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Are you paying a player based on past performance, or are you paying him on future expectations?

You have to pay for past performance sometimes..especially when it's the most important player on the team..or somebody else will.

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So risk alienating one of the most important players on the team to save a few million bucks when the yankees piss that money away every day on crap. Thats smart.

He's a grown man, not a little boy who feels alienated looking for a hug. He'll get his money and life will go on. Anybody worrying about this non-issue right now should find something else to be concerned with.

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Excellent point SD. Not all fans are smart enough to see the logic being applied by the Yankees here. You don't pay guys for what they've done in the past. The Yanks will get Mo signed if he proves himself worth signing. I know, a tough concept for jonny come lately, know nothing fans but a sound approach by the Yankees FO.

Here is a poster who "gets it". This is how teams need to approach things these days. Especially a 37 year old. Even if he is the best ever at his position.

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He's a grown man, not a little boy who feels alienated looking for a hug. He'll get his money and life will go on. Anybody worrying about this non-issue right now should find something else to be concerned with.

Thats a foolish rational. The REALITY is that for baseball players money = respect. Why would the yankees want this guy to feel disrespected?

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You have to pay for past performance sometimes..especially when it's the most important player on the team..or somebody else will.

The real bottom line is that no one else will outbid teh Yankees for Mos services, if the Yankees want him.

And MO wants the Yankees. He lives in Westchester YEAR ROUND, not just during the season. He just opened a restaurant nearby, and has plans for 2 more within a year or so. And he has a burning desire to pitch in a Yankee uniform in the new stadium in 2009.

He will be here if the Yankees want him. Money (read that - respect) will not be an issue.

And for all those who say he was underpaid all these past years, after 2007 MO will have received over $84,000,000.00 in salary since 1995, from the Yankees. Not exactly a lack of respect, nor an underpayment.

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The real bottom line is that no one else will outbid teh Yankees for Mos services, if the Yankees want him.

And MO wants the Yankees. He lives in Westchester YEAR ROUND, not just during the season. He just opened a restaurant nearby, and has plans for 2 more within a year or so. And he has a burning desire to pitch in a Yankee uniform in the new stadium in 2009.

He will be here if the Yankees want him. Money (read that - respect) will not be an issue.

And for all those who say he was underpaid all these past years, after 2007 MO will have received over $84,000,000.00 in salary since 1995, from the Yankees. Not exactly a lack of respect, nor an underpayment.

If they are set to pay him whatever he wants then why the hell are they waiting? Sign him now and make this a non story. Don't make this guy hang in the wind. When he's a 1st ballot hall of famer and one of the biggest reason for this yankee run, he shouldn't have to make the same money as Carl Pavano. Mo is the 8th highest paid yankee when he is either the most or 2nd most important player on the team thats showing him a lack of respect.

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Thats a foolish rational. The REALITY is that for baseball players money = respect. Why would the yankees want this guy to feel disrespected?

Baseball is first and foremost, a business. It does not exist to have friendly get togethers and back slapping moments where everyone feels good about themsleves, and about the job they do everyday.

Rivera is under contract. For a contract theat he agreed to. The Yankees are under NO obligation to negotiate a new contract with him before his contract is up. Rivera is under no obligation to re-sign with the Yankees.

A business decision. Happens all the time.

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Baseball is first and foremost, a business. It does not exist to have friendly get togethers and back slapping moments where everyone feels good about themsleves, and about the job they do everyday.

Rivera is under contract. For a contract theat he agreed to. The Yankees are under NO obligation to negotiate a new contract with him before his contract is up. Rivera is under no obligation to re-sign with the Yankees.

A business decision. Happens all the time.

I never said they were under an obligation. I just said they should take take of him. You know whats good business? taking care of your most productive employees.

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If they are set to pay him whatever he wants then why the hell are they waiting? Sign him now and make this a non story. Don't make this guy hang in the wind. When he's a 1st ballot hall of famer and one of the biggest reason for this yankee run, he shouldn't have to make the same money as Carl Pavano. Mo is the 8th highest paid yankee when he is either the most or 2nd most important player on the team thats showing him a lack of respect.

You mean the yankees should give him the 2 year deal at say, 25 million total, right now. And let's say that he gets a rotor cuff injury on April 2, 2007, in the opener? What kind of smart signing was that?

Even worse, let's say they give himn teh extension, and he gets hurt in Sept. 2007, same injury. Then he misses 2 post seasons, when he really earns his money and reputation, and will be 39 when he comes back in 2009.

No thanks. Not a smart move at all. Sign him after he shows he still is healthy. The gamble is well worth it.

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I never said they were under an obligation. I just said they should take take of him. You know whats good business? taking care of your most productive employees.

As long as they remain productive employees. This isn' a salesman here. A company that has a 37 year old hot-shot salesman can take care of him to a long term deal, as physical injuries are mostly unlikely for the naer-to-mid term.

But a 37 year old in Baseball? Especially a pitcher? Show me first.

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You mean the yankees should give him the 2 year deal at say, 25 million total, right now. And let's say that he gets a rotor cuff injury on April 2, 2007, in the opener? What kind of smart signing was that?

Even worse, let's say they give himn teh extension, and he gets hurt in Sept. 2007, same injury. Then he misses 2 post seasons, when he really earns his money and reputation, and will be 39 when he comes back in 2009.

No thanks. Not a smart move at all. Sign him after he shows he still is healthy. The gamble is well worth it.

You'd be LUCKY if he took 2 years 25 million. The yankees should sign him to that YESTERDAY if he'll accept it.

Even if he DOES get hurt this year the yankees will still bring him back for 08.

Major league contracts are insured. If he does have a career ending injury the yankees will get most of the money back anyway.

This is NOT the player to get cheap with.

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You'd be LUCKY if he took 2 years 25 million. The yankees should sign him to that YESTERDAY if he'll accept it.

Even if he DOES get hurt this year the yankees will still bring him back for 08.

This is NOT the player to get cheap with.

If he gets a rotor cuff injury in Sept. 2007, they may bring him back, but it will be for a Lieber type contract, where the Yankees can walk away after 1 year if he does not recover. And the salary for that 1 year will be like 2-3 million.

No thanks. Don't offer anything now.

P.S. - 25 million gets it done now. 28-30 will get it done after the season.

Bank on it.

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If he gets a rotor cuff injury in Sept. 2007, they may bring him back, but it will be for a Lieber type contract, where the Yankees can walk away after 1 year if he does not recover. And the salary for that 1 year will be like 2-3 million.

No thanks. Don't offer anything now.

P.S. - 25 million gets it done now. 28-30 will get it done after the season.

Bank on it.

No chance he gets a 2-3 million dollar contract even after he's been hurt. NO CHANCE. Gagne missed 2 YEARS and he just got 7 million. 25 million for 2 years is a NO BRAINER.

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The real bottom line is that no one else will outbid teh Yankees for Mos services, if the Yankees want him.

And MO wants the Yankees. He lives in Westchester YEAR ROUND, not just during the season. He just opened a restaurant nearby, and has plans for 2 more within a year or so. And he has a burning desire to pitch in a Yankee uniform in the new stadium in 2009.

He will be here if the Yankees want him. Money (read that - respect) will not be an issue.

And for all those who say he was underpaid all these past years, after 2007 MO will have received over $84,000,000.00 in salary since 1995, from the Yankees. Not exactly a lack of respect, nor an underpayment.

Nobody is disputing those facts.

But,you have to remember the Yankees have been dishing out gobs of money to useless bums like Pavano,Wright,Farnsworth and Randy Johnson right in front of his face..what have any of those guys done for the Yankees?

And Mo should get short changed so we can pay bums this kind of coin?

That would piss anybody off.

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Nobody is disputing those facts.

But,you have to remember the Yankees have been dishing out gobs of money to uselss bums like Pavano,Wright,Farnsworth and Randy Johnson right in front of his face..what have any of those guys done for the Yankees?

And Mo should get short changed so we can pay bums this kind of coin?

That would piss anybody off.

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I never said they were under an obligation. I just said they should take take of him. You know whats good business? taking care of your most productive employees.

Mike, You will realize this once you venture out in the real world-That is fairy tale wishing. Good luck with that.

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Mike, You will realize this once you venture out in the real world-That is fairy tale wishing. Good luck with that.

This is baseball not the real world. Regular working stiff has no other options. Mo rivera does.

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This is baseball not the real world. Regular working stiff has no other options. Mo rivera does.

How exactly are "working stiffs" not available to options in their career? Huh?

You know what, if Rivera blows his arm out today, he gets paid his full salary.

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How exactly are "working stiffs" not available to options in their career? Huh?

You know what, if Rivera blows his arm out today, he gets paid his full salary.

And the yankees get that money back from the insurance. Whats your point.

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And the yankees get that money back from the insurance. Whats your point.

Do they have a policy on Rivera? The majority of contracts don't have policies, as I understand them.

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Do they have a policy on Rivera? The majority of contracts don't have policies, as I understand them.

The majority DO have policies.

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What is the insurance on Mariano?

I know know the exact policy but i do know that if the yankees signed him and he got hurt they would recoup some of that money. (they should sign him even without a policy anyway.)

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The majority DO have policies.

I checked this one out with folks who would have teh ability to really find out. The majority of players do not have insurance. However, there are a significant number of players that the teams have taken out insurance ploicies on. Most of these policies actually require the player to miss overwhelming majorities of the season, in order to collect. And the deductible is significant.

I could not get specifics. At least, not yet.;)

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How exactly are "working stiffs" not available to options in their career? Huh?

You know what, if Rivera blows his arm out today, he gets paid his full salary.

Yes but since he won't travel with the team he no longer would get the daily meal stipend. He may be 150 pounds but the man has to eat.

Can't believe you would suggest taking food out of his mouth like that, lol.

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