BoomBoomMancini Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Adrian Murrell I think we get similar production.. Murrell had some good years here.. I liked him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSGold12 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Adrian Murell was a 205 pound, shifty HB. Thomas Jones is a 220 pound bull rusher wiht speed. They are nothing alike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 I was thinking more Priest Holmes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 You fellas are delusional. BoomBoom actually has the most rational post in this thread and that in itself is ****ing nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alk Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Leon Washington? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 He reminds me of Clark Gaines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Personally, he reminds me of Chuck Norris. Thomas Jones lost his virginity before his dad did. Thomas Jones's tears cure cancer. Too bad he's never cried. If you can't see Thomas Jones, you may be only seconds from death. See the resemblance? I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Adrian Murell was a 205 pound, shifty HB. Thomas Jones is a 220 pound bull rusher wiht speed. They are nothing alike. no he is not a bull rusher and he is extremely slow. he is good at finding hole and hitting them well but he always gets caught from behind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 no he is not a bull rusher and he is extremely slow. he is good at finding hole and hitting them well but he always gets caught from behind Extremely slow? That's pushing it. Nobody that is "extremely slow" goes that high in the draft. "Virginia RB Thomas Jones was impressive in his workout, running a 4.43 40 yard dash, a 35" vertical and a 10'4" long jump he also benched 225 lbs 24 times. Should easily go in the top ten probably to the Cardinals" www.footballsfuture.com/2000/workouts.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 no he is not a bull rusher and he is extremely slow. he is good at finding hole and hitting them well but he always gets caught from behind hope he starts posting here. he'll fit right in with that kinda resume' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 this site is temporarily down to 2 mods at present. max & smizzy went lookin for tom & some are on vacation. we ask that you be on you're best behavior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.I.MikeBleedsGreen Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Leon Washington?EXACTLY ,that's why I don't like this Pick up at all.He is not the answer and the Poeple will see that in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSGold12 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 no he is not a bull rusher and he is extremely slow. he is good at finding hole and hitting them well but he always gets caught from behind Hes a 220 pound punshing runner with 4.5 speed. Translation: Bull rusher with speed. What games were you watching? As to the Murrell comaprison, they are nothing alike. Jones has much more power then Murell did and hits the hole wiht much more authority. As to being caught from behind, Curtis Martin spent a career getting caught from behind...I didn't hear anyone complaining about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSGold12 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 EXACTLY ,that's why I don't like this Pick up at all.He is not the answer and the Poeple will see that in time. What "answer" are you looking for? Hes had back to back 1200 yard plus seasons He has bad weather experience He has big game experience Hes a powerful 220 pounds and a perfect compliment to the smaller faster Leon He has under 1400 carries on his resume (most RBs start to break down at 2000) He only cost us a drop down in rd 2 of 26 slots. (unlike Turner who would have cost us at least a 1) If he gets 15-18 carries a game he should be good for 1000+ yards for us for the next 2 to 3 seasons. Not to mention the 10-12 carries a game that would give Leon. Between the two, we could be looking at 1800-2000 yards on the ground. If that happens, which seams likely based on his past performance, damn right he was the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.I.MikeBleedsGreen Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 What "answer" are you looking for? Hes had back to back 1200 yard plus seasons He has bad weather experience He has big game experience Hes a powerful 220 pounds and a perfect compliment to the smaller faster Leon He has under 1400 carries on his resume (most RBs start to break down at 2000) He only cost us a drop down in rd 2 of 26 slots. (unlike Turner who would have cost us at least a 1) If he gets 15-18 carries a game he should be good for 1000+ yards for us for the next 2 to 3 seasons. Not to mention the 10-12 carries a game that would give Leon. Between the two, we could be looking at 1800-2000 yards on the ground. If that happens, which seams likely based on his past performance, damn right he was the answer. Is he really that much bigger and faster than Leon? (I don't think so) and to me he is a scat back /does to much dancing behind the line kinda back.I see alot of guys saying he is a bulldozing north & south Runner,but I don't remeber ever seeing him run over anyone or break away from anyone either.But that's JMO and from what I seen from him.My point was that he and leon are simuliar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSGold12 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Is he really that much bigger and faster than Leon? (I don't think so) and to me he is a scat back /does to much dancing behind the line kinda back.I see alot of guys saying he is a bulldozing north & south Runner,but I don't remeber ever seeing him run over anyone or break away from anyone either.But that's JMO and from what I seen from him.My point was that he and leon are simuliar. Huh???? Hes got 15-20 pounds on Leon! Leon plays at 205...Jones played last year at 220-225. A scat back???? Hes strong as an ox, runs with power, and hits the hole hard. Hes not a speed merchant but he can break a 50 yarder if he gets outside. I mean the guy has averaged 1250 yards the past two seasons...and last year he was splitting carries! Leon is like Bruce Harper but with more power. Jones is like Clark Gaines or Scott Dierking but with more speed. Trust me, Leon and Jones are perfect compliments...they are nothing alike as ruinners and will give us a terrific 1-2 punch if used correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oktaren Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Is he really that much bigger and faster than Leon? (I don't think so) and to me he is a scat back /does to much dancing behind the line kinda back.I see alot of guys saying he is a bulldozing north & south Runner,but I don't remeber ever seeing him run over anyone or break away from anyone either.But that's JMO and from what I seen from him.My point was that he and leon are simuliar. i dunno...they are two very different backs in my opinion...jones is average to above average in size and speed isnt his game, he is more of a one cutback type of back, where as leon, now he is a scatback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetCane Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Huh???? Hes got 15-20 pounds on Leon! Leon plays at 205...Jones played last year at 220-225. A scat back???? Hes strong as an ox, runs with power, and hits the hole hard. Hes not a speed merchant but he can break a 50 yarder if he gets outside. I mean the guy has averaged 1250 yards the past two seasons...and last year he was splitting carries! Leon is like Bruce Harper but with more power. Jones is like Clark Gaines or Scott Dierking but with more speed. Trust me, Leon and Jones are perfect compliments...they are nothing alike as ruinners and will give us a terrific 1-2 punch if used correctly. That sounds about right to me. Like anyone else, he may have lost a half-step, and his longest run last year was about 23, whereas before that he was breaking 40 yarders. But he still looked quick last year. He's is definitely heavier and more bruising than Leon. Adrian played at about 212, so he was 'tween them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSGold12 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 That sounds about right to me. Like anyone else, he may have lost a half-step, and his longest run last year was about 23, whereas before that he was breaking 40 yarders. But he still looked quick last year. He's is definitely heavier and more bruising than Leon. Adrian played at about 212, so he was 'tween them. Adrian was much more of a shifty back then Jones and Adrian did not hit the hole very hard. he did have more speed then Jones does but often went down on the first hit and did not break many tackles. Jones has a lot more power to his running game then Adrian did. Leon is a terrific "quick" back who runs wiht a lot more power then one wuld think...but hes still 205. TJ is more of a pounder. They should work very nicely together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.I.MikeBleedsGreen Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Huh???? Hes got 15-20 pounds on Leon! Leon plays at 205...Jones played last year at 220-225. A scat back???? Hes strong as an ox, runs with power, and hits the hole hard. Hes not a speed merchant but he can break a 50 yarder if he gets outside. I mean the guy has averaged 1250 yards the past two seasons...and last year he was splitting carries! Leon is like Bruce Harper but with more power. Jones is like Clark Gaines or Scott Dierking but with more speed. Trust me, Leon and Jones are perfect compliments...they are nothing alike as ruinners and will give us a terrific 1-2 punch if used correctly. This is what I was getting at.The only way it would work is if we had a Brusier in the back field as well.But to me ,the only thing thta will be happening is Tj and leon coming in for one another for rest.Also the 15-20 lbs that he has on leon means nothing if we don't have a line in place for him,which means he would have to do alot of making poeple miss which is not his strong suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Hes a 220 pound punshing runner with 4.5 speed. Translation: Bull rusher with speed. I don't disagree that he's an animal MS - just look at the guys arms. I'm jazzed with the pick-up and don't think we could have done better with what was available in FA. He's not a snowplow line breaker though, and gets most of his yards through cut back lanes with a lot of jukes. When they had the luxury, the Bears used Benson to go up the gut and T. Jones to work the lanes. He's still going to have the box stuffed on him with C.P. under center but that might be ok as he only needs a little bit of space to put his strength to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSGold12 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 This is what I was getting at.The only way it would work is if we had a Brusier in the back field as well.But to me ,the only thing thta will be happening is Tj and leon coming in for one another for rest.Also the 15-20 lbs that he has on leon means nothing if we don't have a line in place for him,which means he would have to do alot of making poeple miss which is not his strong suit. How about this.... TJ is the primary work horse. He'll be in there on most 1st downs and 2nd downs wearing down the D and grinding out yardage. Figure 18 carries a game at about 4.2 a clip whihc gives him 1200 for the year. TJ can also catch the ball out of the backfield quite well and pass protect when we throw on early downs. Washington is the Burce harper back...he comes in on 3rd down to be used on draws, swing passes, quuck screens, etc. Change of pace type plays where he can maximize his quckness. He can also spell TJ on certain second down situations where we might use a inside draw, quick hitting outside run, or a pass play. Give him 10 carries a game and were probably looking at 700+ yards from him. Ced Houston, at 230 with speed, can be the short yardage/goal line specialist. 3 or 4 carries a game, good for a few key first downs and some short TDs. Throw in a Darian Barnes at FB who can open holes and pass pro. You're telling methis isnt a running game that woud be a significant upbrade over last years???? The OL is a different story. Brick has to get stronger and we need to add beef to the right side. But that has nothing to do wiht JOnes who at 220 can move a pile and grind out yardage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSGold12 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 I don't disagree that he's an animal MS - just look at the guys arms. I'm jazzed with the pick-up and don't think we could have done better with what was available in FA. He's not a snowplow line breaker though, and gets most of his yards through cut back lanes with a lot of jukes. When they had the luxury, the Bears used Benson to go up the gut and T. Jones to work the lanes. He's still going to have the box stuffed on him with C.P. under center but that might be ok as he only needs a little bit of space to put his strength to work. Listen, no one is saying he's Earl Campbell...but hes a 220 pound HB who is strong as hell, has some moves, has 4.5 speed, and is coming off two 1200+ seasons. And all we gave up was a drop in rd 2! How can anyone say that is not a great move for us? Who else shuold we have gotten? Ahman Green? TJ Duckett? Give up a #1 and more for Turner? Chris Borwn? No, to me Jones made the most sense. hes only 28, he has a LOT of tread on the tires wiht only 1400 carries and lets be frank...if we get 3 years out of him thats great. Many here got spolied by 8 years of Martin...MOST teams shuffle HBs every 4 years or so unless the guy is THAT special. This was a great move and the perfect type back we needed. Yes Turner would have been a better long term solution and possubly a better RB. But he was going to cost us a ton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.I.MikeBleedsGreen Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 How about this.... TJ is the primary work horse. He'll be in there on most 1st downs and 2nd downs wearing down the D and grinding out yardage. Figure 18 carries a game at about 4.2 a clip whihc gives him 1200 for the year. TJ can also catch the ball out of the backfield quite well and pass protect when we throw on early downs. Washington is the Burce harper back...he comes in on 3rd down to be used on draws, swing passes, quuck screens, etc. Change of pace type plays where he can maximize his quckness. He can also spell TJ on certain second down situations where we might use a inside draw, quick hitting outside run, or a pass play. Give him 10 carries a game and were probably looking at 700+ yards from him. Ced Houston, at 230 with speed, can be the short yardage/goal line specialist. 3 or 4 carries a game, good for a few key first downs and some short TDs. Throw in a Darian Barnes at FB who can open holes and pass pro. You're telling methis isnt a running game that woud be a significant upbrade over last years???? The OL is a different story. Brick has to get stronger and we need to add beef to the right side. But that has nothing to do wiht JOnes who at 220 can move a pile and grind out yardage. MS I love the sound of that,But will it work ? Who knows for sure. I totally forgot about the FB ,This should change alot of things for our run game, And help out the line also.I was just thinking if we didn't do anything on the line in the draft, That we would wind up in the same boat as last year just with 2 leon type backs and hope to god that houston does more than he has in the past and with out the injury's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Yes Turner would have been a better long term solution and possubly a better RB. But he was going to cost us a ton. Bingo. We did good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSGold12 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 MS I love the sound of that,But will it work ? Who knows for sure. I totally forgot about the FB ,This should change alot of things for our run game, And help out the line also.I was just thinking if we didn't do anything on the line in the draft, That we would wind up in the same boat as last year just with 2 leon type backs and hope to god that houston does more than he has in the past and with out the injury's. If Brick hit the weight room this off season and we can upgrade at RT, I see no reason this can't work. Trust me...Jones is NOT Leon. And if used sparingly, Houston could be a very effctive short yardage back. Update: Accoridng to the team site, the Barnes singing is official. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.I.MikeBleedsGreen Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 If Brick hit the weight room this off season and we can upgrade at RT, I see no reason this can't work. Trust me...Jones is NOT Leon. And if used sparingly, Houston could be a very effctive short yardage back. Update: Accoridng to the team site, the Barnes singing is official. Sweet , this changes things now .I know he is not leon but they are very simuliar in height and size.But now we have a full back that should be able to open up some holes for him and we should see the Tj you are talking about (Hopefully) Also I think Houston should be used more than just a short yardage back .I want him in there more to beat on the D a little then we bring in the 2 smaller/faster backs for the the tired D to chase and try to bring down but that's jmo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSGold12 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Sweet , this changes things now .I know he is not leon but they are very simuliar in height and size.But now we have a full back that should be able to open up some holes for him and we should see the Tj you are talking about (Hopefully) Also I think Houston should be used more than just a short yardage back .I want him in there more to beat on the D a little then we bring in the 2 smaller/faster backs for the the tired D to chase and try to bring down but that's jmo. ARG!!! They are NOT simlar in size! Jones plays at 220+!!! Leon plays at 205. And JOnes is a workout maniac so its not like that extra 15-20 is fat. To categorize him as a "small/fast" back like Washngton is just SO wrong. he's only 5 pounds lightr the Houston! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 If Brick hit the weight room this off season and we can upgrade at RT, I see no reason this can't work. Trust me...Jones is NOT Leon. And if used sparingly, Houston could be a very effctive short yardage back. Update: Accoridng to the team site, the Barnes singing is official. We still need that mauling guard on the line as well. Kendall and Moore just aren't cutting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 ARG!!! They are NOT simlar in size! Jones plays at 220+!!! Leon plays at 205. And JOnes is a workout maniac so its not like that extra 15-20 is fat. To categorize him as a "small/fast" back like Washngton is just SO wrong. he's only 5 pounds lightr the Houston! Dude, you are missing the point. It does not matter how big Thomas Jones is. The point is that he PLAYS like another Leon Washington. Ron Dayne was like 250 pounds. He was a dancer, just like Thomas Jones. Who cares that Tom Jones weighs 220 if he plays like a guy that weighs 205? IMO, we got an older, slower version of Leon. So, yeah, that's why I'm not exactly stoked that we traded a borderline first round pick for a borderline third round pick to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.I.MikeBleedsGreen Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Dude, you are missing the point. It does not matter how big Thomas Jones is. The point is that he PLAYS like another Leon Washington. Ron Dayne was like 250 pounds. He was a dancer, just like Thomas Jones. Who cares that Tom Jones weighs 220 if he plays like a guy that weighs 205? IMO, we got an older, slower version of Leon. So, yeah, that's why I'm not exactly stoked that we traded a borderline first round pick for a borderline third round pick to get him. For the Love Of Christ, THANK YOU Troll, that's all I've been trying to tell MSGold.I think you and I are the only guys on the board who aren't Jumping for joy for this Pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsfanbkny Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 For the Love Of Christ, THANK YOU Troll, that's all I've been trying to tell MSGold.I think you and I are the only guys on the board who aren't Jumping for joy for this Pick. L.I you dont like this trade i think he's a perfect fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.I.MikeBleedsGreen Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 L.I you dont like this trade i think he's a perfect fitIt's not that I don't like him in our system ,I just felt that we kinda already have a RB with simuliar skills in leon.The problem lies with in the O-line. And Not in leon or houston and barlow and blaylock just plain suck if you ask me.I thought we could have gotten a better, bigger ,younger RB though the draft Is all i'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny green balls Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 you know who boomboom kind of reminds me of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 It's not that I don't like him in our system ,I just felt that we kinda already have a RB with simuliar skills in leon.The problem lies with in the O-line. And Not in leon or houston and barlow and blaylock just plain suck if you ask me.I thought we could have gotten a better, bigger ,younger RB though the draft Is all i'm saying. He is a much stronger much more aggressive RB than Leon, he runs a different style. Also 15-20 lbs is a lot of strength when your talking all/mostly muscle. And leon was rumored to be barely at the 200lb mark... This was a great pickup for a great price... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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