GREEN FIEND Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Patriots trade 2nd & 7th round draft picks to get Wes Welker. Jets trade down 26 picks in the 2nd round to get Thomas Jones. I understand that they won't be receiving the same kind of money, but then again, we are comparing a slot receiver/return man to a Top 5 runningback. Tangini pulled off one hell of a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Patriots trade 2nd & 7th round draft picks to get Wes Welker. Jets trade down 26 picks in the 2nd round to get Thomas Jones. I understand that they won't be receiving the same kind of money, but then again, we are comparing a slot receiver/return man to a Top 5 runningback. Tangini pulled off one hell of a deal. jones is not a top 5 RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 but in terms of the position and talent of player the Jets did well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Patriots trade 2nd & 7th round draft picks to get Wes Welker. Jets trade down 26 picks in the 2nd round to get Thomas Jones. I understand that they won't be receiving the same kind of money, but then again, we are comparing a slot receiver/return man to a Top 5 runningback. Tangini pulled off one hell of a deal. The only way you're going to be able to show these guys the light is if you jam a 400watt bulb up their asses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 but in terms of the position and talent of player the Jets did well If they had given up a 2nd for wes welker i would be LIVID. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 exactly Mike, give the Jets some credit..maybe not the guy you wanted but a quality player and they did not get fleeced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 exactly Mike, give the Jets some credit..maybe not the guy you wanted but a quality player and they did not get fleeced I don't love this trade but i'm certainly not against them doing it and i think they are a better then right now then they were this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 If Thomas Jones is a top five running back, Chad Pennington is a top five quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shutout Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Wow...I'm fairly pleased with the Jones trade (I think I am,I'm not upset about it,but I'm not sure how much I really like it),but theres no way he's a top 5 rb. No way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 ok fair enough... and regardless of what either of us think he is still a Jet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 As i said FO has him as the 11st best RB in football last year. thats not bad for 26 draft spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEN FIEND Posted March 6, 2007 Author Share Posted March 6, 2007 jones is not a top 5 RB. Other than LT, Larry Johnson, Steven Jackson, and Shaun Alexander who do you think is better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjam76 Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 I really am not one to question the moves the Pats, Colts, as well as the Eagles make over the past 6-7 years. It seems everytime those teams get rid of players, they have a better younger replacement or the moves they make seem to turn out for the best. The Jets at this point have made some good moves, but I'm still sour on the way they dropped the ball on the whole Curtis Martin situation last year. With Suggs, Barlow and even Washington in the 4th round and now Thomas Jones.. I don't know. He's a nice rb and he is better than what they had, but there is nothing special about Thomas Jones as a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetfan4hire Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Other than LT, Larry Johnson, Steven Jackson, and Shaun Alexander who do you think is better? Frank Gore, Willie Parker, Reggie Bush, Maurice Jones Drew, Michael Turner, Joseph Addai, Brian Westbrook, Marion Barber, ........but I do think hes a good rb, and the Jets got a really good deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Other than LT, Larry Johnson, Steven Jackson, and Shaun Alexander who do you think is better? Frank Gore Ronnie Brown Willis McGahee Willie Parker Rudi Johnson Maurice Jones-Drew Joseph Addai Clinton Portis Brian Westbrook Julius Jones Marion Barber Laurence Maroney Chester Taylor Ahman Green Kevin Jones Deuce McCallister For starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEN FIEND Posted March 6, 2007 Author Share Posted March 6, 2007 As i said FO has him as the 11st best RB in football last year. thats not bad for 26 draft spots. He was 11th in the League in Rushing Yards--that doesn't mean he's the "11th best". He split carries with Benson which didn't allow him to rack up yardage like some others. He was 2nd in Rushing Yards for the postseason.....does that mean he was the 2nd best rusher in the playoffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 I think Turner and Addai still have some things to prove to say they are better. Also Barber appears to be the Boys goal line/short yardage back so those are different types of backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjam76 Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Frank Gore was far better last season, but it was only one season. Who knows... So I'll say Jones gets the nod. . Brian Westbrook, while not a pure rb, is always a threat out of the backfield. The Colts rookie RB is young, rushed for over 1200 yards, and given the track record of the Colts and RBs, i'm gonna say he's better. Mcgahee is a better RB and younger and always kills the Jets. Rudi Johnson in Cin might be a little better and younger. Reggie Bush caught almost 100 receptions last season, is young, and is a threat to rush or catch a pass and run for 90 yards. That and the fact that Duece Mcallister is a better RB than Jones. Jones is a nice RB, but a guy with 2 decent seasons is not a top 5 RB in my book. NOt by a long shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Troll you have got to be kidding me Ronnie Brown? Ahman Green? Kevin Jones who is hurt? Julius? you are going to be suprised by TJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Other than LT, Larry Johnson, Steven Jackson, and Shaun Alexander who do you think is better? Rudi Johnson Frank Gore Brian Westbrook Willis McGahee Clinton Portis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Frank Gore Ronnie Brown Willis McGahee Willie Parker Rudi Johnson Maurice Jones-Drew Joseph Addai Clinton Portis Brian Westbrook Julius Jones Marion Barber Laurence Maroney Chester Taylor Ahman Green Kevin Jones Deuce McCallister For starters. Jones is better then Jones the other Jones Green Brown Taylor and Mcgahee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 I am not arguing nor said he is Top 5 but he could fall in top 15 which is good enough for this Jets team. It is about fitting into a team and system and being productive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 I think Turner and Addai still have some things to prove to say they are better. Also Barber appears to be the Boys goal line/short yardage back so those are different types of backs. Barber still averaged 4.8 YPC on nearly 150 carries, despite seeing all the goal-line work, which would naturally hurt his average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEN FIEND Posted March 6, 2007 Author Share Posted March 6, 2007 Frank Gore I'll give you this one Ronnie Brown Hasn't shown it yet Willis McGahee Only if he played us every week Willie Parker No Rudi Johnson Yeah Maurice Jones-Drew Not even the starter for his team (although I like him) Joseph Addai Lets see him carry the load next year Clinton Portis Did he even play last year? Brian Westbrook Fantasy sleeper year after year, but No Julius Jones Gonna lose his starting job Marion Barber So the 'Boys have two guys better than him? Laurence Maroney Let's see him carry the load Chester Taylor No Ahman Green HA Kevin Jones No Deuce McCallister Had a good year...but No For starters. . I like Thomas Jones' game and can't wait for Schott to work his magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEN FIEND Posted March 6, 2007 Author Share Posted March 6, 2007 The debate could go on and on.........so for the sake of argument we traded for a TOP 10 runningback. The whole point of the thread was to show that our FO made one hell of a deal when you compare it to what the Patsies gave up for Wes Welker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Frank Gore Ronnie Brown - Yes Willis McGahee- Yes Willie Parker - Maybe Rudi Johnson- Yes Maurice Jones-Drew - Maybe Joseph Addai - Maybe Clinton Portis- Yes Brian Westbrook- Yes Julius Jones - No Marion Barber- No Laurence Maroney- Maybe Chester Taylor - No Ahman Green - No Kevin Jones - No Deuce McCallister - No For starters. This isn't Fantasy Football Troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 . Ahman Green: Same age as Thomas Jones. Averages half a yard more per carry over career and is much better receiver than Jones. Willie Parker: Has outrushed Jones the past two seasons and done it while averaging more per carry. Is, no contest, better than Jones and the only person who would say otherwise is completely blind. Rudi Johnson: Maybe? 4,421 yards over the last three years. Or, a little over 1,000 less than Jones' career yardage mark. Has also scored 36 TDs last three seasons, two more than Jones has in his CAREER. Brian Westbrook: Are you serious? Fantasy football sleeper? He's the best receiving back in football, behind LT, and averages almost a yard more per carry than Jones over their careers. I'm not even going to address the rest of them. You are ****ing insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 This isn't Fantasy Football Troll. The only "fantasy football name" on my list was Marion Barber, and I do think he's better than Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 The only "fantasy football name" on my list was Marion Barber, and I do think he's better than Jones. Chester Taylor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 The only "fantasy football name" on my list was Marion Barber, and I do think he's better than Jones. I agree with that but there are guys on that list who are absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Troll you have got to be kidding me Ronnie Brown? Ahman Green? Kevin Jones who is hurt? Julius? you are going to be suprised by TJ How is Ronnie Brown so unbelievable? It's not his fault the Dolphins are morons and won't feed him the ball. Ronnie Brown's career #'s when getting at least 15 carries in a game (16 games): 303 carries, 1,404 yards (4.6); 87 YPG. He's under-used. That doesn't make him a bad back. He's actually pretty damn good whenever they utilize him. Green has been better over the course of his career, is the same age, and is a better passcatcher. Kevin Jones, pre-injury, without question. Don't know about now, and actually forgot about the injury. Julius is simply the younger, more explosive version of Thomas. He is nothing special, but neither is his big brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Chester Taylor? Taylor is younger, a better receiver, and put up nearly identical rushing numbers to Jones last year, despite having pressure taken off by lady-armed Brad Johnson and not "**** it, I'm going deep" Rex Grossman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theinlawjosie Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Who cares how many RB's in the league are better than Jones. The fact is that we got a bruiser that still has a couple of years left in him and that will allow Washington to be a very effective change of pace back. Washington and Jones are two extremely different RB's and I believe they will compliment each other very well. Not to mention the fact that Jones will make a good target for Penny's weak arm.....the guy might not be the best receiver coming out of the backfield, but he is definitely better than what we had. We all know that Jones isn't a top 5 back, if he were we wouldn't have gotten him for what we did......the Jets landed themselves a very nice deal and you can't argue that fact even if the guy isn't LT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Who cares how many RB's in the league are better than Jones. The fact is that we got a bruiser that still has a couple of years left in him and that will allow Washington to be a very effective change of pace back. Washington and Jones are two extremely different RB's and I believe they will compliment each other very well. Not to mention the fact that Jones will make a good target for Penny's weak arm.....the guy might not be the best receiver coming out of the backfield, but he is definitely better than what we had. We all know that Jones isn't a top 5 back, if he were we wouldn't have gotten him for what we did......the Jets landed themselves a very nice deal and you can't argue that fact even if the guy isn't LT. Thomas Jones is not a bruiser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjam76 Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Thomas JOnes might work out alot, but as a RB, he is not a bruiser. Not even close. IF you watched any Bears games last year the announcers would even say Benson came in and was more of the bruiser. Jones is a big guy who is more of a finesse type runner than a pound you in the face type runner. But just cause he's big doesn't mean he's a bruiser. From what I've seen, he is far from it when it comes to rushing the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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