MTJ06 Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 Giants, Jets taking notes March 25 Newark Star-Ledger (scroll down) (registration required): "Some Penn State people noted that Coughlin paid rapt attention to LT Levi Brown's workout. (To which we replied: When doesn't Coughlin pay rapt attention when on the football field?) Meanwhile, a Jets assistant, reportedly LB coach Jim Herrmann, met with linebackers Paul Posluszny and Tim Shaw. He conducted a personal workout with Shaw." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gang_green03 Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 I'm starting to come around on Poz, but I still really hope the Jets don't take him in the 1st round. Don't really think he's a 3-4 LB. Poz seems to be that "Mangini guy" so that makes me nervous. As far as Shaw, I'm not sure about him. He showed very good speed in workouts and he's a very good blitzer. Needs to bulk up but I guess he could be a good inside or outside linebacker in the 3-4. Don't really know how he'd fit into the defense though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad2colesin06=--- Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 im a big fan of poz in college but those kind of "old school" slower hard hitting lb's just dont play well in the pros these days (see schlegel) if you value character over talent that is a formula for losing and i think that is what the case would be if we took poz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 im a big fan of poz in college but those kind of "old school" slower hard hitting lb's just dont play well in the pros these days (see schlegel) if you value character over talent that is a formula for losing and i think that is what the case would be if we took poz In the first round yes. Anywhere else and the guy is a good value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbon Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 Did you guys miss the part where it said that Shaw was the one who got a private workout? I think the Jets are much more interested in Shaw as an OLB replacement for Hobson in 08 than in Poz. I think they are thinking of taking him in the mid rounds, letting him sit a year and develop his body and skill set, then set him up in the Vrabel type roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 I hope the Jets learned from their Schlegel mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 I hope the Jets learned from their Schlegel mistake He was a rookie, he made mistakes, I'm not ready to jump to the conlusion that he is worthless. Who knows, he could gain a lot of athletiscm during the off-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 if the guy could not even get in on special teams that has to be concerning..especially where he was picked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 in 3-4 shaw and poz both are ILB. shaw played DE for a few games and sucked at it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 if the guy could not even get in on special teams that has to be concerning..especially where he was picked you're right, it is a problem as a first year goes. i still think he'll get better, i liked the pick at the time (i'm not a draft gu-ru by any means). i think big 10 defenders are good bets for quality palyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 Where is the comparison between Posluszny and Schlegel?? Schlegel was the third fiddle in a GREAT LB core. On the other hand, here's something I found about Posluszny.... "was given the label of 'best linebacker ever to play at Penn State,' by none other than Jack Ham...Former winner of both the Butkus (nation's top linebacker in 2005) and Bednarik (nation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbon Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 Poz's problem is that he wasnt even the best LB on his team last season -- Dan Conner was better -- regardless of what Jack Ham says and he only got the Butkus instead of Hawk because he to stupid to wear a helmet that fits and he kept getting a boo boo on his nose that bleads and makes him look tough during the game. PSU moved him inside last season and he got owned by college teams for a good portion of the season. Do you really think he can play inside in a 3-4 in the pros if he couldnt play inside in a 4-3 in college. If you ask me Shaw has the potential to be a classic 3-4 OLB. He wouldnt be playing the hybrid DE/OLB spot. That spot belongs to B Thomas. He'd be playing the spot currently occupied by Hobson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 Gibbons, I'm not saying I want Posluszny, per se, but to compare him to Schlegel is pretty weak. Anyway I think he'll be a good 4-3 backer. He probably wouldn't fit into our scheme so I would say we should stay away from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbon Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 Gibbons, I'm not saying I want Posluszny, per se, but to compare him to Schlegel is pretty weak. Anyway I think he'll be a good 4-3 backer. He probably wouldn't fit into our scheme so I would say we should stay away from him. I didnt compare him to Schlegel. But, in college, they did have fundamentally different rolls. Posluszny was expected to be the play maker so defensive schemes were established to get him in position to make plays. Schlegel at (OSU) was expected to fill running lanes in the middle to force teams to run outside. At Air Force where he was the playmaker his numbers his sophomore year were very similar to Poz's average numbers -- different levels of competition I know. While through his career Poz made more tackles than Schlegel they actually averaged similar numbers in terms of sacks and TFLs. Where Poz was better statistically than Schlegel was in pass coverage. I think Poz can be a good MLB in the 4-3 if he learns to read and call adjustments better, but I agree with you that he doesnt seem a good fit for the 3-4. Thats why I think the Jets real interest may be in Shaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBrick Wall Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 Poz's problem is that he wasnt even the best LB on his team last season -- Dan Conner was better -- regardless of what Jack Ham says and he only got the Butkus instead of Hawk because he to stupid to wear a helmet that fits and he kept getting a boo boo on his nose that bleads and makes him look tough during the game. PSU moved him inside last season and he got owned by college teams for a good portion of the season. Do you really think he can play inside in a 3-4 in the pros if he couldnt play inside in a 4-3 in college. If you ask me Shaw has the potential to be a classic 3-4 OLB. He wouldnt be playing the hybrid DE/OLB spot. That spot belongs to B Thomas. He'd be playing the spot currently occupied by Hobson. Shaw is 236 pounds. He is way undersized to be an OLB in the 3-4. Possibly could be a good ILB prospect if he bulks up just a few more pounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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