BoomBoomMancini Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 http://msgnetwork.com/content_news.jsp?art...Jets&league=nfl Analysis of Thomas Jones trade Mar 05, 2007 On paper, the Jets trade for Thomas Jones makes a lot of sense. They need a starting quality tailback, and the last two years in Chicago, Jones has proven to be just that, rushing for over 1200 yards each season. He has a nice combination of size, speed and toughness. And the Jets didn't give up a lot to get him, just having to swap second round picks with the Bears to consummate the trade. The Jets sent the 37th pick of the draft to Chicago for selection #63 and Jones. And the Jets still have their original second round pick. The selection sent to the Bears for Jones was acquired from Washington during last year's draft. So to most people, this trade looks like a no-brainer for the Jets. Not so fast. There are a couple of concerns. First off, we are talking about a running back who will be 29 in training camp, and has carried the ball close to 1400 times in this league. Generally running back is a young man's position. There are only so many carries in a tailback's body. Why do you think Colts GM Bill Polian let Edgerrin James walk in free agency last year? Jets doctor Elliott Pellman better give Jones the most extensive physical medically possible before he checks off on this deal. The UVA product has taken a lot of hits over his seven-year career. Remember the Jets acquired damaged goods at running back twice last summer. First they made a trade with Cleveland for Lee Suggs, that was reversed due to the runner's bad knee. Then they made a deal with San Francisco for Kevan Barlow that should have been nixed also, due to that tailback's problematic knee. Barlow said he was "playing on one leg" last year. The other concern is giving up the 37th pick. Picks that high in the second round often land team's players with a first round grade. While the Jets did need to add a tailback, they also have major needs on defense, and it's essential they add some big-time 3-4 talent in the first couple of rounds. Say they pick a defensive end like Nebraska's Adam Carriker with their first round pick. They could have added a top-shelf outside linebacker at the top of the second round like Purdue's Anthony Spencer or Georgia's Quintin Moses. If this trade knocks them out of contention for a dynamic 3-4 pass rushing OLB, that could be a problem. The Jets can't get away with the Front Seven they had last year. Their run defense was substandard in 2006. It's needs major repairs. They also need to improve their pass rush. Gang Green could use two defensive starters in this draft. If this trade costs them a 3-4 stud at the top of the second round, that could hurt them. This deal will be deemed a success if Jones can produce on a high level and stay healthy for two or three years, and if the Jets can still add a couple of 3-4 studs in the first two rounds. Before we call this trade a steal, let's see how things evolve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 Someone should punch this dildo farmer right in his face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasonJet Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 That's a nice thought and all about picking up Moses with the 37th pick, but there is absolutely no way we could go another year without a true #1 running back. STFU leberfeld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 http://msgnetwork.com/content_news.jsp?art...Jets&league=nfl Analysis of Thomas Jones trade Mar 05, 2007 On paper, the Jets trade for Thomas Jones makes a lot of sense. They need a starting quality tailback, and the last two years in Chicago, Jones has proven to be just that, rushing for over 1200 yards each season. He has a nice combination of size, speed and toughness. And the Jets didn't give up a lot to get him, just having to swap second round picks with the Bears to consummate the trade. The Jets sent the 37th pick of the draft to Chicago for selection #63 and Jones. And the Jets still have their original second round pick. The selection sent to the Bears for Jones was acquired from Washington during last year's draft. So to most people, this trade looks like a no-brainer for the Jets. Not so fast. There are a couple of concerns. First off, we are talking about a running back who will be 29 in training camp, and has carried the ball close to 1400 times in this league. Generally running back is a young man's position. There are only so many carries in a tailback's body. Why do you think Colts GM Bill Polian let Edgerrin James walk in free agency last year? Jets doctor Elliott Pellman better give Jones the most extensive physical medically possible before he checks off on this deal. The UVA product has taken a lot of hits over his seven-year career. Remember the Jets acquired damaged goods at running back twice last summer. First they made a trade with Cleveland for Lee Suggs, that was reversed due to the runner's bad knee. Then they made a deal with San Francisco for Kevan Barlow that should have been nixed also, due to that tailback's problematic knee. Barlow said he was "playing on one leg" last year. The other concern is giving up the 37th pick. Picks that high in the second round often land team's players with a first round grade. While the Jets did need to add a tailback, they also have major needs on defense, and it's essential they add some big-time 3-4 talent in the first couple of rounds. Say they pick a defensive end like Nebraska's Adam Carriker with their first round pick. They could have added a top-shelf outside linebacker at the top of the second round like Purdue's Anthony Spencer or Georgia's Quintin Moses. If this trade knocks them out of contention for a dynamic 3-4 pass rushing OLB, that could be a problem. The Jets can't get away with the Front Seven they had last year. Their run defense was substandard in 2006. It's needs major repairs. They also need to improve their pass rush. Gang Green could use two defensive starters in this draft. If this trade costs them a 3-4 stud at the top of the second round, that could hurt them. This deal will be deemed a success if Jones can produce on a high level and stay healthy for two or three years, and if the Jets can still add a couple of 3-4 studs in the first two rounds. Before we call this trade a steal, let's see how things evolve. Thanks for the info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetCane Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 There are only so many carries in a tailback's body. Why do you think Colts GM Bill Polian let Edgerrin James walk in free agency last year? Edge had 2200 carries when the Colts let him walk. Jones has 1300. Do the math Leberfleig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn212 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 Edge had 2200 carries when the Colts let him walk. Jones has 1300. Do the math Leberfleig. Hey Dan..you've been officially CLOWNED!! This is a hit the nail on the head moment Jetcane!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetCane Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 Hey Dan..you've been officially CLOWNED!! This is a hit the nail on the head moment Jetcane!! Leberflag doesnt want to jump on the TJ wagon, that's his choice. But his argument is pretty weak. They could have added a top-shelf outside linebacker at the top of the second round like Purdue's Anthony Spencer or Georgia's Quintin Moses. If this trade knocks them out of contention for a dynamic 3-4 pass rushing OLB, that could be a problem. Gang Green could use two defensive starters in this draft. If this trade costs them a 3-4 stud at the top of the second round, that could hurt them. Woulda, coulda, shoulda. IF my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 Quentin Moses is far from a top shelf OLB. There are questions if he can play there at all and he is real slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 Leberflag doesnt want to jump on the TJ wagon, that's his choice. But his argument is pretty weak. Woulda, coulda, shoulda. IF my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachTsurfing Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 I think moses is going to slide to us anyways with our original 2nd round pick. Lieber is just trying to put his gloom and doom vote now, so if it does go bad he can say "told ya". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 If Lieberfeld has it in mind that we should have used our pick at #37 to draft a 260-lb DE/OLB 'tweener who ran like a 4.9 at the combine, he shouldn't be criticizing what others do. And an even bigger "if" is Carriker dropping from (allegedly #11) to #25. Why not just arrange a fantasy scenario where any player in the world that you want IS 100% available with our first pick, suggest another reach at #37 that we "should have" taken with the Washington pick, and say he has no chance to be there with the Chicago pick. Someone this smarmy and arrogant, with as large of an audience as he has, should be making intelligent arguments. Quintin Moses with the 37th pick. He must think my tv screen needed a freshly thrown brick in it next month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaborJet Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 I think some beat writers just take the other side because no one else will. Gary Meyers is another example of this. Thomas Jones will be just fine. Sperm, who do you want at DE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 Leberfeld probably had some master plan that he was pushing on is subscribers that is not working out.. like Brooks for QB and some other clown for rb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 I think some beat writers just take the other side because no one else will. Gary Meyers is another example of this. Thomas Jones will be just fine. Sperm, who do you want at DE? Anthony Clement is a good run stopper. Maybe him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 Anthony Clement is a good run stopper. Maybe him. Sorry, BoomBoom already has him penciled in at guard. With that versatility, maybe he can play both ways. http://www.jetnation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31874 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 The Jets need Jones to start for two seasons (based on the contract they gave him). They need him to be at least a backup for the next season or two. All that puts him at 33 years old. Curtis was being paid like a feature back beyond that with Bradway's contract. Anyone remember what Leb said when that deal was handed down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 If Jones is successful then it will help keep the defense on the bench where it belongs. And while upgrading the LB corps is necessary, at least the Jets have four pretty good ones. The same cannot be said about RB. It was a dire need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 I like that Leberfeld stood up to the Edwards Error. But keep in mind he thought Cedric Houston and Brooks Bollnger could start in the NFL. Now, I like Houstoon, I think he can be and effective short yqrdage-north/south back. But he's not a starting back.Beginning to think that he's doing this to sell his site by being contrarian. It's got to be a hard business he's in, because as the web has become prevalent, he probably gets zero newsstand sales and very few dead tree subscriptions. Wonder if his whole act is just to be against the CW to sell his media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 Probably right. He was pissed last year when the Jets cut Katnik and Trevor Johnson in favor or Spencer and Riddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jets22 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 What a clown, this is just another example of the lack of respect the Jets get from the sorry a$$ media. This is in my opinion the best deal the Jets have made in a very long time. And they find fault any way . Damned if you do .....damned if you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 Leberfeld has about as much (or little) credibility as Peter King does now for Jets fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEN FIEND Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 What a douche bag. You can't knock this trade no matter how you try to spin it. Maybe.....Carriker would have fallen to us at 25. What if .....we could have picked Quentin Moses? Please. There's no way that Carriker lasts that long on the board. If he makes it past the 49ers, the Steelers won't hesitate to draft this beast a few picks later at 15. Tomlin is a defensive mind and would push hard for a player that can handle the 3-4 that's already in place and play DT or DE in his signature Cover 2. Maybe Quentin Moses would have been desirable........if he didn't show up for his Senior season or the Combine. Mangini wants players with heart and determination. The last time I checked, this guy has neither. He was outplayed by his teammate last year at Georgia and is a risky pick for any team that takes him. Why does Leberfag think that we're going to miss out on a talented OLB when guys like Tim Crowder, Victor Abiamiri, Lamar Woodley, and Ray McDonald (although he might be better suited at end) might fall to us at the 59th pick? My point is the draft is a crap shoot when you consider the fact that you can't control who is there when pick or if they'll be just as dominant at the next level. Thomas Jones is a sure thing and fills one of the biggest holes on our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34st GANG Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 So Danny boy would rather take a flyer on guys who may have tons of talent but have not hit or been hit in the NFL yet vs a guy who has progressed every year in the league. And lets not forget he spent how many years in this Hell Hole we call Arizona. The key here is that Jones also brings the locker room leadership Mangini love. This is a great trade unless he dies on the plane ride to NY. Do Dan STFU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jets rooter Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 Leberflag doesnt want to jump on the TJ wagon, that's his choice. But his argument is pretty weak. Woulda, coulda, shoulda. IF my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. he is only making news thats his job.he knows in his heart that the trade was good for the jets.we will see when the jets revamp the offensive line who was right him or tannenbaum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 Who the hell cares what he thinks. We went down 26 spots to get a superbowl runningback. He needs to shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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