AFJF Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 This talk about Randy McMichael being a target for the Jets and some of the enthusiasm shown by fans about bringing him to New York got me to wondering. McMichael has had a couple of incidents documented where he assaulted his girlfriend (once while she was pregnant) and when he was a dolphin he was a "scumbag" and a "terrible human being" but now that he's a free agent who can catch the football, a lot of fans are willling to forgive and forget his history of beating on women. I was just wondering where each person draws the line? I've heard a lot of fans say "I don't care what a player does in his personal life as long as he can play football". So, if Randy McMichael or any other NFL player for that matter was available and they were a top talent. Perrenial pro bowler. Would you want that player on your team if he were a rapist? Murderer? Child molester? If you see video of the player running from the cops after being busted on "to catch a predator" do you think to yourself "what a doucebag" or do you think "wow, he must run a 4.4 40, pick up the phone Tangini"? Again, just wondering where folks draw the line. What crimes are overriden by great football talent and which ones aren't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 This talk about Randy McMichael being a target for the Jets and some of the enthusiasm shown by fans about bringing him to New York got me to wondering. McMichael has had a couple of incidents documented where he assaulted his girlfriend (once while she was pregnant) and when he was a dolphin he was a "scumbag" and a "terrible human being" but now that he's a free agent who can catch the football, a lot of fans are willling to forgive and forget his history of beating on women. I was just wondering where each person draws the line? I've heard a lot of fans say "I don't care what a player does in his personal life as long as he can play football". So, if Randy McMichael or any other NFL player for that matter was available and they were a top talent. Perrenial pro bowler. Would you want that player on your team if he were a rapist? Murderer? Child molester? If you see video of the player running from the cops after being busted on "to catch a predator" do you think to yourself "what a doucebag" or do you think "wow, he must run a 4.4 40, pick up the phone Tangini"? Again, just wondering where folks draw the line. What crimes are overriden by great football talent and which ones aren't? potw nom F-this scumbag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Fans are quick to insult or boycott players when they are not on their favorite team. But once the jersey changes the opinion changes.. sad state of society Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 8, 2007 Author Share Posted March 8, 2007 Fans are quick to insult or boycott players when they are not on their favorite team. But once the jersey changes the opinion changes.. sad state of society Not all fans 4H....I wouldn't take players like McMichal, Randy Moss, Ricky Williams, Bill Romanowski....none of em. JMO of course. I was wondering where other folks stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Randy McMichael is a lowlife and I'd be very disappointed if we brought him in. Not only that but he's really overrated anyway so who gives a sh*t about this guy. The real question is this, what would all you guys say if Larry Johnson was a FA? Same situation but much higher caliber player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 This talk about Randy McMichael being a target for the Jets and some of the enthusiasm shown by fans about bringing him to New York got me to wondering. McMichael has had a couple of incidents documented where he assaulted his girlfriend (once while she was pregnant) and when he was a dolphin he was a "scumbag" and a "terrible human being" but now that he's a free agent who can catch the football, a lot of fans are willling to forgive and forget his history of beating on women. I was just wondering where each person draws the line? I've heard a lot of fans say "I don't care what a player does in his personal life as long as he can play football". So, if Randy McMichael or any other NFL player for that matter was available and they were a top talent. Perrenial pro bowler. Would you want that player on your team if he were a rapist? Murderer? Child molester? If you see video of the player running from the cops after being busted on "to catch a predator" do you think to yourself "what a doucebag" or do you think "wow, he must run a 4.4 40, pick up the phone Tangini"? Again, just wondering where folks draw the line. What crimes are overriden by great football talent and which ones aren't? Do you have the details of the incidents? I can't seem to find them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 8, 2007 Author Share Posted March 8, 2007 There ya go. McMichael was arrested on July 9, 2005 in Columbia County, Georgia after witnesses told police he gave his wife a bloody nose. His wife, Cawanna McMichael, told police the contact with her husband was an accident as he was throwing some of her belongings out of their 1984 Cadillac Coupe de Ville. Witnesses told police they saw McMichael throw his wife from the car. One witness told police he saw the athlete throw his wife away from the vehicle several times, according to the report. Cawanna McMichael was treated at the scene. According to the police report, McMichael had two glasses of wine and several beers before arguing with his wife, but he refused to take a field Breathalyzer test. [2] This marked the second domestic incident for McMichael. Prosecutors decided not to file charges after McMichael was arrested in June 2004 and accused of hitting his wife. McMichael had been charged with aggravated battery on a pregnant woman, a second-degree felony that is punishable by up to 15 years in prison. For the second time in a little more than a year, Dolphins tight end Randy McMichael was arrested after an incident with his wife, Cawanna. This time, the Dolphins' record-setting tight end spent Saturday morning in the Columbia County Detention Center in Georgia. He was arrested on misdemeanor counts of simple battery and criminal trespass after he got into a confrontation with his wife at a Waffle House restaurant in Grovetown, Ga., just after midnight. Shortly after the argument started in the restaurant, Cawanna McMichael got up to leave. Randy McMichael threw his cell phone at her as she walked away, according to The Augusta Chronicle. He then went outside with her and started to throw some of her belongings out of the their 1984 Cadillac Coupe de Ville. According to the report, four witnesses told police they saw McMichael, who is 6-3 and 245 pounds, throw his wife from the car. One witness said McMichael threw his wife away from the vehicle several times. Cawanna McMichael, 22, was found by police with drops of blood on her shirt and told police the contact with her husband was an accident from him throwing her belongings. She was treated at the scene of the alleged incident. Pathetic to see these women claim that getting hit by their spouse was "an accident" because of the lifestyle they want to hold on to. Riiiiight...McMichael is accidently hitting these women and being let off the hook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Hasty Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 To the extent that players are a distraction to their teammates and coaches their talent should be taken with a grain of salt. That being said, some of these players with off the field problems that can get along with their teammates and love the game of football aren't all that big of a problem. Professional football is extremely competative and every opportunity to improve should be explored. Brandon Merriweather is an example of a guy that has a bad reputation and stomped on some kid's head during a game on national TV. He also had an incident where he fired a registered gun at someone who had shot one o his teammates. From what I understand, this guy listens to coaches, gets along with his teammates and provides leadership on the field. He is also one hell of a football player. I would have a long talk with his coaches to get the full story but really don't see a problem. Randy McMichael is more of a risk as his off the field problems may get him kicked out of the league. I don't follow Miami very closely but I haven't heard of him being a problem in the locker room or on the field. If the guy can show up and play football I have no problem signing him. I do feel that his problems should factor into the amount of compensation though. Randy Moss is a whole different story. The guy is a lazy piece of crap that takes plays off. I would put Michael Vick in the same category. Vick is extremely talented but isn't committed to improving himself as a player. I would put off the field problems or character isues in the same category as injuries. They take away from the value of a player but by no means would I completely write off a player if I thought he could add value to my team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbn007 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 .Randy Moss is a whole different story. The guy is a lazy piece of crap that takes plays off. I would put Michael Vick in the same category. Vick is extremely talented but isn't committed to improving himself as a player. Vick is a direct result of his getting a long term, big $$$ contract, IMO. It happens too often to too many guys. Some guys get big $$$ and do not produce because they do not have teh talent. But Vick has all the talent in the world, and still................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Johnson and Moss are merely jerks. McMichael was arrested because he's a pregnant-woman-beating piece of garbage. This is a crime. There was that rumor with Johnson in a nightclub/bar a little while back. Something like he dragged her by the hair. It may have been real & it may have been bs. But if he was squeaky-clean no one makes allegations like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l_j_r Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 ... not with a 10 foot pole covered in cow-$%^& ... l_j_r Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 I'm a little iffy on these crimes folks. Yes women lie so that they do not get their abusive spouse in trouble. But sometimes it is wrong place wrong time. And there are women actually sick enough to use these laws to minipulate a situation. Just saying that this warrents investigation of family/friends if I'm the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.I.MikeBleedsGreen Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Chris Baker > Randy McFumbles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenBeans Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 This talk about Randy McMichael being a target for the Jets and some of the enthusiasm shown by fans about bringing him to New York got me to wondering. McMichael has had a couple of incidents documented where he assaulted his girlfriend (once while she was pregnant) and when he was a dolphin he was a "scumbag" and a "terrible human being" but now that he's a free agent who can catch the football, a lot of fans are willling to forgive and forget his history of beating on women. I was just wondering where each person draws the line? I've heard a lot of fans say "I don't care what a player does in his personal life as long as he can play football". So, if Randy McMichael or any other NFL player for that matter was available and they were a top talent. Perrenial pro bowler. Would you want that player on your team if he were a rapist? Murderer? Child molester? If you see video of the player running from the cops after being busted on "to catch a predator" do you think to yourself "what a doucebag" or do you think "wow, he must run a 4.4 40, pick up the phone Tangini"? Again, just wondering where folks draw the line. What crimes are overriden by great football talent and which ones aren't? I'm with you, AFJ - I hated Quincy Carter being brought in a few years back, I didn't like when they picked up Josh Evans, and I'd be disappointed if the wife beater was signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetfuel Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Not all fans 4H....I wouldn't take players like McMichal, Randy Moss, Ricky Williams, Bill Romanowski....none of em. JMO of course. I was wondering where other folks stand. Randy Moss may have had his problems but he does not belong in that group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebabyny Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 This talk about Randy McMichael being a target for the Jets and some of the enthusiasm shown by fans about bringing him to New York got me to wondering. McMichael has had a couple of incidents documented where he assaulted his girlfriend (once while she was pregnant) and when he was a dolphin he was a "scumbag" and a "terrible human being" but now that he's a free agent who can catch the football, a lot of fans are willling to forgive and forget his history of beating on women. I was just wondering where each person draws the line? I've heard a lot of fans say "I don't care what a player does in his personal life as long as he can play football". So, if Randy McMichael or any other NFL player for that matter was available and they were a top talent. Perrenial pro bowler. Would you want that player on your team if he were a rapist? Murderer? Child molester? If you see video of the player running from the cops after being busted on "to catch a predator" do you think to yourself "what a doucebag" or do you think "wow, he must run a 4.4 40, pick up the phone Tangini"? Again, just wondering where folks draw the line. What crimes are overriden by great football talent and which ones aren't? You know, I really like the fact that the Jets are never in the news for this type of crap. I always smile when I open up the Post to read stories about Tiki's talk about his coach, or what that jackoff Shockey did this week to make himself look like a bigger @ss. It is this past season that I kind of figured out a big part of the reason why the Jets generally get less coverage than the Gints, we are relatively boring off the field. Even listening to interviews, you can just hear a difference between the way most of the Jets in the limelight carry themselves vs a lot of the other players in the league. It may not be flashy or sexy, but sticking to quality players who have character is the key to long term success. That character off the field will definitely carry over to the locker room and on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehands Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 I agree that players with a criminal history or a history of doing things destructive to the team don't have a place on the Jets. But I also feel that there are instances where good people do bad things. The only way to separate the deviants from the people who have learned their lesson is to speak with people close to them and interview the person directly. If McMichael gets bad reports from his position coaches or is less than contrite about the incidents in his interview, then cut him loose. Let's not forget that some of the players we hold up as good teammates, have had instances in their past where they have made bad decisions. Anyone willing to say that we should have never given Laverneous Coles a chance? Should Brian Thomas not have been resigned? Were the Jets correct to pass on Dan Marino? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 You know, I really like the fact that the Jets are never in the news for this type of crap. It means a lot to have a low meathead quotient on a team. Damn sure doesn't get you a ring, but you seldom see a team with a bunch of assclown's all vying for the attention stay on top very long. It feels good to know that as long as Mangini is around that kind of selfish BS won't be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny green balls Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 that's a difference between self-destruction (quincy "troubled" carter) and harming others-- i don't want a pos pregnant lady beater on this team and i'd be disappointed if we picked him up. at least until his first TD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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