Is Jamarcus Russell a cant miss QB?

[Matt39]

I have my doubts, but apparently many do not.

Is this kid gonna go number one overall or what?

[johnny green balls]

there is no guarantee: see ryan leaf.

easy to say now that ryan leaf was destined to fail b/c of bad attitude, whatever but at the time many, many people thought he should go before peyton.

[gang_green03]

I don't think he's can't miss but he has a rediculous arm and a lot of talent. He's still raw and apparently needs technique work and what not. He might also need to work on his awareness, but he did seem to improve as a passer every year so that's a good sign.

I can't see the Raiders passing on him unless they somehow trade Moss, but even then they might still pick him.

[bitonti]

PFW is reporting today that many teams see Quinn as the far less risky prospect - one team "off the record" said they had Russell as a second round pick on their value board.

[madmike1]

PFW is reporting today that many teams see Quinn as the far less risky prospect - one team "off the record" said they had Russell as a second round pick on their value board.

That team is probably the Lions. Anyone who has Russell as a 2nd round pick with his SICK tools is a laughing stock.

[joewilly]

I only really watched russell in the bowl game but wow. it seems hard to go too far wrong with a guy that size,speed & rocket arm.

[D'brickMangoldJets]

I know very little about college football. Havn't seen Russel play much but he's definatly better then Quinn in my opinion.

[JetCane]

PFW is reporting today that many teams see Quinn as the far less risky prospect - one team "off the record" said they had Russell as a second round pick on their value board.

Hey bit, is there any truth to the reports that Russell flunked out his last semester?

[SouthernJet]

Hey bit, is there any truth to the reports that Russell flunked out his last semester?

that could just mean he stopped goin to classes..might have had a decent gpa, but knew nfl was comin and why go to class if he knew he was leavin early..

[JetCane]

that could just mean he stopped goin to classes..might have had a decent gpa, but knew nfl was comin and why go to class if he knew he was leavin early..

It goes to his mindset. Is he not thinking about getting a degree?

Compare that with a lot of other players who dont stop going to class, even though they know their money will come from playing football.

[CoachTsurfing]

Jamarcus is not dropping out of the first round. If he did fall to us at 25 and we didn't take him, I really would stop being a jets fan. I doubt he falls out of the top 5. Definately not past the dolphins pick.

[ECURB]

Jamarcus is not dropping out of the first round. If he did fall to us at 25 and we didn't take him, I really would stop being a jets fan. I doubt he falls out of the top 5. Definately not past the dolphins pick.

We had a rocket arm QB (cutler) in our laps last year and didnt take him, what makes you think they would this year if he fell to us?

[Untouchable]

No prospect regardless of position is a "can't miss".

[jetsman1]

Most people are basing their opinion of Russell on that ONE bowl game!!!Where has he been the last couple of years???????Trust me,Brady Quinn will be the better QB and he is more ready to step in and start from day one than Russell.

Let me ask everyone a question:

Before LSU played Notre Dame in that bowl game this year,had you even heard of JaMarcus Russell??If you're honest,most of you hadn't heard of him.Now,ask yourself,if he is SOOOO good,why is that????????????????????????

[joewilly]

Most people are basing their opinion of Russell on that ONE bowl game!!!Where has he been the last couple of years???????Trust me,Brady Quinn will be the better QB and he is more ready to step in and start from day one than Russell.

Let me ask everyone a question:

Before LSU played Notre Dame in that bowl game this year,had you even heard of JaMarcus Russell??If you're honest,most of you hadn't heard of him.Now,ask yourself,if he is SOOOO good,why is that????????????????????????

pretty hard not to hear of brady quinn since notre dame must own a tv network. they're on every week.

I only know russell from the bowl game but even if raw, it seems he's got the goods to be a great one. I think there's a huge upside to a qb being that big & athletic

[madmike1]

It goes to his mindset. Is he not thinking about getting a degree?

Compare that with a lot of other players who dont stop going to class, even though they know their money will come from playing football.

What does he need a degree for?

[JetCane]

What does he need a degree for?

Ask Jon Vilma.

I wouldnt call any player who didnt have enough discipline to avoid flunking out "cant miss".

[jetsman1]

pretty hard not to hear of brady quinn since notre dame must own a tv network. they're on every week.

I only know russell from the bowl game but even if raw, it seems he's got the goods to be a great one. I think there's a huge upside to a qb being that big & athletic

Russell may very well be great,in time,but Quinn is gonna be able to start from day one and I also think he will be great.He has been running a pro offense almost flawlessly since Weiss went to Notre Dame and he makes great reads in that offense.

Some of the throws Russell made were pretty ordinary because his receivers beat the coverage so badly at times,but he also made a couple of great throws that only a few QB's would probably have made.I believe that Russell can be very good with proper coaching,but I think Quinn has already had that coaching and will make an immediate impact for the team that takes him.

The topic of this thread was if Russell was a can't miss QB,and my reaction to that is no,he isn't,but then,no one is anyway.There is always a risk when selecting QB's,it's just that some carry more risk than others.

[faba]

The guy has the power arm but it has been proven so many times that is no guarantee of success in the NFL at QB. Any QB drafted is more risky than other positions.

[madmike1]

Ask Jon Vilma.

I wouldnt call any player who didnt have enough discipline to avoid flunking out "cant miss".

I don't see the problem if he stopped going to class...

[joewilly]

Russell may very well be great,in time,but Quinn is gonna be able to start from day one and I also think he will be great.He has been running a pro offense almost flawlessly since Weiss went to Notre Dame and he makes great reads in that offense.

Some of the throws Russell made were pretty ordinary because his receivers beat the coverage so badly at times,but he also made a couple of great throws that only a few QB's would probably have made.I believe that Russell can be very good with proper coaching,but I think Quinn has already had that coaching and will make an immediate impact for the team that takes him.

The topic of this thread was if Russell was a can't miss QB,and my reaction to that is no,he isn't,but then,no one is anyway.There is always a risk when selecting QB's,it's just that some carry more risk than others.

well yeah, there are no can't miss draftees I agree. I had young figured for a bust based on throwing motion, raw bla bla bla. sure the jury's still out on him but it looks like his pure athleticism is gonna help carry him. Russell just strikes me as a beast of a q'back if there is such a thing but I know nothing about his character, which I agree is important especially at q'back

I'm not as impressed with quinn as you are & I have seen quite a few dame games.

[Pragmatic Bus]

who cares we are not drafting him period. this is jetnation not oakland nation

[JetCane]

The guy has the power arm but it has been proven so many times that is no guarantee of success in the NFL at QB. Any QB drafted is more risky than other positions.

Yes it is, especially when you stop going to school and just live on a free ride.

The NFL people weigh all these factors, and sometimes the player's behavior is revealing of their character.

I dont think Leinart did himself any favors by going back for his last year and taking one course in ballroom dancing and going to playboy parties. I'd bet it was discussed by Tangini when they were evaluating last year's draft.

[faba]

Yes it is, especially when you stop going to school and just live on a free ride.

The NFL people weigh all these factors, and sometimes the player's behavior is revealing of their character.

I dont think Leinart did himself any favors by going back for his last year and taking one course in ballroom dancing and going to playboy parties. I'd bet it was discussed by Tangini when they were evaluating last year's draft.

I am the old fashioned type- i want to see dedication in a player- going to school and sticking it out there shows me something about their character.

[CoachTsurfing]

I honestly haven't heard of Jamarcus Russell until the bowl game. But how many of you heard the name of Vince Young before his bowl game. Alright, honestly that wasn't that great of an analogy, but a lot fewer people heard of Young, and then a lot more after the national championship game. And as far as us passing up on Cutler who also had a strong arm, I would have to argue that based on just physical skills. Jarmarcus is better then Cutler.

[R44]

I've only seen one truly "can't miss" QB in all my years watching football and that's when I was a kid and first got into the sport. That QB was John Elway. He was the LeBron James, Sidney Crosby of his era -- the type of player teams would've tanked games to draft. Haven't seen another one since.

As great as Manning was/is, there was the whole Ryan Leaf thing.

I posted this at DD.com and I really believe it -- teams are too darn attached to drafting QB's#1 overall and it's totally stupid and counterproductive.....Tim Couch, Michael Vick, David Carr and Alex Smith should've never even been considered as #1 picks, but the media and fans seem to need to push QB's to go #1 overall for some silly reason.....

For the record, I think both Jamarcus and Quinn are worthy top 10 picks (maybe even top 5 picks), but Calvin has to be the #1 pick -- in a sane world!

DD.comment: From 1965 to 1989, only 6 quarterbacks where drafted #1 overall. In an era gone by, the only way a team would even consider drafting a quarterback first overall, was "if" they had a glaring need at the spot and "if" the top prospect was, in fact, a quarterback. It worked, as 4 of those 6 quarterbacks won multiple Super Bowls (Elway, Plunkett, Bradshaw and Aikman -- 11 combined). The other two (Bartkowski and Testaverde) had long, productive N.F.L. careers.

But it seems since 1999 this has been the "unofficial rule" in the N.F.L. Draft: The number one overall pick is reserved only for quarterbacks, regardless if they are worthy of the number one pick or not! We think this is a flawed strategy and believe it's very safe to say that the last 6 quarterbacks selected number one overall (since 1999) won't even come close to winning a combined 11 Super Bowls in their careers.

The 2000 and 2006 drafts were the only drafts since 1997 were a quarterback didn't get selected #1 overall, but that's only because Cleveland (2000) and Houston (2006) had already reached for "franchise quarterbacks" (Tim Couch and David Carr) and could not pick up another one that quickly.

Point?

No offense to Brady Quinn or Jamarcus Russell, but we think the Oakland Raiders have to pick Calvin Johnson, as he's by far the best available player. The draft does not end after the first overall pick and they can always draft another quarterback in round two or three. Or, considering the Raiders are in total rebuilding mode, the they can always build up their O-Line and receiving corp and then select a top quarterback in the next draft -- Brian Brohm, Colt Brennan, ect.

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[Pragmatic Bus]

I honestly haven't heard of Jamarcus Russell until the bowl game. But how many of you heard the name of Vince Young before his bowl game. Alright, honestly that wasn't that great of an analogy, but a lot fewer people heard of Young, and then a lot more after the national championship game. And as far as us passing up on Cutler who also had a strong arm, I would have to argue that based on just physical skills. Jarmarcus is better then Cutler.

any body who actually watched college ball had heard of them both. and cutler is a far superior QB than russel. cutler has a better arm. he has the intangibles and he was more polished than cutler was .russel is a cullpepper clone

[The Troll]

No such thing as a can't miss prospect.

[The Troll]

Most people are basing their opinion of Russell on that ONE bowl game!!!Where has he been the last couple of years???????Trust me,Brady Quinn will be the better QB and he is more ready to step in and start from day one than Russell.

Let me ask everyone a question:

Before LSU played Notre Dame in that bowl game this year,had you even heard of JaMarcus Russell??If you're honest,most of you hadn't heard of him.Now,ask yourself,if he is SOOOO good,why is that????????????????????????

Do you even watch college football?

He has been the starting QB for a perennial top ten team for the past two and a half seasons.

[NJ]

I'm with Rigg's - there are 4X the busts then those that even have good careers. Let alone Canton.

[R44]

NJ, here is an article that backups your contention a bit:

http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/sports/columnists/terry_pluto/16746427.htm

I just don't know why NFL teams have basically made the #1 exclusive to quarterbacks since the end of the 1990's......Some of these were very weird picks!

Michael Vick -- He left college after his sophomore season. In his sophomore season, he only completed 90 attempts and threw 12 TD's! That less than 10 completions a game, and folks are surprised he can't throw the ball well?

David Carr -- I'll never figure out what NFL teams saw in this cat....First round prospect, yes. Number one overall, a wild reach!

Alex Smith -- Might be a dumber #1 overall pick than the other two.....Went from being recruited by 1-aa teams to leaving school early at 20 years old....49ers drafted a Chad Pennington type (prospect worthy of the 25th pick) #1 overall, for the sake of picking a QB.

Teams like the Raiders need to wise up......the draft doesn't end after the #1 pick.

When the Chargers traded the Mike Vick pick, the media was laughing at them -- but that trade alone got them L.T. and Drew Brees!

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[Ghost]

He's the next big thing in the NFL. He has a future like no other.

[shawn306]

Forget the fact that he tore up Notre Dame. Notre Dame is about as overated a top 25 team as you can get.

This guy did the job in undoubtly the best football conference in the country.

He has an arm like no one I have seen except for maybe Elway.

If you put him with coaches that will build an offense around his strenghts there is no telling what he can do.

Put it this way....

If the Raiders DON'T take him with the first pick and take Calvin Johnson instead then Al Davis should be put out to pasture and shot. Russell throwing to a suddenly motivated Randy Moss and Jerry Porter would bring back the long back offense that Davis holds so near and dear to his heart.

Russell should be the next HUGE star. It is all going to depend on the coaches developing him and Russell working hard to make it happen.

[SouthernJet]

It goes to his mindset. Is he not thinking about getting a degree?

Compare that with a lot of other players who dont stop going to class, even though they know their money will come from playing football.

ha, ,most of them stop when they are leavin in junior year,, not so when the ystay as senior, ,they ride it out..

most of football juniors , and BBall underclassmen who are leavin,,do though though, i guarantee, ,ask johnny green balls

[JetCane]

ha, ,most of them stop when they are leavin in junior year,, not so when the ystay as senior, ,they ride it out..

most of football juniors , and BBall underclassmen who are leavin,,do though though, i guarantee, ,ask johnny green balls

I dont think so for the football players, at least not at schools that have any semblance of academic standards, which LSU does not. And those that do stop going dont help themselves one bit.