Anyone ever stop and think... We NEVER had the best team

[DefenseWinsChampionships]

Everyone always says Chad cant win us the big game, Chad cant get us far, this and that.

Anyone ever stop and think... Its a TEAM game and our Jets never had the BEST TEAM in the NFL...

Even last season... We had 2 rookies on the O-Line... We had K.Barlow as our freaking starting running back... Our cornerbacks were below average, we dont have the right players in the 3-4...

All I know is this, If D.Brien woulda made one of the 2 kicks vs Pitt, Chad and the Jets woulda been 1 game away from the SB...

Now im not a Chad lover, but I do know this... A QB can not go to the championship without a championship type team... And this Jets team has not had a Championship type team since 98

[Barton]

All I know is putting up 3 points in 5 quarters of playoff football isnt good enough.

Wish harm to Doug Brien all you want, but Chad was the real problem we didnt beat the steelers in 2004 FYI.

[DefenseWinsChampionships]

Nah it was actually Herm who lost that game... All the should do is keep the game close, Chad kept the game close... Herm lost the game

[shutout]

Nah it was actually Herm who lost that game... All the should do is keep the game close, Chad kept the game close... Herm lost the game

3 points does not keep it close. Santana Moss and Reggie Tongue kept it close,and Chad and Herm failed to capitalize.

[Sperm Edwards]

Nah it was actually Herm who lost that game... All the should do is keep the game close, Chad kept the game close... Herm lost the game

I agree that Herm blew it, particularly in the end. But in what way did Chad "keep the game close"? Was it his 8.7 yards per completion? Was it his zero touchdowns in 33 pass attempts? Or is Chad expected to just not throw 3 interceptions (like he did in the prior Steelers game) and then it's "job well done" for him? Talk about setting the bar low.

We scored 17 points. 7 came from special teams, 7 came from the defense, and 3 came from the offense.

[124]

I don't know how many times for the 99 season preview I saw the Jets favored to win it all and dethrown Elway & co. We had the best team going into that season and then Vinny's ACL happened. You can even argue that our 98 club was better then Denver's but we will never know.

[Sperm Edwards]

I don't know how many times for the 99 season preview I saw the Jets favored to win it all and dethrown Elway & co. We had the best team going into that season and then Vinny's ACL happened. You can even argue that our 98 club was better then Denver's but we will never know.

Nah. They had a great, clutch/gamer HB & we didn't.

[leviot]

Everyone always says Chad cant win us the big game, Chad cant get us far, this and that.

Anyone ever stop and think... Its a TEAM game and our Jets never had the BEST TEAM in the NFL...

Even last season... We had 2 rookies on the O-Line... We had K.Barlow as our freaking starting running back... Our cornerbacks were below average, we dont have the right players in the 3-4...

All I know is this, If D.Brien woulda made one of the 2 kicks vs Pitt, Chad and the Jets woulda been 1 game away from the SB...

Now im not a Chad lover, but I do know this... A QB can not go to the championship without a championship type team... And this Jets team has not had a Championship type team since 98

Good post. Many mediocre QBs (Dilfer, Roethlisberger, Hostetler, Brad Johnson) have led their teams to championships, and many great ones didn't (Marino, Fouts). Football is a TEAM game. Obviously you have a much better chance with a great QB, but that's not everything. I'm no big Chad fan, but this idea that he can "never" lead the Jets to a SB is wrong, and history has proven it.

[shawn306]

All I know is putting up 3 points in 5 quarters of playoff football isnt good enough.

Wish harm to Doug Brien all you want, but Chad was the real problem we didnt beat the steelers in 2004 FYI.

You keep saying that to yourself.

The Jets shouldn't have even been in that game.

[Barton]

You keep saying that to yourself.

The Jets shouldn't have even been in that game.

Why's that?

Either way, we were in that game.

[pjam76]

Yeah maybe the Jets shouldn't have even been in that Steelers game. Then again, the defense intercepted big ben, they scored a td and special teams scored a TD. It was the offense that didn't bother to show up in that game.

I mean come on, the Pats won a couple super bowls in seasons they really shouldn't have. The infamous tuck rule. The Ravens didnt' even have an offense. The Giants didn't deserve to beat the BIlls. They got lucky against the 49ers and they got lucky against the Bills... Heck, the Colts didnt' exactly play their best in this seasons playoffs and super bowl but have a SB title.

There are many teams who shouldn't have won but do, that is life. That is sports. Sometimes a team gets lucky. Sometimes they play their best at the right time. Sometimes they play ok while the other team stinks it up, whatever it is, the Jets were in that game and the Jets should have won.

The kicker did miss two FGs, but say what you want, Chad P, Curtis Martin, the entire offense, and Herm blew that game. If they score another freaking FG sometime in that game, There is no need to worry about a last second missed FG or two.

But the problem with the Jets is they never have the best team. They had a nice team with Parcells, but they were not close to one of the best. And it showed how they couldn't score a point in the second half of the Championship game against the Broncos.

Vinny T went down early, but Vinny T was also a guy known for throwing bad interceptions in pressure situations. That team was ok, but Vinny went down and they lost like 7 straight. That's not a great team.

The Eagles lost Mcnabb last season yet still made it to the playoffs, won their division, and even won a playoff game. A few seasons back Mcnabb went down yet the team still went like 6-1, made the playoffs, made it to the championship game with a half injured Mcnabb. I don't think those Eagles teams were great, but the fact is, The Jets lost Vinny and they wound up one of the worse teams in the league to start that season. Yeah they made a nice run at the end that ment absolutely nothing with Lucas.

The problem I have is that the Jets never have the best team. I liked what this coaching staff did last season, but i'm not sold on the talent they bring in here. Besides Mangold, there were no realy playmakers that this front office brought in. Maybe that will change this season, who knows. As of right now, the Jets are not close to being a great team with a QB who fumbles, throws picks, and crumbles after he makes a mistake. And in the playoffs, that is a problem when you don't have a great team.

[shawn306]

A defense that could not hold a 17-10 lead. That fell for a Steelers trick play for the second time that season in that SAME situation.

An offensive line that through the years constantly got beat up by the Steelers.

A kicker who failed not once but TWICE to put the Steelers away.

And a QB that couldn't get his team in the end zone.

We all blamed Brien for the the loss. Then when Brien was gone, everyone went after Hackett, then it was Herm who got the blame for the loss.

Well now with everyone gone lets blame Chad.

So where am I going with this.

I want someone to name me the QB who got his team to the Super Bowl all by himself. That is what you guys are looking for.

Hate to tell you but guys like Brady and Manning come once maybe every ten years and even then that is not a guarantee to get you to the Super Bowl.

You need talent on both sides of the football. Something the Jets have very rarely put together at the same time.

Hopefully Mangini can put those pieces together. If it is Chad that is fine with me. I think he is more than capable of doing the job. If it is Clemens well then I guess I will start drinking the Clemenade.

[Jet Moses]

A defense that could not hold a 17-10 lead. That fell for a Steelers trick play for the second time that season in that SAME situation.

An offensive line that through the years constantly got beat up by the Steelers.

A kicker who failed not once but TWICE to put the Steelers away.

And a QB that couldn't get his team in the end zone.

We all blamed Brien for the the loss. Then when Brien was gone, everyone went after Hackett, then it was Herm who got the blame for the loss.

Well now with everyone gone lets blame Chad.

So where am I going with this.

I want someone to name me the QB who got his team to the Super Bowl all by himself. That is what you guys are looking for.

Hate to tell you but guys like Brady and Manning come once maybe every ten years and even then that is not a guarantee to get you to the Super Bowl.

You need talent on both sides of the football. Something the Jets have very rarely put together at the same time.

Hopefully Mangini can put those pieces together. If it is Chad that is fine with me. I think he is more than capable of doing the job. If it is Clemens well then I guess I will start drinking the Clemenade.

POTW nom.

And just for the record, Brady - Vinateieri = also ran

As for Manning, the year he scored 49 TD's, the Colts got bounced by the Chiefs. Looking a the Colts last year, the sum of their parts won it all, and Manning was just a part. It's ironic that, compared to his overall career, Manning finally won a ring during one his average years.

[ECURB]

POTW nom.

And just for the record, Brady - Vinateieri = also ran

As for Manning, the year he scored 49 TD's, the Colts got bounced by the Chiefs. Looking a the Colts last year, the sum of their parts won it all, and Manning was just a part. It's ironic that, compared to his overall career, Manning finally won a ring during one his average years.

Ill 2nd that

Manning played terrible at times in the playoffs in 06' and won it all becuase of his TEAM, Brady had a poor team around him compared to years past in 06' and couldnt get it done.

[Jet Moses]

Ill 2nd that

Manning played terrible at times in the playoffs in 06' and won it all becuase of his TEAM, Brady had a poor team around him compared to years past in 06' and couldnt get it done.

No doubt, it takes a team to win it all. A QB can't carry the load. Jim Kelly couldn't do it, Dan Marino couldn't do it, Fran Tarkenton couldn't do it, Dan Fouts couldn't do it...

[GimmeShelter]

A defense that could not hold a 17-10 lead. That fell for a Steelers trick play for the second time that season in that SAME situation.

An offensive line that through the years constantly got beat up by the Steelers.

A kicker who failed not once but TWICE to put the Steelers away.

And a QB that couldn't get his team in the end zone.

We all blamed Brien for the the loss. Then when Brien was gone, everyone went after Hackett, then it was Herm who got the blame for the loss.

Well now with everyone gone lets blame Chad.

So where am I going with this.

I want someone to name me the QB who got his team to the Super Bowl all by himself. That is what you guys are looking for.

Hate to tell you but guys like Brady and Manning come once maybe every ten years and even then that is not a guarantee to get you to the Super Bowl.

You need talent on both sides of the football. Something the Jets have very rarely put together at the same time.

Hopefully Mangini can put those pieces together. If it is Chad that is fine with me. I think he is more than capable of doing the job. If it is Clemens well then I guess I will start drinking the Clemenade.

Clemenade. That is too funny.

124, please pass Barton some more Clemenade.

[Jet Moses]

Clemenade. That is too funny.

124, please pass Barton some more Clemenade.

Clemenade!

[124]

Pennington can't even get us to an AFC Championship Game. Yeah, Marino & Kelly and others never won it but at least they got their team there.

Cannot wait for a few years from now when Pennington is long, long gone and we can all talk about how Clemens' talent was wasted on the bench for 2 or 3 years while Chad led us to a few more 9 or 10 win seasons and 2 playoff wins mixed in! Yeah!

Gotta love Chad! Playoffs and nowhere!

[ECURB]

Pennington can't even get us to an AFC Championship Game. Yeah, Marino & Kelly and others never won it but at least they got their team there.

Cannot wait for a few years from now when Pennington is long, long gone and we can all talk about how Clemens' talent was wasted on the bench for 2 or 3 years while Chad led us to a few more 9 or 10 win seasons and 2 playoff wins mixed in! Yeah!

Gotta love Chad! Playoffs and nowhere!

I know its all Chads fault...

I love how you and Barton know so much mroe than Tangini... you guys should take over an NFL team...

[Barton]

I know its all Chads fault...

I love how you and Barton know so much mroe than Tangini... you guys should take over an NFL team...

Tangini will end up playing Clemens.

[124]

I know its all Chads fault...

I love how you and Barton know so much mroe than Tangini... you guys should take over an NFL team...

Clemens' time will come. Whether be in the start of 07, mid 07 due to a poorus record or another Pennington injury and at latest we're looking at 2008. They are letting Clemens learn, unfortunately, for a second year on the bench. Remember, ya boy Chad sat 3 years before his time came.

Clemens eventually will be the starter and Chadwick will be gone, without a Super Bowl... heck, he won't even have an AFC Championship Game apperance.

[ECURB]

Tangini will end up playing Clemens.

Clemens' time will come. Whether be in the start of 07, mid 07 due to a poorus record or another Pennington injury and at latest we're looking at 2008. They are letting Clemens learn, unfortunately, for a second year on the bench. Remember, ya boy Chad sat 3 years before his time came.

Clemens eventually will be the starter and Chadwick will be gone, without a Super Bowl... heck, he won't even have an AFC Championship Game apperance.

They wont bench Chad in 08' right after he just won the superbowl...

[124]

They wont bench Chad in 08' right after he just won the superbowl...

Are you that much of a homer that you think the 2007 Jets are going to come close to a Super Bowl?

[Pragmatic Bus]

Everyone always says Chad cant win us the big game, Chad cant get us far, this and that.

Anyone ever stop and think... Its a TEAM game and our Jets never had the BEST TEAM in the NFL...

Even last season... We had 2 rookies on the O-Line... We had K.Barlow as our freaking starting running back... Our cornerbacks were below average, we dont have the right players in the 3-4...

All I know is this, If D.Brien woulda made one of the 2 kicks vs Pitt, Chad and the Jets woulda been 1 game away from the SB...

Now im not a Chad lover, but I do know this... A QB can not go to the championship without a championship type team... And this Jets team has not had a Championship type team since 98

TROLL ALERT!!!

[Pragmatic Bus]

we had so much talent on that team that if chad had a better arm we wouldnot have needed dbrien's kick. we should have shlacked their asses. look how they got beat by the patsies the next game

[Pragmatic Bus]

you cant say we didnot have a running game or a good o line because martin won the rushing title. and defence showed up big time. vilma forced a jerrome bettis fumble in overtime

[#27TheDominator]

Clemens' time will come. Whether be in the start of 07, mid 07 due to a poorus record or another Pennington injury and at latest we're looking at 2008. They are letting Clemens learn, unfortunately, for a second year on the bench. Remember, ya boy Chad sat 3 years before his time came.

Clemens eventually will be the starter and Chadwick will be gone, without a Super Bowl... heck, he won't even have an AFC Championship Game apperance.

Unfortunately? You have that much faith in our coaching staff that you think Clemens is ready and being held back? You are dead sure Clemens will be a better than mid-level starting caliber qb? Based on what? You must have watched a lot of Ducks games. I'm not so sure Chad can lead the Jets to a super bowl, but I think his chances are better than Clemens chances of being as good as Pennington.

we had so much talent on that team that if chad had a better arm we wouldnot have needed dbrien's kick. we should have shlacked their asses. look how they got beat by the patsies the next game

you cant say we didnot have a running game or a good o line because martin won the rushing title. and defence showed up big time. vilma forced a jerrome bettis fumble in overtime

You do remember that Chad was playing with a torn up shoulder, don't you? That he came back because he's not a wuss hiding on the bench and the world's smartest coach thought he was best for the job. Chad's arm may be weak now, but it's stronger than it was during the playoffs in '04.

[jetfuel]

All I know is putting up 3 points in 5 quarters of playoff football isnt good enough.

Wish harm to Doug Brien all you want, but Chad was the real problem we didnt beat the steelers in 2004 FYI.

Chad lost that game? What about Herm sitting on the ball to make Brien try 40+ yard field goals in Pittsburgh?

[green_blood]

i say that brad smith will lead the jets to the promised land.

[ECURB]

Are you that much of a homer that you think the 2007 Jets are going to come close to a Super Bowl?

How many wins did you think we would have in 06'? Anything is possible 124, especially with a real head coach...

[Ghost]

All I know is putting up 3 points in 5 quarters of playoff football isnt good enough.

Wish harm to Doug Brien all you want, but Chad was the real problem we didnt beat the steelers in 2004 FYI.

I don't understand how you could say that. A PROFESSIONAL kicker should be able to kick a 43 yard field goal ( I BELIVE IT WAS 43 ), lucky for Doug he has two chances, but missed them both.

[Barton]

I don't understand how you could say that. A PROFESSIONAL kicker should be able to kick a 43 yard field goal ( I BELIVE IT WAS 43 ), lucky for Doug he has two chances, but missed them both.

You're missing the point.

If Pennington had put up at least 1 TD scoring drive that entire game (5 Qs as it went into OT) than Doug Brien wouldnt have been needed and we wouldnt have had to rely on a frickin kicker.

[ECURB]

You're missing the point.

If Pennington had put up at least 1 TD scoring drive that entire game (5 Qs as it went into OT) than Doug Brien wouldnt have been needed and we wouldnt have had to rely on a frickin kicker.

Chad got Brien in range for not 1 but TWO GAME WINNING FG's TWO!!!!

Its not like we started on the Pitt 30 yard line, we had to get there somehow... and once we got in range thats when Herm likes to just sit still and hope the kicker gets it done.

Blame Chad for not getting a TD all you want, but its not like he had the freedom he has now to call plays... he was Herms puppet and THAT is never going to turn out well.

Now with Mangini/Shotty here you will start to see a change, sure that 4th down pass against the Colts got picked in the endzone, but Mangini has the nuts to call that play, eventually it will work, not every time but at least we know that we have a coach now that knows the importance of scoring TD's and not just FGs.

I could see if we never had gotten the chance to kick the FG's but Chad was out there leading that offense down to within FG range, its not 100% his fault that they stalled once they got there.

[Barton]

Chad got Brien in range for not 1 but TWO GAME WINNING FG's TWO!!!!

Its not like we started on the Pitt 30 yard line, we had to get there somehow... and once we got in range thats when Herm likes to just sit still and hope the kicker gets it done.

Blame Chad for not getting a TD all you want, but its not like he had the freedom he has now to call plays... he was Herms puppet and THAT is never going to turn out well.

Now with Mangini/Shotty here you will start to see a change, sure that 4th down pass against the Colts got picked in the endzone, but Mangini has the nuts to call that play, eventually it will work, not every time but at least we know that we have a coach now that knows the importance of scoring TD's and not just FGs.

I could see if we never had gotten the chance to kick the FG's but Chad was out there leading that offense down to within FG range, its not 100% his fault that they stalled once they got there.

Playing for FGs doesnt get you to the superbowl. You need touchdowns. End of story.

1 TD in his last 11 Quarters of playoff football. Nuff said.

BTW, it was Barretts INT and run back that got Brien into position for the 2nd game winning field goal attempt, not Chad. Too bad Pennington couldnt even get the Jets a 1st down, or Brien would have been in much closer range!

[shawn306]

Playing for FGs doesnt get you to the superbowl. You need touchdowns. End of story.

1 TD in his last 11 Quarters of playoff football. Nuff said.

BTW, it was Barretts INT and run back that got Brien into position for the 2nd game winning field goal attempt, not Chad. Too bad Pennington couldnt even get the Jets a 1st down, or Brien would have been in much closer range!

It worked for the Giants in 1990.

Seriously though. I can't blame Brien for the first one. Only one kick had been made from that distance the entire season from that side of the field.

The second one though I don't know what else you could ask for. If you can't make that kick then you shouldn't be kicking in the NFL.