Smizzy Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Texans | Team has had discussions with T. Henry Sat, 3 Mar 2007 19:44:10 -0800 Len Pasquarelli, of ESPN.com, reports the Houston Texans have had discussions with free agent RB Travis Henry (Titans). Raiders | Team has had discussions with T. Henry Sat, 3 Mar 2007 19:42:24 -0800 Len Pasquarelli, of ESPN.com, reports the Oakland Raiders have had discussions with free agent RB Travis Henry (Titans). Packers | Team has had discussions with T. Henry Sat, 3 Mar 2007 19:36:47 -0800 Len Pasquarelli, of ESPN.com, reports the Green Bay Packers have had discussions with free agent RB Travis Henry (Titans). ... Broncos | T. Henry to visit team Sat, 3 Mar 2007 19:33:56 -0800 Len Pasquarelli, of ESPN.com, reports free agent RB Travis Henry (Titans) was expected to meet with the Denver Broncos Saturday, March 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Wow a player that could be of help to us that we're not talking to. Who would've thunk it. Instead we're talking to hall of famers like TJ Duckett and Chris Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted March 4, 2007 Author Share Posted March 4, 2007 Wow a player that could be of help to us that we're not talking to. Who would've thunk it. I knew that was coming. We might as well just mail next season in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 I traded Keyshawn Johnson for Travis Henry right before the trade deadline in the fantasy football keeper league I'm in. At the time the deal looked like an even deal that would help both teams down the stretch. Now it looks like I could have gotten a steal. I'm especially excited about his prospects in the Denver, GB, Houston or Jets running systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 mike...you were one of the ones that wanted michael turner..correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harris5214 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 I knew that was coming. We might as well just mail next season in. we all knew that was coming lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 mike...you were one of the ones that wanted michael turner..correct? I wanted him for the right pirce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 I wanted him for the right pirce. Ok, #1--i GUARANTEE you that Travis Henry wont be for that "right price". #2, as i stated in a earlier thread today, i think there is a very good possibility that they'll looking at next year being the FA spending frenzy. Michael Turner WILL be a FA next year, and seeing as their were reports the front office liked Turner, good chance thats who they want. So yeah, they're going to bring in a TJ Duckett, or a Corey Dillon, or whoever they want for one year, so that they can leave themselves open for Turner. And Turner isn't necessarily the only one, he's just the perfect example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Ok, #1--i GUARANTEE you that Travis Henry wont be for that "right price". #2, as i stated in a earlier thread today, i think there is a very good possibility that they'll looking at next year being the FA spending frenzy. Michael Turner WILL be a FA next year, and seeing as their were reports the front office liked Turner, good chance thats who they want. So yeah, they're going to bring in a TJ Duckett, or a Corey Dillon, or whoever they want for one year, so that they can leave themselves open for Turner. And Turner isn't necessarily the only one, he's just the perfect example. Henry only costs money which IS the right price and if he comes here and doesn't preform well they can easily cut him and sign turner... He's a MUCH better player then either Dillon at this point Brown or Duckett. Sorry that i want the best player available and not retread crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Henry only costs money which IS the right price and if he comes here and doesn't preform well they can easily cut him and sign turner... I dont really agree...Henry is obviously an above average back in this league, and all the average FA's have been getting above average $$...so logic says Henry will get crazy money for his position. Also, you cant just sign a guy like henry then cut him the next year without reprecusions. There will mostly likely be a great deal of guaranteed money wherever he goes, meaning you take a cap hit of some sort. Now would it be a D-rob quality cap hit? Doubtful, but still, why waste money, especially when this team isnt ready to win a SB yet(playoffs? yes...superbowl....they aren't at SD or NE talent level, period) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 He's a MUCH better player then either Dillon at this point Brown or Duckett. Sorry that i want the best player available and not retread crap. and thats obvious...no one is argueing there, but you can't just look at someone and say "hey, theyre the most talented, lets get them and if it doesnt work out cut them for who we do like." The Jets are not the Washington Redskins, nor do they want to be. They want to be the Patriots, or more closely, the Colts or Steelers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 I dont really agree...Henry is obviously an above average back in this league, and all the average FA's have been getting above average $$...so logic says Henry will get crazy money for his position. Also, you cant just sign a guy like henry then cut him the next year without reprecusions. There will mostly likely be a great deal of guaranteed money wherever he goes, meaning you take a cap hit of some sort. Now would it be a D-rob quality cap hit? Doubtful, but still, why waste money, especially when this team isnt ready to win a SB yet(playoffs? yes...superbowl....they aren't at SD or NE talent level, period)You take the cap hit THIS YEAR (unless you are like woody and hate to give players any kind of signing bonus) when you have alot of cap room and then he's an easy cut. You'd rather punt the season with crap like Duckett or Brown or Dillon then actually bringing in a starting quality RB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted March 4, 2007 Author Share Posted March 4, 2007 The RB's in this FA class are complete garbage and we would be IDIOTS to throw a ton of money at a 1 yr stop gap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 The RB's in this FA class are complete garbage and we would be IDIOTS to throw a ton of money at a 1 yr stop gap. Ding Ding...take a cheap one year solution, look to next year(or who knows, maybe the draft?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 The RB's in this FA class are complete garbage and we would be IDIOTS to throw a ton of money at a 1 yr stop gap. who cares if the cap hit is only for one year? the difference between Henry and the rest of the RB's is big enough to warrant that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted March 4, 2007 Author Share Posted March 4, 2007 who cares if the cap hit is only for one year? the difference between Henry and the rest of the RB's is big enough to warrant that. What one of these Rb's is going to sign a 1 yr deal to play in a committee here in NY? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 What one of these Rb's is going to sign a 1 yr deal to play in a committee here in NY? you don't sign them to a one year deal you just sign them to a deal that is structured so that you can cut them after one year easily. teams do that all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 You take the cap hit THIS YEAR (unless you are like woody and hate to give players any kind of signing bonus) when you have alot of cap room and then he's an easy cut. You'd rather punt the season with crap like Duckett or Brown or Dillon then actually bringing in a starting quality RB? You think a RB who can get a longer deal, with more guaranteed money will take a job where he can get kicked to the curb after one year? I know i wouldn't. And in my opinion, while Henry is above average, he's not going to be worth the money he's going to want. Id rather grab one in the draft or wait til next year. There are simply too many high spending teams with too much money this year, and if you want someone like Henry you have to pay way too much. So yes, i would rather have duckett or Dillon cheap for one year, knowing they're only going to be around for one year, than throw money at someone long term who isn't worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 You think a RB who can get a longer deal, with more guaranteed money will take a job where he can get kicked to the curb after one year? I know i wouldn't. And in my opinion, while Henry is above average, he's not going to be worth the money he's going to want. Id rather grab one in the draft or wait til next year. There are simply too many high spending teams with too much money this year, and if you want someone like Henry you have to pay way too much. So yes, i would rather have duckett or Dillon cheap for one year, knowing they're only going to be around for one year, than throw money at someone long term who isn't worth it.Well then you're willing to punt the season and wait till next year. IF you're doing that why not just make clemens the QB and try to tank games to get a better draft pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted March 4, 2007 Author Share Posted March 4, 2007 you don't sign them to a one year deal you just sign them to a deal that is structured so that you can cut them after one year easily. teams do that all the time. PLayers usually see right thru that and demand more cash upfront that way. Either way we end up paying. If the team feels like it isn't a smart choice to waste cash ona player you won't have on the roster next season then I am with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 What one of these Rb's is going to sign a 1 yr deal to play in a committee here in NY? Exactly. I think Dillon MIGHT, simply b/c of his age and he was quoted as saying he wanted one more paycheck. The question then is how much does he want. He's no where near the fastest guy on earth, and while i can't believe im saying it b/c i criticized his speed many times, i think with Washington our running game would be decent, at the very least better than last year. But that won't really be all that hard lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 PLayers usually see right thru that and demand more cash upfront that way. Either way we end up paying. If the team feels like it isn't a smart choice to waste cash ona player you won't have on the roster next season then I am with them. Then you pay them more up front. It would be a fine use of cap room. You say that you are with them now but when you are watching crap like Duckett or Dillon plowing into the line for 3 YPC over and over again lets see if you're still with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted March 4, 2007 Author Share Posted March 4, 2007 Then you pay them more up front. It would be a fine use of cap room. You say that you are with them now but when you are watching crap like Duckett or Dillon plowing into the line for 3 YPC over and over again lets see if you're still with them. and what FA RB is going to get 5 YPC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Well then you're willing to punt the season and wait till next year. IF you're doing that why not just make clemens the QB and try to tank games to get a better draft pick? Do you know why a team like the 15-1 Steelers couldn't get past the Pats? Inexperience. Next year is not a waste, its part of a building process. Getting our young players into the playoffs, and past the first round is a goal, and a reachable goal for next year. The reason i used the Steelers was because they were a very good team that needed experience(and some luck). The next year, battle tested, they won the Super Bowl. Be patient Mike...building a powerhouse doesn't happen overnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Do you know why a team like the 15-1 Steelers couldn't get past the Pats? Inexperience. Next year is not a waste, its part of a building process. Getting our young players into the playoffs, and past the first round is a goal, and a reachable goal for next year. The reason i used the Steelers was because they were a very good team that needed experience(and some luck). The next year, battle tested, they won the Super Bowl. Be patient Mike...building a powerhouse doesn't happen overnight. You think they can get past the first round of the playoffs with garbage like Duckett or Dillon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 and what FA RB is going to get 5 YPC? Henry could get well over 4 he did last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 You think they can get past the first round of the playoffs with garbage like Duckett or Dillon? They hung with the Patriots for the majority of the game with a weak D and a HORRENDOUS run game, that game in particular. While i truely believed the Patriots were lucky to even be there, they proved in the Playoffs that they were one of the leagues best teams, and if not for a shocking collapse against, of all teams, the colts, we'd probably all be pissed about yet another Patriots SB ring. So my answer is yes, i think with a few upgrades we can. It's not hard to be better than what the backs other than Washington provided last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentos Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 You think they can get past the first round of the playoffs with garbage like Duckett or Dillon? The Patriots won a Super Bowl with Antowain Smith. The Bucs did with Michael Pittman. The Raiders won Super Bowls with Mark van Eeghen and Kenny King. The 49ers won a Super Bowl with Ricky Patton. The Redskins did with Timmy Smith. I am with you on Duckett and Dillon. I don't care for either one. However, are those two fellows so bad that they would hinder the Jets playoff chances? No. They are not that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 The Patriots won a Super Bowl with Antowain Smith. The Bucs did with Michael Pittman. The Raiders won Super Bowls with Mark van Eeghen and Kenny King. The 49ers won a Super Bowl with Ricky Patton. The Redskins did with Timmy Smith. I am with you on Duckett and Dillon. I don't care for either one. However, are those two fellows so bad that they would hinder the Jets playoff chances? No. They are not that bad. Those teams had great units. Something that the jets don't have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Those teams had great units. Something that the jets don't have. 2001 Patriots did not have great units. They BECAME a great cohesive unit, but in 2001 they weren't anything special, and even Patriots fans will tell you that. **and yes..i know they have Tom Brady and we dont, I've been told that around 7k times now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted March 4, 2007 Author Share Posted March 4, 2007 Those teams had great units. Something that the jets don't have. Obviously we are trying to build a unit ourselves here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 2001 Patriots did not have great units. They BECAME a great cohesive unit, but in 2001 they weren't anything special, and even Patriots fans will tell you that. **and yes..i know they have Tom Brady and we dont, I've been told that around 7k times now. That team needed about 5 miracles to happen to win the SB and as a jet fan i know thats not happening to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Obviously we are trying to build a unit ourselves here. indeed That team needed about 5 miracles to happen to win the SB and as a jet fan i know thats not happening to us. Agreed...but im sure patriots fans would have said the same thing before 2001...just saying. But regardless, i dont want the jets to win with luck, i want the jets to win and have earned it. Back to my point. Both the RB thing and building a "great unit" go together. The key word is building, and you can't build a great unit in one year through FA signings. Instead you build a foundation with the draft, then add FA's to top your team off. Adding Travis Henry at a MUCH too high price is not going to help the team. What will? I'm not sure...but im pretty sure Travis Henry is not the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentos Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 im pretty sure Travis Henry is not the answer. Chris Henry could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Chris Henry could be. the bust from Cincy? Do you mean Chris Brown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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