Jets Offense.....Unstoppable in 2007?

[MTJ06]

What are your expectations for the Jets offense in 2007, what should be their expected PPG average or do you see them as unstoppable, above average, average ect.

1) As a unit they should be way ahead of last season as they (with the exception of this year new additions) will be in the second year under the system so they wont have to spend time learning the system and can spend alot more time perfecting it.

2) Last years rookies in key positions, center, tackle, RB, and wr, are now in year 2 and should be much improved over last year due to having knowledge of the system and NFL life itself.

3) With the addition of Thomas Jones, the drafting of Leon & Brad Smith, and the development of Cotch this team now has alot of playmakers that can be used in many different ways. (also Coles & Baker)

I am looking forward to the season to see how we are going to utilize all of our playmakers and think we should be able to score with anyone.

[Smizzy]

unstoppable? With rag arm back there?

[MTJ06]

unstoppable? With rag arm back there?

Smizz

Thats a part of the point I was trying to make. We have pretty much upgraded/changed the entire offense, except for 1 position (QB). The OL should be much better, playmakers & gamebreakers (I feel like Clyde saying that) at WR & RB, does Chad and the offense excel this year? It certainly should.

[JetCane]

Smizz

Thats a part of the point I was trying to make. We have pretty much upgraded/changed the entire offense, except for 1 position (QB). The OL should be much better, playmakers & gamebreakers (I feel like Clyde saying that) at WR & RB, does Chad and the offense excel this year? It certainly should.

As long as CP can cut down on the ints, they should do pretty well.

He's been in the league long enough to not commit those costly turnovers.

If he cant effectively cut down on the picks next season, it may hasten the debut of Mr. Clemens. Mangini doesnt like mistakes.

[Arsis]

unstoppable? With rag arm back there?

we did pretty good last year with rag arm, if we upgraded everything else odds are we at least improve on last year. I don't think we'll be impossible but with the improved running game and less pressure and the first injury-free offseason for Penny we have to ability to be pretty good.

[MTJ06]

As long as CP can cut down on the ints, they should do pretty well.

He's been in the league long enough to not commit those costly turnovers.

If he cant effectively cut down on the picks next season, it may hasten the debut of Mr. Clemens. Mangini doesnt like mistakes.

I agree JC. The rest of the offense seems to be in place now its up to the qb to play mistake free and lead the Offense to tds.

[Irish Jet]

our offence should be awesome next year. there arent really any weaknesses now that we have T. Jones. Our passing game was good last year, the only real problem was that teams wouldnt fall for play action as our running game wasnt effective enough. With T Jones next year, Chad,Cotch and Coles should be able to pick teams apart next year. the real worry for me is the defence, they really let me down last season.

Cant wait.

ROLL ON SEPTEMBER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Arsis]

The defense did improve as the season went along. They were crap against the run but at least they showed progress. I would only be disappointed if they sucked and didn't at least try to improve or didn't show any progress.

[MTJ06]

The defense did improve as the season went along. They were crap against the run but at least they showed progress. I would only be disappointed if they sucked and didn't at least try to improve or didn't show any progress.

I heard Tanny on the radio the other day and he said this draft is very deep on the defensive side of the ball. Since the offense seems set you would have to think they will draft heavily for D.

[shawn306]

Offense is set !?!

Please tell me you are kidding.

This offense still has a long way to on the OL. Manglold and D'Brick did very well as rookies but the right side of the line was mediocre at best and without a doubt still needs to be upgraded.

Heck I wouldn't be surpised if the Jets went out and got another receiver as well.

The offense should be better than last year but there is still work to be done on BOTH sides of the ball.

[JetCane]

I heard Tanny on the radio the other day and he said this draft is very deep on the defensive side of the ball. Since the offense seems set you would have to think they will draft heavily for D.

When I heard that, I thought they should take the best available OL with the first round pick, since there will be defensive players available later on.

[MTJ06]

When I heard that, I thought they should take the best available OL with the first round pick, since there will be defensive players available later on.

I thought they might go offense as well when I heard it. I was thinking either OL or maybe the TE Olsen if he was still around, much to the displeasure of many here, but he may have moved himself to far up the board after the times he ran.

[PFSIKH]

What are your expectations for the Jets offense in 2007, what should be their expected PPG average or do you see them as unstoppable, above average, average ect.

1) As a unit they should be way ahead of last season as they (with the exception of this year new additions) will be in the second year under the system so they wont have to spend time learning the system and can spend alot more time perfecting it.

2) Last years rookies in key positions, center, tackle, RB, and wr, are now in year 2 and should be much improved over last year due to having knowledge of the system and NFL life itself.

3) With the addition of Thomas Jones, the drafting of Leon & Brad Smith, and the development of Cotch this team now has alot of playmakers that can be used in many different ways. (also Coles & Baker)

I am looking forward to the season to see how we are going to utilize all of our playmakers and think we should be able to score with anyone.

JonE?

1) Why? While being in the second year of a system is obviously a benefit, the team did not exactly set the league on fire against an easy schedule.

2) Maybe, but maybe not. Again, in theory, rookies should be better, but it is not exactly a gurantee. For every guy that finally gets it, there is a guy that suffers from a sophmore slump.

3) Jones should upgrade the offense, but in reality whether you want to admit it or not, the schedule is harder.

Mangini's biggest test will be keeping the team focused. It is only natural for a team that comes from nowhere to suffer slight regression. If Mangini avoid this, the team will be okay, but if he cannot the team could slide back a bit.

[JetCane]

I thought they might go offense as well when I heard it. I was thinking either OL or maybe the TE Olsen if he was still around, much to the displeasure of many here, but he may have moved himself to far up the board after the times he ran.

If he was a better blocker, and showed more passion for the game, I'd think more highly of Olsen.

[AVM]

When I heard that, I thought they should take the best available OL with the first round pick, since there will be defensive players available later on.

I agree...the more we get into the offseason, with the moves theyve been making, the more i think mangini/tannenbaum are eyeing Blalock perhaps. Got a RB, so #1 need is check. DL is #2, and while the guy from dallas may not be great, hes almost assuredly better than Kimo. Mangini is probably extremely confident(possibly too much so) in his ability to turn nobodies into good CB's, so if he's going to try to go as is with any position, its most likely CB. And i wrote way to much to say i agree....lol

[MTJ06]

JonE?

1) Why? While being in the second year of a system is obviously a benefit, the team did not exactly set the league on fire against an easy schedule.

2) Maybe, but maybe not. Again, in theory, rookies should be better, but it is not exactly a gurantee. For every guy that finally gets it, there is a guy that suffers from a sophmore slump.

3) Jones should upgrade the offense, but in reality whether you want to admit it or not, the schedule is harder.

Mangini's biggest test will be keeping the team focused. It is only natural for a team that comes from nowhere to suffer slight regression. If Mangini avoid this, the team will be okay, but if he cannot the team could slide back a bit.

PF

1) The Jets did actually score alot of points against the easy teams on their schedule.(GB 38, Det 31, Indy 28 (easy D in season), Buffalo 28, Minny 26, Hou 26,Ten 23, Oak 23, avg 27.9 PPG) It was the interdivision games that were low scoring and the games against top Ds (NE 17,17, Mia 20, 13, Buff, 13 (second game), Cleve 13, and the 2 big hits to overall scoring were the losses to Jax and Chic in which we were shutout, avg 11.6 ppg. Some of those low scores NE, and Mia could be attributed to bad weather)

2) I agree that many players suffer from sophmore slumps, however I would like to think that the types of players that our teams draft have less of a chance of this happening them being leaders and team captain types. Give me the choice between a rookie running back running behind a line with a rookie center and rookie tackle on it or an experienced running back and a second year running back running behind a line with 2 second year players on it I will take the latter.

3) While the schedule is harder than last year, what aspect of it makes it harder? I think its because the teams the Jets play this year have capable offenses that will make it harder to outscore them and not because we are playing against teams that have tough defenses. Teams like Cincy, tennessee, Washington, Dallas, the Giants gave up alot of points last year, Philly and KC can also be scored on, the only tough defenses added on this year are Balt and Pitt.

[MTJ06]

Offense is set !?!

Please tell me you are kidding.

This offense still has a long way to on the OL. Manglold and D'Brick did very well as rookies but the right side of the line was mediocre at best and without a doubt still needs to be upgraded.

Heck I wouldn't be surpised if the Jets went out and got another receiver as well.

The offense should be better than last year but there is still work to be done on BOTH sides of the ball.

This years offensive needs as of March

Right OLineman

#4? wide receiver

Last years Offensive needs/question marks on opening day

QB-were unsure of what Chad would be, had a rookie in Clemens and Ramsey

RB-Had Kevan Barlow who was an unknown and a rookie in Leon (Blaylock & Cedric??)

WR-had Coles, Cotch was starting for the first time, Jmac at 3 and a rookie in brad smith along with Tim Dwight

OL had 2 rookies starting at key positions.

So yeah Id say the offense is just about set.

[James Hasty]

What are your expectations for the Jets offense in 2007, what should be their expected PPG average or do you see them as unstoppable, above average, average ect.

1) As a unit they should be way ahead of last season as they (with the exception of this year new additions) will be in the second year under the system so they wont have to spend time learning the system and can spend alot more time perfecting it.

2) Last years rookies in key positions, center, tackle, RB, and wr, are now in year 2 and should be much improved over last year due to having knowledge of the system and NFL life itself.

3) With the addition of Thomas Jones, the drafting of Leon & Brad Smith, and the development of Cotch this team now has alot of playmakers that can be used in many different ways. (also Coles & Baker)

I am looking forward to the season to see how we are going to utilize all of our playmakers and think we should be able to score with anyone.

We still need help on the right side of our OL. If we fix that look out!

[war ensemble]

This thread has too many sunshiners. Let's get down to earth guys.

[Barton]

This thread has too many sunshiners. Let's get down to earth guys.

The Jets offense would be extremely lucky to crack top 15 in scoring.

Oh and I'm not kidding either.

[ECURB]

The Jets offense would be extremely lucky to crack top 15 in scoring.

Oh and I'm not kidding either.

Luck is on their side, they will be in the top 10.

[Smizzy]

The Jets offense would be extremely lucky to crack top 15 in scoring.

Oh and I'm not kidding either.

You are correct.

[PFSIKH]

PF

1) The Jets did actually score alot of points against the easy teams on their schedule.

3) While the schedule is harder than last year, what aspect of it makes it harder? I think its because the teams the Jets play this year have capable offenses that will make it harder to outscore them and not because we are playing against teams that have tough defenses. Teams like Cincy, tennessee, Washington, Dallas, the Giants gave up alot of points last year, Philly and KC can also be scored on, the only tough defenses added on this year are Balt and Pitt.

That first statement is very telling. The Jets with the exception of the Cleveland game was shutdown by varying degrees of good defenses.

While what Buffalo is going to do with the loss of Clements and Fletcher remains to be seen. NEx2, MIx2, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, KC (gave up same amount of points as Pitt) and Philadelphia are some pretty good Ds to face. Plus, you have trips to Dallas and Cincinnati. Cleveland and Washington are about the only two slam dunks on the schedule and we know how that went with Cleveland last year.

The Jets might be better this year, but it is not going to show in the record.

[PeterNorth09]

Smizz

Thats a part of the point I was trying to make. We have pretty much upgraded/changed the entire offense, except for 1 position (QB). The OL should be much better, playmakers & gamebreakers (I feel like Clyde saying that) at WR & RB, does Chad and the offense excel this year? It certainly should.

Unless we draft Justin Blalock and/or Aaron Sears I don't see the offensive line getting much better. With Ferguson (290 lbs) and Kendall (290 lbs) we may have the most undersized left side in the league. Mangold will still be Mangold. The right side is looking more and more like either Brandon Moore or Adrian Jones will start.

Moore is a back-up. Jones can play LT or LG but he is not strong enough to play RT.

And Jay Fiedler's son is our future fanchise quarterback.

[MTJ06]

The Jets might be better this year, but it is not going to show in the record.

I agree that it may not show in the record. Our offense is going to have to score alot to keep us in or help us win games as the teams we play can score alot of points themselves.

[DaBrick Wall]

Unless we draft Justin Blalock and/or Aaron Sears I don't see the offensive line getting much better. With Ferguson (290 lbs) and Kendall (290 lbs) we may have the most undersized left side in the league. Mangold will still be Mangold. The right side is looking more and more like either Brandon Moore or Adrian Jones will start.

Moore is a back-up. Jones can play LT or LG but he is not strong enough to play RT.

And Jay Fiedler's son is our future fanchise quarterback.

Exactly. Too many people in this thread are overlooking the biggest weakness at the positions that make everything on the offense go smoothly, the offensive line. Even though D'Brick is, IMO, an above-average pass protector already and will get better, he is just plain awful in run-blocking. Kendall is way undersized and showed some signs of aging this year. Moore is not a starter and either is Jones/Clement. The Jets need to rework 3/5 of their offensive line to be a major powerhouse offensively, and it's not realistic to expect it to happen this offseason.

[Ghost]

We have a QB who can't throw that far. It seems to me we're going to have the same offense as last year, maybe better. I'm hoping we have a Top 10 of course, but we need a great offensive line, and Pennington is going to have another solid year.

[PeterNorth09]

Exactly. Too many people in this thread are overlooking the biggest weakness at the positions that make everything on the offense go smoothly, the offensive line. Even though D'Brick is, IMO, an above-average pass protector already and will get better, he is just plain awful in run-blocking. Kendall is way undersized and showed some signs of aging this year. Moore is not a starter and either is Jones/Clement. The Jets need to rework 3/5 of their offensive line to be a major powerhouse offensively, and it's not realistic to expect it to happen this offseason.

Offensive Line and Quarterback were the two biggest needs of our offense. D'Brickshaw Ferguson was not worth the 4th pick in the draft. He's a good pass protector but he is a below mediocre run blocker. Kendall was a liability in the running game last year and will continue to be next year and he's probably finished anyway.

The right side will continue to be awful unless we hit a home run in the draft and somehow get both Blalock and Sears. But now after trading the #35 pick that seems impossible.

This year's draft does not have as many good offensive linemen as last year's draft did. Last year you saw the Saints get the best Rookie Guard, Jahri Evans, in the 4th round and the Patriots got a good RT, Ryan O'Callaghan, who started the first 10 or so games for them in the 5th Round. After Thomas, Brown, Blalock, Kalil and Sears there is a huge drop off in offensive line talent this year.

In 2006 you had McNeil, Mangold, Whitworth, Trueblood, O'Callaghan, Colledge, Jason Spitz, Jonathan Scott, Eric Winston and Jahri Evans. There are talented guys like Justice, Jean-Gilles and Greg Eslinger who probably will be good to excellent but haven't had the opportunity to play yet. 2006 may have had the strongest O-Line class in the past 10 or so years.

As for Quarterback I think you all know how I feel about the next Jay Fiedler Kellen Clemens. Jason Taylor schools D'Brickashaw Ferguson another 4 or 5 times and Chad Pennington will probably be retiring. Looks like we'll be drafting a QB in 2008.

[Sperm Edwards]

PF

1) The Jets did actually score alot of points against the easy teams on their schedule.(GB 38, Det 31, Indy 28 (easy D in season), Buffalo 28, Minny 26, Hou 26,Ten 23, Oak 23, avg 27.9 PPG)

GB 38

14 of those points came after GB dropped sure interceptions. This in addition to the two they DIDN'T drop.

Det 31

They were playing without BOTH of their starting DT's. Other than the 44-yd TD to McCareins in badly blown coverage, Chad had 145 yds, 0 TD's, and 1 INT against the Lions' 25th-ranked pass defense.

Buffalo 28

7 of that was Victor Hobson returning a fumble for a TD, one of 3 Losman turnovers. The offense scored 21, not 28.

Indy 28

7 of that was Justin Miller returning a KO return for a TD. The offense scored 21, not 28.

Minnesota 26

Was terrible at that point. We were like the 6th team in a row to hang at least 20 on them.

Houton 26

We scored 7 of that on a "drive" started on Houston's 26. Also we managed 1.0 ypc (27 rushing yds on 27 attempts) vs a defense that gave up 4.5 ypc vs everyone else.

Ten 23

Tennessee was just awful outside of Travis Henry at this point. The defense also spotted us 3 extra possessions by picking off 3 passes from Collins & Young. This was week 1. Weeks 2-10, their opponents would average over 29ppg.

Oakland 23

3 of that was zero offense, as we took over on Oakland's 22 after Brooks' fumble and still only walked away with the same FG we'd have had by doing a Herm-kneel on the ball 3x. And Oakland was playing for draft slot while we were playing for a playoff spot. They didn't even look like they were playing.

It also glosses over:

Getting shut out by Jax. The game prior and after that game, they gave up 36 to the Redskins and 27 to the Texans. We couldn't even manage a single FG.

Getting shut out by Chicago. I don't even want to discuss this game, as our defense put us in a position to win it.

Chad looking like a 3rd-stringer about to get cut vs the otherwise 3-12 Browns. Spare me the crap about the bad call on Baker's TD (which would have TIED the game, not won the game). It never should have come down to that. When we took over on that last drive with 1:56 remaining, Chad had 85 passing yards, 0 TD's, and 2 INT's.

Getting man-handled by those same Bills again, who gave up 4.9ypc to the non-Jets on the season. We managed 4.3 and then (with the playoffs on the line) 3.08 ypc. If you think Thomas Jones is 2 ypc better than our running game last year, you're kidding yourself.

Hopefully this will get better with another year in the system for most of the team, an NFL strength & conditioning program for D'Brick and Leon, an upgrade from Barlow to Jones, an upgrade at FB from Askew to Barnes, and Brad Smith being now a full year removed from being a full-time QB. But against the league's better teams, we still have handicaps at:

- short-yardage/goal-line back (though we could use Barnes in this role with Pociask/other at FB)

- WR's 3-5

- QB

- TE

- OG

- RT

I still consider the most important member of the team to be the HC, so hopefully that will overcome some of these shortcomings again & we'll win a couple that we're not "supposed" to.

Cross your fingers. But this won't be a "dangerous" offense until someone steps up & de-thrones Chad, we add 2 OLmen, and Baker learns to block or is replaced outright by a more well-rounded TE.

[MTJ06]

Cross your fingers. But this won't be a "dangerous" offense until someone steps up & de-thrones Chad, we add 2 OLmen, and Baker learns to block or is replaced outright by a more well-rounded TE.

Sperm,

Pretty much the point I am trying to get at. Our offense did play well at times last year against the weaker Ds, and we had more question marks then, then we do now. Going into this year with the addition of barnes, Jones, players going into their second year in the system as well as players going into their second year as starters or key contributers, Cotch, Leon, DBrick, Mangold, and Smith, and what every Chad supporter out there says, Chad having a full offseason of work without having to rehab an injury, the offense should be able to perform at a high level. Everybody should be able to see exactly what Chad has left, and determine if we need to move on. If he plays well great, but if he doesnt there shouldnt be any excuses.

[Barton]

Sperm,

Pretty much the point I am trying to get at. Our offense did play well at times last year against the weaker Ds, and we had more question marks then, then we do now. Going into this year with the addition of barnes, Jones, players going into their second year in the system as well as players going into their second year as starters or key contributers, Cotch, Leon, DBrick, Mangold, and Smith, and what every Chad supporter out there says, Chad having a full offseason of work without having to rehab an injury, the offense should be able to perform at a high level. Everybody should be able to see exactly what Chad has left, and determine if we need to move on. If he plays well great, but if he doesnt there shouldnt be any excuses.

What I want to know is where was Chad the first 2 offseasons of his career?

Was he eating biscuits and gravy or was he lifting weights? The guy comes in after being a redshirt for 2 years in the NFL, and his arm looks worse than it was in college and he's been nothing but a china doll since.