Boozer76 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Think about this-There are numrous teams with an enormous amount of cap room to spend on Free Agents this year. The problem is there are not a whole lot of really great FA's available. What's happening and will continue to happen throughout this FA season is you have alot of otherwise mediocre players signing record deals. Adalius Thomas is a nice LB. He's definately above average, but he's by no means elite. Nate Clements? Yeah, he's a pretty solid CB that's likely going to sign a deal as big as Champ Bailey's. Is he really worth that? My god, Visante Shiancoe just hit the jackpot in Dallas, as did Leonard Davis it seems. Not only does this unique situation hurt teams this year, it will also create a serious issue in years to come. If/when Antonio Gates hits the market, how much do you think he'll want after seeing Shiancoe get 15mil for 3 years? Overspending on players simply because they are the only ones available and you happen to have some money freed up is a surefire way to put you in a position to lose one of your quality drafted players because you don't have the room to lock him up sooner, such as we did with Cotchery and Rhodes. If there were a certain player who could absolutely change the face of this team and make us a contender then I'm all for spending the money on him. Adalius Thomas, while definately a solid LB, is not that man. Neither is Nate Clements. Neither are alot of guys in this FA class. Save the money, build in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Why do you care about saving Woody's money? The guy is a billionare let him spend like a New York owner should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Why do you care about saving Woody's money? The guy is a billionare let him spend like a New York onwer should. There is a salary cap in the NFL. Excellent post Booz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangenious420 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Why do you care about saving Woody's money? The guy is a billionare let him spend like a New York owner should. Mike the Greese Trucks should be open right? MIKE???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Mike the Greese Trucks should be open right? MIKE???? I'm on a diet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted March 4, 2007 Author Share Posted March 4, 2007 Why do you care about saving Woody's money? The guy is a billionare let him spend like a New York onwer should. Because if you'd step back from your silly ranting for a moment, you'd realize that contract's don't end every year, they carry on for the length of the contractr. So signing a player this year for big money means it carries on to next year, and the year after that and so on until the contract is up. Keeping cap room now translates to next year and so on. Instead of stomping your feet and crying over us not overpaying for so so players, why don't you redirect that energy into seeing ho will be on the market next year and be glad we'll have the money to spend on guys that might fit our needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Great post. I like where your going, but we need experience on both sides to win and the only way to get that is either free agency or trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Because if you'd step back from your silly ranting for a moment, you'd realize that contract's don't end every year, they carry on for the length of the contractr. So signing a player this year for big money means it carries on to next year, and the year after that and so on until the contract is up. Keeping cap room now translates to next year and so on. Instead of stomping your feet and crying over us not overpaying for so so players, why don't you redirect that energy into seeing ho will be on the market next year and be glad we'll have the money to spend on guys that might fit our needs. what makes you think they will all of a sudden change course and spend money next year? And i assure you there is no bigger impact player available next year then Thomas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted March 4, 2007 Author Share Posted March 4, 2007 what makes you think they will all of a sudden change course and spend money next year? And i assure you there is no bigger impact player available next year then Thomas. We need help on the DL and OL, as well as RB. LB is likely where we least need to blow alot of money, so why in the world do you want to waste it on Thomas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSFAN5180 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 FREE AGENCY IN NEW YORK SHOULD EQUAL = PORTER AND JONES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 We need help on the DL and OL, as well as RB. LB is likely where we least need to blow alot of money, so why in the world do you want to waste it on Thomas? Because Thomas fit into this defense perfectly and the jets pass rush and run stopping was pathetic last year. Two things that Thomas is great at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Because Thomas fit into this defense perfectly and the jets pass rush and run stopping was pathetic last year. Two things that Thomas is great at. Are you gonna write a book about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Because Thomas fit into this defense perfectly and the jets pass rush and run stopping was pathetic last year. Two things that Thomas is great at. Adalius Thomas is not going to help against the run. He sucks against the run and it is even questionable as to how good he is when rushing the passer against decent blockers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 what makes you think they will all of a sudden change course and spend money next year? And i assure you there is no bigger impact player available next year then Thomas. You didn't think Porter would be available this year. I thought you were a big Turner fan, he'll be up next year. Plenty of guys will be cap casualties. I hope the spending frenzy continues. Then we'll be in good shape to pick up the pieces. FREE AGENCY IN NEW YORK SHOULD EQUAL = PORTER AND JONES Thomas? Jones isn't a FA. They are looking for a #2. I'd much rather throw some money at Travis Henry or sign Dillon to a short term deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangenious420 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 I'm on a diet. Nah, I was being serious. I was asking you if they're open because i'm hungry and hungover. And A Fat B*tch sounds real good right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Nah, I was being serious. I was asking you if they're open because i'm hungry and hungover. And A Fat B*tch sounds real good right now Ehh I think one is open today. not sure though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 You didn't think Porter would be available this year. I thought you were a big Turner fan, he'll be up next year. Plenty of guys will be cap casualties. I hope the spending frenzy continues. Then we'll be in good shape to pick up the pieces. Thomas? Jones isn't a FA. They are looking for a #2. I'd much rather throw some money at Travis Henry or sign Dillon to a short term deal. I am a Turner fan but Thomas would've had a bigger impact then him and Thomas is better then Porter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Adalius Thomas is not going to help against the run. He sucks against the run and it is even questionable as to how good he is when rushing the passer against decent blockers. Thats why he has 80+ tackles every year from OLB LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Are you gonna write a book about it? I just might... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Thats why he has 80+ tackles every year from OLB LOL. Tackles don't mean a f'n thing. If you had any idea what you were talking about you wouldn't make such idiotic statements. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted March 4, 2007 Author Share Posted March 4, 2007 I am a Turner fan but Thomas would've had a bigger impact then him and Thomas is better then Porter. Thomas had Ngata, Gregg, and Pryce eating up blockers for him. We have DRob, Ellis and Kimo. Thomas also faced teams who put alot of emphasis on stopping Lewis and Suggs. He by no means is anything at all elite, and certainly would not transcend our D into anything better than it was last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Tackles don't mean a f'n thing. If you had any idea what you were talking about you wouldn't make such idiotic statements. LOL. The only idiot statement is that thomas "sucks" at anything on a football field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSFAN5180 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Jones is well worth the draft picks and Porter the money. 2 additions that would help this team immensly. On both sides of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 The only idiot statement is that thomas "sucks" at anything on a football field. http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2007/03/04/more_of_the_same/?page=1 "Thomas is a good athlete, and he was productive in their scheme in Baltimore, but he's not good setting the edge against the run and he's not a traditional 'Sam' [strong-side] linebacker because he has trouble getting off a tight end's block. I saw [Daniel] Graham bury him against the Ravens a couple years ago. They ran right over him the whole game. "A guy who can do as many things as Thomas can is the kind of player Bill Belichick likes, though. I heard he fell in love with him at the Pro Bowl. His versatility and his athleticism are big pluses, but that's a pretty big price tag for a guy who can't set the edge and will be 30 years old this season. "Those are two things that won't change: He won't get younger, and at his age, if you're not good against the run, you can't be coached out of that. "The fear I'd have is he may be a little bit of a system guy. Baltimore's defense is very aggressive. They attack from a lot of directions, so a guy like Thomas gets a lot of open runs [at the quarterback] with just a running back to block him. One of many scouts opinions on Thomas. Pats signed him for so much because they don't have a Bryan Thomas/Willie McGinest on the roster right now. So they overpaid We do have one on our roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2007/03/04/more_of_the_same/?page=1 One of many scouts opinions on Thomas. Pats signed him for so much because they don't have a Bryan Thomas/Willie McGinest on the roster right now. So they overpaid We do have one on our roster. Are you really comparing Bryan Thomas to Adalius Thomas and Willie McGinest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Are you really comparing Bryan Thomas to Adalius Thomas and Willie McGinest? In terms of versatility yes. But actually there is no comparison as I think Bryan Thomas is much, much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 In terms of versatility yes. But actually there is no comparison as I think Bryan Thomas is much, much better. wow. just wow. ecurb needs to guard his biggest homer award with his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2007/03/04/more_of_the_same/?page=1 One of many scouts opinions on Thomas. Pats signed him for so much because they don't have a Bryan Thomas/Willie McGinest on the roster right now. So they overpaid We do have one on our roster. What this scout fails to mention is that he's not as smart as MadMike so in all reality his opinion is meaningless when pitted against the greatest mind the sports world has ever known. Tell em like it is Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 What this scout fails to mention is that he's not as smart as MadMike so in all reality his opinion is meaningless when pitted against the greatest mind the sports world has ever known. Tell em like it is Mike. Ask Sperm about adalius thomas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 wow. just wow. ecurb needs to guard his biggest homer award with his life. Bryan Thomas 27 Years old 77 Tackles 8.5 Sacks On a less talented overall defense, in a new system. Adalius Thomas 30 Years old 83 Tackles 11 Sacks On a much better defense, in a system he is used to, in a contract year. Doesn't look like a homer statement to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted March 4, 2007 Author Share Posted March 4, 2007 In terms of versatility yes. But actually there is no comparison as I think Bryan Thomas is much, much better. In terms of what their impact will be playing for he NY Jets, yes they are comparable. A Thomas would be guaranteed to have either an OT and a TE or 2 OL in his face withing mere moments of the snap. He's never faced that in BAL. Also, neither player would make or break us in terms of whether we become an elite D uint as a whole. The fact is, until we have a DL than can stand up the OL, Bryan Thomas and hisw contract is much better than Adalius with his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 I am a Turner fan but Thomas would've had a bigger impact then him and Thomas is better then Porter. Thomas is better than Porter, but how much? I know you love Thomas, but don't be so sure that other top players aren't going to become available as cap casualties. If Thomas didn't jump for 49er cash I doubt he'd care about ours. Jones is well worth the draft picks and Porter the money. 2 additions that would help this team immensly. On both sides of the ball. I'm not sold on Porter as being a good fit. His mouth is too big. As for a #2 for Jones - Pass. 4.1 per carry with a good OL? He's not what I'm looking for in terms of value. Sure he'd be an improvement, but not what I'm looking for. RT is what I'm worried about. We don't even have a body in camp at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Thomas is better than Porter, but how much? I know you love Thomas, but don't be so sure that other top players aren't going to become available as cap casualties. If Thomas didn't jump for 49er cash I doubt he'd care about ours. Pass. I'm not sold on Porter as being a good fit. His mouth is too big. As for a #2 for Jones-pass. 4.1 per carry with a good OL? He's not doing anything for me. The problem is that even though porter is almost as good as thomas it dosn't matter because he's not coming here either. And neither are the 2 RB's who could help us in FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Personally I don't even see how or why we would want an OLB. We really need to concentrate on DL, MLB, CB, and another safety on defense. Then lets not foget about our needs on offense RB, TE, RT, RG. So we need 4-6 guys on defense, and 3 or 4 on offense - but lets go blow all our cap on a guy we already have a better player than on defense. Yeah that makes a lot of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Personally I don't even see how or why we would want an OLB. We really need to concentrate on DL, MLB, CB, and another safety on defense. Then lets not foget about our needs on offense RB, TE, RT, RG. So we need 4-6 guys on defense, and 3 or 4 on offense - but lets go blow all our cap on a guy we already have a better player than on defense. Yeah that makes a lot of sense. Do you see them signing players who will fill those holes? I sure don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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