouble I did with a bad dentist... the only option is to give the disadvantaged a type of debit card that can be spent like cash at any doctor of their choice to offset their healthcare costs. imagine what would happen if the gov't came into your business and said "we will buy your products but because we're the gov't we have purchasing power and think you should sell them to us for half the price and you'll have to fill out a bunch of paperwork to boot." you'd either tell them to buzz off or you'd take their deal if you were really desperate. guess who is desperate enough to take the deal offered by medicaid? really sh*tty dentists. the debit card idea at least gives some freedom of choice and disincentivates dentists trying to "treat" as many people as possible (who have no choice and have to come to them) as poorly as possible to get the pittance paid by medicaid--and even though it'll cost $ in taxes--it'll prevent as dramatic a degredation in healthcare like the current medicaid/medicare system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Of Bavaria Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 don't be too quick to judge. im all for personal responsibility! Oktaren and I have something in common afterall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 maybe you or your parents should have better jobs that either have insurance or can afford insurance. i don't see how its the governments responsibility to give you better insurance. so no, it wasn't the states fault you didn't have better insurance, it is whoever is the working or supposed to be working participant in the family. also, if you took care of your teeth in the first place, you probably wouldn't have to see the dentist as many people don't see dentists for years and eyars at a time without any problems. hey, i know how it is, i have no insurance and haven't since i got out of school and got a job. before then i was eligible for fidelis because i basically made no money while in college. but, i won't complain that the government isn't taking care of me. no one really has a right to insurance. My Mom works a local government funded job in healthcare, when I was younger they decided to cutback on healthcare and force people under 19 on their parents healthcare to go on state health care (which sucks at the time, its getting better and better.... but still not there) I did take care of my teeth, I had not one cavity (spelling) until I was 14 years old... I got a couple when I was about 16-17 and thats when I met this dentist who manged to botch both fillings... Fast Foreward.... I never had the money to get a checkup and I always took good care of my teeth, not to mention after meeting that last dentist I was scared to death of dentists in general... Now a few months ago I needed to get 2 new fillings (small ones, not too bad), and I needed some major work on the ****ty job my state provided dentist gave me. Look we have different outlooks on how things work, you dont think people deserve insurance from the government, and I do. They should at least HELP us with insurance. I own a buisiness in a small town, there are about 25 stores in my downtown area. We are a major reason that people move to the town, a nice downtown shopping area, our town needs us to be what it is, the state needs our town for tax money, and the federal government needs our state for money. If everyone like me closed up shop for a job with healthcare benifits, it wouldnt matter the economy would crumble.... Im not bashing my own line of work, I love what I do... but I could really use some help insurance wise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 the only option is to give the disadvantaged a type of debit card that can be spent like cash at any doctor of their choice to offset their healthcare costs. imagine what would happen if the gov't came into your business and said "we will buy your products but because we're the gov't we have purchasing power and think you should sell them to us for half the price and you'll have to fill out a bunch of paperwork to boot." you'd either tell them to buzz off or you'd take their deal if you were really desperate. guess who is desperate enough to take the deal offered by medicaid? really sh*tty dentists. the debit card idea at least gives some freedom of choice and disincentivates dentists trying to "treat" as many people as possible (who have no choice and have to come to them) as poorly as possible to get the pittance paid by medicaid--and even though it'll cost $ in taxes--it'll prevent as dramatic a degredation in healthcare like the current medicaid/medicare system. They need to think of something... and I sell stuff to schools, government agencies, and special groups for little or no profit... I know exactly how doctors feel... I am not asking for FREE healthcare, it would be nice but I know its not going to happen. I would rather just have a decent healthcare that isnt really expensive... All the state needs to do is work out a plan where you get good prices becuase of the large amount of people on the plan... Most private health & dental plans for me are a few hundred bucks a month, I cant afford that so I take the risk that I wont get sick... Now lets say my car slides off the road tommorow and I get in a bad accident, between hostpital bills and such I will now be in debt for the rest of my life... ALl I want is the government to step up and provide AFFORDABLE healthcare based on your income... the less you make, the more help you get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.S. Dylan Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 The mom was pretty brain dead but that doesnt mean that the kid should have died over this.. like the article says it was an 80 dollar cost to get the tooth pulled. We pay a ****load of taxes to these old white guys for jack ****. Personal responsibility is one thing but **** happens and it needs to be taken care of and if it doesnt, this happens. The medicaid denstists are not something you want to **** around with. Most dont speak english and i dont even know how they got their licenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oktaren Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 My Mom works a local government funded job in healthcare, when I was younger they decided to cutback on healthcare and force people under 19 on their parents healthcare to go on state health care (which sucks at the time, its getting better and better.... but still not there) I did take care of my teeth, I had not one cavity (spelling) until I was 14 years old... I got a couple when I was about 16-17 and thats when I met this dentist who manged to botch both fillings... Fast Foreward.... I never had the money to get a checkup and I always took good care of my teeth, not to mention after meeting that last dentist I was scared to death of dentists in general... Now a few months ago I needed to get 2 new fillings (small ones, not too bad), and I needed some major work on the ****ty job my state provided dentist gave me. Look we have different outlooks on how things work, you dont think people deserve insurance from the government, and I do. They should at least HELP us with insurance. I own a buisiness in a small town, there are about 25 stores in my downtown area. We are a major reason that people move to the town, a nice downtown shopping area, our town needs us to be what it is, the state needs our town for tax money, and the federal government needs our state for money. If everyone like me closed up shop for a job with healthcare benifits, it wouldnt matter the economy would crumble.... Im not bashing my own line of work, I love what I do... but I could really use some help insurance wise... thats great, use some of the money you make at your business and get yourself some insurance. in many states you can even pay your health insurance costs out of your pre taxed income. so that should save you some dough. if not, deal with the problem of not having it. i haven't had insurance for over 3 years and guess what, i am a very unhealthy person, but im not bitching and moaning for someone else to do something about it. i am only 27 years old and i have a herniated disc in my back, i get kidney stones, i get migraine headaches at least once a week and i have terribly ****ty teeth. in fact, my ****ty teeth have actually been pretty good for the past few years until the last week or so when i have had one tooth crack and another tooth lose half its crown. the fact is that isn't the governments fault or responsibility. that is my fault and bad luck. for now i have to live with the pain, whenever i change jobs hopefully i will get insurance, until then, i like many others will have to deal with it. insurance is not a right, it isn't even a real need. yeah, its wanted, so that people can slack off with their health and they can have someone else foot the bill. yeah, a want, but not a need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 thats great, use some of the money you make at your business and get yourself some insurance. in many states you can even pay your health insurance costs out of your pre taxed income. so that should save you some dough. if not, deal with the problem of not having it. i haven't had insurance for over 3 years and guess what, i am a very unhealthy person, but im not bitching and moaning for someone else to do something about it. i am only 27 years old and i have a herniated disc in my back, i get kidney stones, i get migraine headaches at least once a week and i have terribly ****ty teeth. in fact, my ****ty teeth have actually been pretty good for the past few years until the last week or so when i have had one tooth crack and another tooth lose half its crown. the fact is that isn't the governments fault or responsibility. that is my fault and bad luck. for now i have to live with the pain, whenever i change jobs hopefully i will get insurance, until then, i like many others will have to deal with it. insurance is not a right, it isn't even a real need. yeah, its wanted, so that people can slack off with their health and they can have someone else foot the bill. yeah, a want, but not a need. I dont want to get into politics here and thats where we are headed... let just say IM not stupid and I know all of my options for insurance already... most of which I cannot afford right now. I am in my 20's as well and I had a bad accident when working (before I owned my store) when I had a heatstroke, fell 30ft off of a roof and broke my back and pelvis. Lucky for me the person I worked for had good workmans comp and all $250,000 of my hospital bills and such were covered. Just trust me when I tell you this, you are mistaken if you think that most people can afford healthcare, and you are mistaken if you dont think it is a VERY big problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oktaren Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 I dont want to get into politics here and thats where we are headed... let just say IM not stupid and I know all of my options for insurance already... most of which I cannot afford right now. I am in my 20's as well and I had a bad accident when working (before I owned my store) when I had a heatstroke, fell 30ft off of a roof and broke my back and pelvis. Lucky for me the person I worked for had good workmans comp and all $250,000 of my hospital bills and such were covered. Just trust me when I tell you this, you are mistaken if you think that most people can afford healthcare, and you are mistaken if you dont think it is a VERY big problem. well, insurance must not be too big of a priority, or you would have found a way to get it. i could pay $200 or so for my part of my insurance premium here at work, but i would rather use that money on something else. that is MY decision. it would be close to all of my spending money after figuring in everything else. but guess what, if i HAD to have health insurance, im sure i could figure out a way. AND AGAIN...im not saying the majority of people can afford healthcare, what i am saying is that its not the governments fault. insurance is not a necessity. it hasn't even been around very long. what is a bigger problem is people getting onto insurance and using it for non emergency purposes. that is what raises health care costs. instead of caring about insurance, you should be worried about keeping health costs at a minimum and keeping yourself healthy in the first place, something insurance does not care about. like you said, good thing your boss had workmans comp, without it you would have had to sue him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon88 Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 The mom was pretty brain dead but that doesnt mean that the kid should have died over this.. like the article says it was an 80 dollar cost to get the tooth pulled. We pay a ****load of taxes to these old white guys for jack ****. Personal responsibility is one thing but **** happens and it needs to be taken care of and if it doesnt, this happens. The medicaid denstists are not something you want to **** around with. Most dont speak english and i dont even know how they got their licenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 well, insurance must not be too big of a priority, or you would have found a way to get it. i could pay $200 or so for my part of my insurance premium here at work, but i would rather use that money on something else. that is MY decision. it would be close to all of my spending money after figuring in everything else. but guess what, if i HAD to have health insurance, im sure i could figure out a way. AND AGAIN...im not saying the majority of people can afford healthcare, what i am saying is that its not the governments fault. insurance is not a necessity. it hasn't even been around very long. what is a bigger problem is people getting onto insurance and using it for non emergency purposes. that is what raises health care costs. instead of caring about insurance, you should be worried about keeping health costs at a minimum and keeping yourself healthy in the first place, something insurance does not care about. like you said, good thing your boss had workmans comp, without it you would have had to sue him. Hey I choose not to pay for my healthcare basically becuase at 300x12months I would be looking at 3,600 a year... in 2006 I paid about $300 in doctor/dental bills out of pocket... What worries me is BIGGER things... I see and understand both sides of the fight..... so I really dont like fighting like this beciase Im not 100% on either side... Im very much on the fence... just leaning to one side of it... lol Can we please just enjoy this jumping bannana? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 Hey I choose not to pay for my healthcare basically becuase at 300x12months I would be looking at 3,600 a year... in 2006 I paid about $300 in doctor/dental bills out of pocket... What worries me is BIGGER things... I see and understand both sides of the fight..... so I really dont like fighting like this beciase Im not 100% on either side... Im very much on the fence... just leaning to one side of it... lol Can we please just enjoy this jumping bannana? how tall is the fence you're on ecurb? don't fall buddy as your not insured. you both bring up good points. I noticed johnny stepped aside on this issue & you know why? because it's the folks in his profession who drive up the cost of healthcare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny green balls Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 how tall is the fence you're on ecurb? don't fall buddy as your not insured. you both bring up good points. I noticed johnny stepped aside on this issue & you know why? because it's the folks in his profession who drive up the cost of healthcare nah, i was just tied up-- had to go tell some gay dude to keep his hands off my fiancee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 nah, i was just tied up-- had to go tell some gay dude to keep his hands off my fiancee. you were gone quite a while johnny. i'm talkin a few drinks & a backrub while. anything ya wanna tell us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny green balls Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 you were gone quite a while johnny. i'm talkin a few drinks & a backrub while. anything ya wanna tell us? haha potw nom damn you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 thats great, use some of the money you make at your business and get yourself some insurance. in many states you can even pay your health insurance costs out of your pre taxed income. so that should save you some dough. if not, deal with the problem of not having it. i haven't had insurance for over 3 years and guess what, i am a very unhealthy person, but im not bitching and moaning for someone else to do something about it. i am only 27 years old and i have a herniated disc in my back, i get kidney stones, i get migraine headaches at least once a week and i have terribly ****ty teeth. in fact, my ****ty teeth have actually been pretty good for the past few years until the last week or so when i have had one tooth crack and another tooth lose half its crown. the fact is that isn't the governments fault or responsibility. that is my fault and bad luck. for now i have to live with the pain, whenever i change jobs hopefully i will get insurance, until then, i like many others will have to deal with it. insurance is not a right, it isn't even a real need. yeah, its wanted, so that people can slack off with their health and they can have someone else foot the bill. yeah, a want, but not a need. You really think it is that simple? Typical Health insirance costs upwards of 800-1000 a month including dental for a self employed individual. That could be upwards of 10-12k a year. Considering the national income average is about 25k, how is he expected to live? His insurance better cover the IV feeding him because he'd die of starvation otherwise. Let's say he's doing pretty decent and netting 50k a year, it's still over 20% of his annual income to cover his health expenses. Throw rent/mortgage into the equation and it is nearly impossible to get by. While I agee it's not the government's outright responsibility to pay all his insurance, they absolutely should help. Consider this, insurance costs are the number one reason why many companies choose to employ illegal aliens. The savings those companies gain by not paying workers comp and health ins far outweigh the savings of paying them slightly less per hour than an american worker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oktaren Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 You really think it is that simple? Typical Health insirance costs upwards of 800-1000 a month including dental for a self employed individual. That could be upwards of 10-12k a year. Considering the national income average is about 25k, how is he expected to live? His insurance better cover the IV feeding him because he'd die of starvation otherwise. Let's say he's doing pretty decent and netting 50k a year, it's still over 20% of his annual income to cover his health expenses. Throw rent/mortgage into the equation and it is nearly impossible to get by. While I agee it's not the government's outright responsibility to pay all his insurance, they absolutely should help. Consider this, insurance costs are the number one reason why many companies choose to employ illegal aliens. The savings those companies gain by not paying workers comp and health ins far outweigh the savings of paying them slightly less per hour than an american worker. first of all, i disagree with about everything you said. if insurance was that important to the person, then they would find a way to get it. second, every state has programs in place to give you or help you with insurance if you are under certain income limits. i know you can make close to 30k and able to get pretty much free insurance in nys even if you are single and have no dependents. third, if a person is paying 1000k per person for insurance, they obviously have no research skills and are too stupid to "deserve" insurance anyways... fourth...when did it become necessary to have insurance anyways? for thousands and thousands of years people somehow got by without insurance. all of a sudden in the late 19th century health insurance as we know it is invented and its a right? i disagree 1000% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verde Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Hey I choose not to pay for my healthcare basically becuase at 300x12months I would be looking at 3,600 a year... in 2006 I paid about $300 in doctor/dental bills out of pocket... What worries me is BIGGER things... I see and understand both sides of the fight..... so I really dont like fighting like this beciase Im not 100% on either side... Im very much on the fence... just leaning to one side of it... lol Can we please just enjoy this jumping bannana? A broken back and pelvis? Ouch. I feel for you, ecurb! Besides, I LOVEEE the jumping banana! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 No more snipes at British people having poor dental hygene, please. Poor kid. How easily preventable this could have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 A broken back and pelvis? Ouch. I feel for you, ecurb! Besides, I LOVEEE the jumping banana! The bannana rocks... the broken back and pelvis... not so much! Glad that is over with... but not looking ahead to the back pain in my 60's and 70's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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