Jimmors Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Hello all you Jets fans, i came here from the fan2fan alliance from www.dabearz.com, and dropped by to see how you all felt about getting TJ, and to let you guys know what youre getting. First of all-i dont know what the contract numbers are, but im pretty sure you guys will complain about overpaying him, but dont be mad at TJ, be mad at his agent-Drew Rosenhaus (who is also Lance Briggs' agent). Rosenhaus is a scumbag. We had to let go of TJ and we knew that this day was coming for awhile. We drafted Benson to be our franchise back, paid him a crapload of money, and had TJ there as a backup to help prepare Benson. But Benson got injured his first year, and TJ excelled in the starters role in 2005 with over 1300 yards rushing. This year, both Benson and Jones split carries, with TJ being the primary back getting about 75% of the workload. Jones felt like he deserved a starter's salary, unfortunately a team cant afford to keep 2 backs at a starters salary for each, so we knew Jones would be leaving. TJ is a workhorse of a running back. He wont get many rushes over 20+ yards, in fact his 52 yard romp in the Superbowl was his longest rush all season. But hes good at wearing down defenses using cutback lanes. In the NFC Champsionship, where we had a series of 8 plays that were all TJ rushes for a total of 65 yards and a TD. TJ isnt really adept at running north and south and pounding the ball like Benson, TJ uses cutback lanes, and likes to dance around alot, and it can get annoying sometimes. He is pretty solid at pass blocking, better then benson. TJ is a workout freak and has a great overall work ethic, and actually was one of th leaders in the locker room. I see that the Jets will most likely use a 2 back system, and even though TJ would like to be the featured back, he knows how to split carries like he did with Benson. Even though he is approaching 30, he is still in good shape, but has been injured from time to time, though it hasnt been anything season ending So the cliff notes version: PROS: Workhorse, can get 1000 yards even while splitting carries, good at pass blocking, team leader, outstanding character CONS: Dances too much, cant pound the ball running north-south, his agent, his age and injuries Bears fans enjoyed having TJ as part of our team and we are sad to see him go, but most of us wish the best for him, and you guys definitely got a bargain by picking him up. If anyone has any other questions, ill be more then happy to answer them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENSMACKS Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 i like the fact we barely gave up anything for him, thing that worries me he has 2 or 3 good years left and with kellen as our future qb youd like to get a rb to go with him for the long haul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmors Posted March 6, 2007 Author Share Posted March 6, 2007 Well RBs are always hard to predict. TJ was a nobody until he came to the Bears and had a few years riding the bench with Arizona and Tampa, only starting 20 games in his first 4 years. So i think he has plenty of gas in the tank, and even if thats not the case-you guys still have a few years to draft a new RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Sounds pretty much like Leon Washington to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Sounds pretty much like Leon Washington to me. Only bigger & stronger and more capable of carrying a bigger workload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjam76 Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 WHen you are building for the future, it's never a good thing to bring in some stop gap player just to bring in some stop gap player. If he comes in, puts out 1000+ yards for the next 3-4 years then overall it was a good deal. But if he comes in and has one good year then either leaves, retires, or gets injured like many RBS over 30 do, then unless they make it to the SB next year, it was a pointless trade. And if the Bears wind up drafting somebody who becomes a pro bowl player with the 37th pick, it makes it even worse. Right now its an ok trade. I'm not against it and i'm not for it. They did what they thought was best for the team I guess. But I"m not sold on him being this great answer and i'm sure not sold on him being a stop gap until they get the next great RB... Um, yeah, the Jets have been waiting for the next great QB basically since Namath left. And Curtis Martin was a HOF RB but even with all his great years and numbers, the Jets were never really a contender. They had some good years and surprised teams, but in the end, they always came up short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Only bigger & stronger and more capable of carrying a bigger workload. It really doesn't matter how strong he is, being that he'd rather dance around instead of pound it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmors Posted March 6, 2007 Author Share Posted March 6, 2007 I dont know about being a stop gap player, but he was just shy of 1000 yards in 2004, had 1335 as the primary back in 2005 and 1210 in 2006 with 75% of the carries. AS long as he gets at least 250 touches, he will be good for 1000 yards, and like i said-he loves to work out, so i doubt he will get seriously injured or retire in the next few years. He had 4 years of barely touching the ball, so hes not as worn out as some 30 year old backs. And yeah-his dancing gets annoying, but it pays off every now in then-like in the Superbowl when he hit the cutback lane and got 52 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjam76 Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 I hope you are right and he's here for 3-4 years and puts up 1000+ numbers.. It would only make the Jets better during that time. ANd they could go on and improve the defense, offense and so on. I don't know the Bears too well, so who knows. I do know that if a 30 year old player from the Eagles, Colts or Patriots is available, I think the JEts should stay away. It always seems players from those teams get to that magic 30, they let them go, even though it seems like a bad move, but in the end, those 3 teams usually seem to turn out as being geniuses while whoever signed the other player looks like fools. The Bears haven't proved anything like that to me yet, so hopefull JOnes comes in and becomes a really good back for 3-4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmors Posted March 6, 2007 Author Share Posted March 6, 2007 Yeah, like i said-his first 4 years he was barely used at all in Arizona and Tampa, so he should have enough gas in the tank for a few more years. I know Jets are unfamiliar with the Bears, which is why i posted this to begin with. I dont know much about the Jets, so alot of the offense relies on the O-Line. The Bears have a great but aging O-Line, so if you guys have a somewhat decent O-Line, then i expect TJ will produce for you guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjam76 Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 For the most part the Jets OL did pretty well in protecting Chad P last season. As far as rush blocking, well they weren't that good for much of the season. That could be because RBs like Barlow and Blaylock stunk, but as bad as those players were, the OL didn't do a very good job of rush blocking. Lets hope this year improves with their young guys and another year of experience and some of their other veterans stepping up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoomBoomMancini Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 My god he is 28 years old.. Sure he turns 29 in August, but that certainly isn't old, considering your prime is usually 27-30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoomBoomMancini Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 I hope you are right and he's here for 3-4 years and puts up 1000+ numbers.. It would only make the Jets better during that time. ANd they could go on and improve the defense, offense and so on. I don't know the Bears too well, so who knows. I do know that if a 30 year old player from the Eagles, Colts or Patriots is available, I think the JEts should stay away. It always seems players from those teams get to that magic 30, they let them go, even though it seems like a bad move, but in the end, those 3 teams usually seem to turn out as being geniuses while whoever signed the other player looks like fools. The Bears haven't proved anything like that to me yet, so hopefull JOnes comes in and becomes a really good back for 3-4 years. Good post! I agree with you in a sense.. However, 30 is just a number. I remember Jim Brown even saying that its not so much the age as it is the pounding you have taken throughout your football career(college, high school, pros). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNorth09 Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 For the most part the Jets OL did pretty well in protecting Chad P last season. As far as rush blocking, well they weren't that good for much of the season. That could be because RBs like Barlow and Blaylock stunk, but as bad as those players were, the OL didn't do a very good job of rush blocking. Lets hope this year improves with their young guys and another year of experience and some of their other veterans stepping up. I don't really see it getting better unless we draft Justin Blalock and get two more road-graders. D'Brick is undersized and a finesse blocker. He can use his lateral quickness and footwork to stay in front of his man but he isn't big or strong enough to push people out of the way. Nor do I really see him play with much of a mean streak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Good post! I agree with you in a sense.. However, 30 is just a number. I remember Jim Brown even saying that its not so much the age as it is the pounding you have taken throughout your football career(college, high school, pros). That's where I was going with my post too Boom Twice....TJ only really started being a full-time back 2004,05 and 06-before that he was a guy who carried it like 100-150 times a year-his football age might be that of instead of an 8th year player to more like a 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Only bigger & stronger and more capable of carrying a bigger workload. But with Washington that could change in about two, three years. I see a bright future for Washington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Jimmors, thanks for the post & very much appreciated, I like the move & think he'll do well if we improve the o'line. in this big $$$$ available cap year we haven't given up too much yet anyways. thanks for posting & good luck to da bears this year. please tell urlsgirl I said hi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Thank you for the info Jimmors..I am a fan of TJ and excited to see what he can bring to the Jets...I know the money is going to be an issue but hopefully Drew remembers the other marketing opps that come with playing in NY..long shot I know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 That's where I was going with my post too Boom Twice....TJ only really started being a full-time back 2004,05 and 06-before that he was a guy who carried it like 100-150 times a year-his football age might be that of instead of an 8th year player to more like a 5 I agree with you about Boom Boom. It's not a useless thread that makes you - it's the number of useless threads that eventually takes its toll on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbn007 Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 I agree with you about Boom Boom. It's not a useless thread that makes you - it's the number of useless threads that eventually takes its toll on you. Ohhhhhhhhhhh.......................... A stab in the back there, eh!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 TJ is a workhorse of a running back. He wont get many rushes over 20+ yards, in fact his 52 yard romp in the Superbowl was his longest rush all season. But hes good at wearing down defenses using cutback lanes. In the NFC Champsionship, where we had a series of 8 plays that were all TJ rushes for a total of 65 yards and a TD. TJ isnt really adept at running north and south and pounding the ball like Benson, TJ uses cutback lanes, and likes to dance around alot, and it can get annoying sometimes. He is pretty solid at pass blocking, better then benson. TJ is a workout freak and has a great overall work ethic, and actually was one of th leaders in the locker room. PROS: Workhorse, can get 1000 yards even while splitting carries, good at pass blocking, team leader, outstanding character CONS: Dances too much, cant pound the ball running north-south, his agent, his age and injuries Thanks Jimmors for coming over and sharing your review. I live in The Windy as well so I get to see a lot of his game play and read the blurbs about him. There's folks here who percieved him as a line crusher that would compliment our sophomore Washington who had a pretty good rookie year running behind a rookie line. T. J. isn't that guy - but instead is a bigger stronger version of Washington and thats going to leave T.J. the job of busting the line when it's called for. Even worse than in Chicago, opposing defense's will stuff the box on the Jets as they ain't afeered of our QB - so Jones will have to step up and run the plunges. I'm glad we got him. He's an animal with a great ethic and proven leadership skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 So the cliff notes version: PROS: Workhorse, can get 1000 yards even while splitting carries, good at pass blocking, team leader, outstanding character CONS: Dances too much, cant pound the ball running north-south, his agent, his age and injuries Bears fans enjoyed having TJ as part of our team and we are sad to see him go, but most of us wish the best for him, and you guys definitely got a bargain by picking him up. If anyone has any other questions, ill be more then happy to answer them. GREAT RECAP. Thank you for posting it here. We really appreciate that. That is what is the best thing about the internet. We can get first hand accounts from the voices that matter -- the fans of other teams. Awesome job! I am psyched Jones is here. Getting a guy like this who will work well with Leon Washington was the right move. And the price wasn't bad. The Jets are a better team because of this trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 I like when they say hes a workhouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Jones splits show that he does not pick up 1st down yardage on 3rd down carries. He was 19 for 34 in those instances. Jones also had his best YPC avg in games where the Bears were ahead or trailed by 1-8 pts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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