bitonti Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 apparently Vilma is on the trading block sources out of WAS (which I dismissed as bunk not too long ago) were probably true. Unless the Jets are engaging in serious time wasting activity, this player really _is_ on the block. there is just too much smoke for there not to be fire. the Jets run a tight ship, we all know this - no real leaks - but trades involve other parties and there are just too many stories out of too many markets - PIT, PHI, STL, WAS, JAC beat writers/blogs/boards all basically reporting/rumbling/mentioning the same thing. Vilma is on the block. Name a 4-3 team they are interested. i suspect if this occurs it will be because the Jets want to target someone really up the chain like Gaines Adams, Adrian Peterson or Carriker, depending on which 4-3 team puts up the best first round pick. also if it occurs it will be because the Jets want to have someone inside about 20-40 pounds heavier who can deal with shucking guards. when i say prepare yourselves i mean it because this drama might not really play itself out until draft day. we could speculate for months and find Apr29 Vilma is still a Jet. Really tough to know how this will play out... the only way this gets done early is if someone offers up a real player and the picks become irrelivant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 That would be interesting. This regime has proven a lot in 1 year so they get some rope here. I just think it would be weird if they trade Vilma and take a DE on Draft Day. Who is moving inside? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 This is good news I want the Jets to shop Vilma,but they should only pull the trigger for the right deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbia Jet Fan Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Hate the news and am skeptical that it would happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 apparently Vilma is on the trading block sources out of WAS (which I dismissed as bunk not too long ago) were probably true. Unless the Jets are engaging in serious time wasting activity, this player really _is_ on the block. there is just too much smoke for there not to be fire. the Jets run a tight ship, we all know this - no real leaks - but trades involve other parties and there are just too many stories out of too many markets - PIT, PHI, STL, WAS, JAC beat writers/blogs/boards all basically reporting/rumbling/mentioning the same thing. Vilma is on the block. Name a 4-3 team they are interested. i suspect if this occurs it will be because the Jets want to target someone really up the chain like Gaines Adams, Adrian Peterson or Carriker, depending on which 4-3 team puts up the best first round pick. also if it occurs it will be because the Jets want to have someone inside about 20-40 pounds heavier who can deal with shucking guards. when i say prepare yourselves i mean it because this drama might not really play itself out until draft day. we could speculate for months and find Apr29 Vilma is still a Jet. Really tough to know how this will play out... the only way this gets done early is if someone offers up a real player and the picks become irrelivant. I read some stories this year in the papers that said Mangini gave Vilma tapes of Bruschi to see how he adapted to the 3-4. It took Bruschi a few seasons to become a good LB in the 3-4. I think the Jets will stick with Vilma. As you know Bit; the 3-4 starts with a dominant DL. The Jets don't have that right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 2, 2007 Author Share Posted March 2, 2007 Hate the news and am skeptical that it would happen. ah denial, i remember that stage fondly a couple days ago when the news came out of DC note that they could very well shop Vilma for months and not find the right deal on draft day but the fact is they are shopping him -that much is apparently happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTJ06 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 That would be interesting. This regime has proven a lot in 1 year so they get some rope here. I just think it would be weird if they trade Vilma and take a DE on Draft Day. Who is moving inside?[/quote] Y Schlegel of course..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 2, 2007 Author Share Posted March 2, 2007 I read some stories this year in the papers that said Mangini gave Vilma tapes of Bruschi to see how he adapted to the 3-4. It took Bruschi a few seasons to become a good LB in the 3-4. I think the Jets will stick with Vilma. As you know Bit; the 3-4 starts with a dominant DL. The Jets don't have that right now. Gainzo i also believe in Jon Vilma and also believe he can play well in any defense. Am not posting this thread b/c i want it to happen. It's newsworthy though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Fine by me. Jonathan Vilma is not an ideal fit for a 3-4 defensive scheme and we have the ability to move Victor Hobson inside to pair up with Eric Barton, that way we can either target Joey Porter, Tully Banta Cain, Adalius Thomas or a soon to be Draftee as an OLB. I would love to get some more draft picks OR a proven veteran NFL back to pair up with Leon, in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Gainzo i also believe in Jon Vilma and also believe he can play well in any defense. Am not posting this thread b/c i want it to happen. It's newsworthy though. It's very newsworthy, but I can't see Mangini giving up on Vilma after one season in the 3-4. He will be fine unless he continues to get tied up by O-lineman and fullbacks next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTJ06 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 It's very newsworthy, but I can't see Mangini giving up on Vilma after one season in the 3-4. He will be fine unless he continues to get tied up by O-lineman and fullbacks next season. Im not sure if its neccessarily Mangini giving up on him. I remember hearing on sports radio one day driving home them saying that Vilma was unhappy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetCane Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 apparently Vilma is on the trading block. Thanks for the heads up. So if it happens, I wont be floored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 this could be a risky move taking away the heart and soul of your defense. I do not like the move too much but agree last year was a tough one for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I have to trust Mangini knows what it takes to be effective with a 3-4 collectively as a unit and individually. Vilma has done nothing wrong here and would again be a monster in the right situation. I'd rather do it now when we can get maximum compensation for him then have him turn out as a so-so contributor. He's a good ball player with a great head and heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 That would be interesting. This regime has proven a lot in 1 year so they get some rope here. I just think it would be weird if they trade Vilma and take a DE on Draft Day. Who is moving inside? You know that feeling in your gut when mommy punches daddy? Yeah...is like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbia Jet Fan Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 this could be a risky move taking away the heart and soul of your defense. I do not like the move too much but agree last year was a tough one for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Fine by me. Jonathan Vilma is not an ideal fit for a 3-4 defensive scheme and we have the ability to move Victor Hobson inside to pair up with Eric Barton, that way we can either target Joey Porter, Tully Banta Cain, Adalius Thomas or a soon to be Draftee as an OLB. I would love to get some more draft picks OR a proven veteran NFL back to pair up with Leon, in return. WTF? Vilma > Banta-Cain (one trick pony) > Porter (washed up). C'mon mate. Who is better for the Jets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 WTF? Vilma > Banta-Cain (one trick pony) > Porter (washed up). C'mon mate. Who is better for the Jets? Joey Porter. He is NOT washed up. One down season does not mean that he is washed up... I would love Joey Porter in Jet Green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verde Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Mixed feelings about this. Figures, I just bought his jersey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I read some stories this year in the papers that said Mangini gave Vilma tapes of Bruschi to see how he adapted to the 3-4. It took Bruschi a few seasons to become a good LB in the 3-4. I think the Jets will stick with Vilma. As you know Bit; the 3-4 starts with a dominant DL. The Jets don't have that right now. I agree, I'm inclined to think Vilma stays. But his trade value may be too much greater than his current play to not make a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Joey Porter. He is NOT washed up. One down season does not mean that he is washed up... I would love Joey Porter in Jet Green. Porter is an ego maniac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 If Vilma is traded, he will have very quietly told the Jets to do it - dont be naive. He hates the 3-4, any 4-3 MLB hates the 3-4, esp a small guy like Vilma who really struggled in the system and has no upside in it. He's not an idiot, he can see that. He was pissed as hell when he found out Mangini was the new HC and was gonna put in the 3-4 defense, he even admitted that. Vilma is by far my favorite Jet player - I got his auto mini helmet, his jersey - I love the guy. But just like any other player on our team - they arent bigger than the team. So if Mangini sees it fit to trade him, I will not make a fuss about it, assuming it nets us a high pick in a trade (pick + vilma) to get us an impact guy like Alan Branch or Adrian Peterson. I do not think Adrian Peterson makes it past cleveland, but you never know, this is the browns we're talkin' about here. Alan Branch could be our target should we trade up with the skins, who apparently want to get rid of Clinton Portis in a trade as well. This will get interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 If trading Vilma nets us Gaines Adams or Alan Branch and another lower round pick I am all for it. Otherwise it wouldn't be worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Unless we're getting back a no 1 pick + a usefull player, they should keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baamf Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 These rumors have been swirling for weeks now. It's the FO's job to give this its due diligence. If value can be had in a trade, that they believe will improve this team, they have to pull the trigger. In my opinion, there is nobody on this team right now that is untouchable..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyCans Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I really want JV to stay...although he did not produce like it, he was the core of this defense this year...If anyone can learn this defense and excel, its Vilma. I cant see trading a top tier MLB/ILB entering his prime. If they are attempting to move up, i think its Branch they are after. I could see us coming out of the trade with Branch and Portis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I don't understand how some of you want him to get traded. Vilma did not have a good first year in the 3-4. Why trade him ? He is not only the captain and leader of our defense, preety much he is our defense. I don't understand why trading him would help this team. I JUST DON'T GET IT. Why trade him ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTJ06 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I don't understand how some of you want him to get traded. Vilma did not have a good first year in the 3-4. Why trade him ? He is not only the captain and leader of our defense, preety much he is our defense. I don't understand why trading him would help this team. I JUST DON'T GET IT. Why trade him ? Ghost, What if vilma is the one who wants out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I don't understand how some of you want him to get traded. Vilma did not have a good first year in the 3-4. Why trade him ? He is not only the captain and leader of our defense, preety much he is our defense. I don't understand why trading him would help this team. I JUST DON'T GET IT. Why trade him ? I had this debate with boozer a few months ago, I said Vilma would eventually be gone from the Jets and soon. Its just a fact. He's too small for the 3-4. The 3-4 is all about plugging holes, filling gaps and from vilma position, going up agaisnt guards. Vilma is a lost cause in the 3-4. Trade him before he gets seriously injured by a guard and his value goes down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I had this debate with boozer a few months ago, I said Vilma would eventually be gone from the Jets and soon. Its just a fact. He's too small for the 3-4. The 3-4 is all about plugging holes, filling gaps and from vilma position, going up agaisnt guards. Vilma is a lost cause in the 3-4. Trade him before he gets seriously injured by a guard and his value goes down. I agree, I'm not sure he is gonna be worth more to us playing then he well be as trade bait. Why wait for him to suck for 1-2 more years and he gets hurt or his trade value goes down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I still do not see it happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbia Jet Fan Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Yea, or he does what a lot of other guys do in the 3-4 apparently and improves and becomes a dominant player... And we trade him for a draft pick.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSFAN5180 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Vilma is not going anywhere.STOP the nonsense Mangini is not gonna trade or give up on him.This guy is defensive talent with BRAINS. ENOUGH OF THE NONSENSE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Ghost, What if vilma is the one who wants out? I dougt he wants out. This is his first year and I know he can do way better. He had a bad year, Vilma even knows that. I got something for you guys. http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/493101 Whats the diffrence between the 2005 and 2006 stats. 56 tackles and 1/2 sack ? He is a dominate MLB and I simply think giving him away is wrong. There is no way in hell we should trade Vilma unless its a TOP 5 pick. I am sorry I do not agree with giving him away and its wrong in my book. But then again who the hell am I ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviot Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Would moving him to OLB be a better fit for him in the 3-4? I would hate to see him go. He had a down year, but he's a great guy and a great player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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