3rd Annual JetNation Mock Draft Discussion thread (talk about the draft here)

[RSJ]

Just becuse he wasnt a starter since a true freshemen doesnt mean much and hes got all the tools. Hes a pretty big guy too reminds me alot of Nnamdi asoumugha coming out of cal and people were bashing the raiders on the pick like Mel kiper and all ther other BSPN talking heads.

Ross didn't start until he was a senior.

[quietjets]

If Jets took Ross in real life then it would be a huge mistake because of a lack of man to man coverage experience not age or one year experience.

No way for Jets to pay a first round money to cb that may excel in cover 2 or tampa 2. No way.

I hopeTanny and Mangini review Ross deeply and seriously before making a determination whether or not that Ross can pick up MTM coverage in no time.

[Barton]

Ross is the 1 corner I would really stay away from. I hope we do not draft him but I fear we might.

[rizzock]

Ross didn't start until he was a senior.

I see that but hes still got all the tools and a hard worker i think hes going to be good.

It couls be worse LOL you could be like the raiders were evryone in the media is saying your going to take a QB who looks like an OT plaing QB and hes got a crap work ethic and wants to stay at 260.

[will]

Ross is the 1 corner I would really stay away from. I hope we do not draft him but I fear we might.

Its a legit fear because CB is a serious need but I think the Jets would turn to a lineman if the draft goes as this one has gone. There is still a phenomenal D-line prospect and a few great O-line prospects. But Ross looms larger if the Jets make a move for Andrews.

I cant name names

[Pragmatic Bus]

ross pick is absurd when there are still elite players on the board. you blew it with this one 124

[AVM]

Ronnie lott and Rod Woodson both started out as CBs and they did just fine at safety.

As was said before, they were great corners first, in the NFL. College and NFL are two completely different things. Just because a player is able to excel at the college game doesnt mean they can at the pro game, AT THEIR OWN POSITION....much less switching to a new position. I understand what youre saying, but its far from reality in todays NFL. To say a rookie can come in and play the way Ronnie Lott and Rod Woodson have played is crazy.

[Green Jets & Ham]

I know the Saints signed Eric Johnson, but he's been a physical disaster since over the past few seasons and he wasn't the same IMPACT TE he was a few years ago even when healthy, so we won't pass on the value of Greg Olsen

[Barton]

I know the Saints signed Eric Johnson, but he's been a physical disaster since over the past few seasons and he wasn't the same IMPACT TE he was a few years ago even when healthy, so we won't pass on the value of Greg Olsen

Great pick ham. Olsen would be incredible in that offense. Thats the one team where I'd almost put money on him becoming a great player, ditto Colts.

[Arsis]

Random thought after watching sportscenter: Anyone else thing oakland might switch places with tampa?

[rizzock]

Random thought after watching sportscenter: Anyone else thing oakland might switch places with tampa?

Not unless tampas willing to give up Jeff Garcia,there 1st,2nd,3rd becuse thats what the #1 is worth and the raiders want calvin.

[RSJ]

I see that but hes still got all the tools and a hard worker i think hes going to be good.

It couls be worse LOL you could be like the raiders were evryone in the media is saying your going to take a QB who looks like an OT plaing QB and hes got a crap work ethic and wants to stay at 260.

I hear you.

If I was a raider fan I woulod be rooting for Calvin Johnson to be the pick personally.

[rizzock]

I need to PM my big board to someone i might not be here for pick 33

[rizzock]

Anyone?

[James Hasty]

As was said before, they were great corners first, in the NFL. College and NFL are two completely different things. Just because a player is able to excel at the college game doesnt mean they can at the pro game, AT THEIR OWN POSITION....much less switching to a new position. I understand what youre saying, but its far from reality in todays NFL. To say a rookie can come in and play the way Ronnie Lott and Rod Woodson have played is crazy.

Leon Hall is arguably one of the top ten players in the draft. With hi size and speed, he has at least as much potential at the safety position as anyone in the draft with the exception of Laron Landry IMHO.

[Barton]

Leon Hall is arguably one of the top ten players in the draft. With hi size and speed, he has at least as much potential at the safety position as anyone in the draft with the exception of Laron Landry IMHO.

Has he ever even played safety? How can you say this?

He's a corner, who's had alot of hype and some warranted. But some big WRs have torched his a$$ (Ginn, Jarrett etc etc). He ran very well in all his drills at the combine, surprisingly, so he's a top 20 lock I'd say. But not as a safety.

[124]

Who are these players you'd rather have over Ross? Justin Blalock!? HA! Give me a break. A 52nd 34 OL or DE? Go ahead. The Jets will pick smartly and will go with Revis, Houston or Ross.

[AVM]

Leon Hall is arguably one of the top ten players in the draft. With hi size and speed, he has at least as much potential at the safety position as anyone in the draft with the exception of Laron Landry IMHO.

Again...he's never played safety, and you want him to play safety in a league which is on a much higher talent level than any college atmosphere.

[JetCane]

New England selects Brandon Merriweather, S Miami.

that's who i would have picked in that spot, too.

[James Hasty]

Has he ever even played safety? How can you say this?

He's a corner, who's had alot of hype and some warranted. But some big WRs have torched his a$$ (Ginn, Jarrett etc etc). He ran very well in all his drills at the combine, surprisingly, so he's a top 20 lock I'd say. But not as a safety.

Usually people posting a profile for their selection don't say this but read the negatives very carefully in the article below:

Prospect Profiles

Leon Hall

Height: 5-11

Weight: 193

Position: Cornerback

College: Michigan

Copyright NFLDraftScout.com, distributed by The Sports Xchange

OVERVIEW

Regarded as one of the premier coverage cornerbacks in the collegiate ranks, Hall holds the school career record with 43 pass deflections, breaking up at least one pass in 26 of his final 42 games. The 2006 finalist for the Jim Thorpe Award (top defensive back) and Bronko Nagurski Award (top defensive player) played in 50 career games and made 37 starts in the Wolverines' secondary.

Hall attended Vista High School, playing football for head coach Chris Hauser, who helped raise Leon, along with Hall's uncle, after the future Wolverine's mother passed away during his prep days. He was a San Diego Tribune Scholar-Athlete Award winner while competing at cornerback, wide receiver and quarterback.

He was named All-American by PrepStar and SuperPrep, and rated as the nation's 14th-best cornerback by Tom Lemming. Rivals.com tabbed Hall the 10th-best cornerback in the prep ranks and graded him a four-star prospect. He was named to the roster of the 2003 U.S. Army All-American Bowl.

Hall also earned all-county and all-conference first-team honors at wide receiver and cornerback as a senior, adding all-conference second-team accolades his junior season. He collected 103 tackles (77 solos) and nine interceptions during his career, including 51 tackles and three interceptions as a senior.

In his final season, he also had 11 pass deflections, blocked three kicks and made one fumble recovery. On offense, Hall made 24 catches for 520 yards and three touchdowns his senior year. He also posted 26 tackles and four interceptions as a junior. He added three letters in track, competing in the 100 and 200 meters and participated in the high jump. He had career bests of 10.9 in the 100 meters and 22.2 in the 200 meters and was a member of the school's 4x100 and 4x400 relay teams.

Hall enrolled at Michigan in 2003, earning Freshman All-American and All-Big Ten Conference honors. He played in 13 games, sharing left cornerback duties with Jeremy Lesueur. He started three contests, producing 26 tackles (21 solos) with six pass deflections and three interceptions.

As a sophomore, Hall started nine of the team's final 10 games at right cornerback. He came up with 48 tackles (39 solos) and two fumble recoveries. He intercepted a pair of passes and batted away 10 others, earning All-Big Ten honorable mention. He also had six punt returns for 104 yards (17.3 average) and a touchdown.

The Big Ten second-team selection registered 61 tackles (46 solos) while starting all 12 games at left cornerback in 2005. He ranked fourth on the team with 61 tackles (46 solos), including two sacks and three stops for losses. He set a school record with an 83-yard return for a touchdown of a fumble recovery and deflected four passes while coming up with four interceptions. He also averaged 10.2 yards on four punt returns.

The consensus All-American selection posted 45 tackles (35 solos) with a sack and a fumble recovery in 2006. He led the team with 18 pass deflections and intercepted three other passes. He also recovered a fumble and returned a punt 11 yards.

In 50 games at Michigan, Hall started 37 times. He recorded 180 tackles (141 solos) with three sacks for minus-17 yards and seven stops for losses of 22 yards. He recovered five fumbles for 82 yards in returns, including one touchdown and had one forced fumble. He deflected 43 passes and intercepted 12 others for 23 yards in returns (1.9 avg.), adding 174 yards and a touchdown on 15 punt returns (11.6 avg.).

ANALYSIS

Positives: Has a solid frame with good chest thickness, broad shoulders, defined upper body with muscular arms, tight hips and waist, well-developed thighs and calves with room on his frame to carry at least another 10 pounds of bulk … Hard worker who plays until the whistle … Smart, instinctive defender with very good field vision and quick reactions, especially attacking the ball in flight (43 pass deflections, 12 interceptions in 50 games) … Has natural hands and very good ball skills, timing his leaps to get to the ball at its high point … Shows good flexibility coming out of his breaks and has the ability to slip a block and make the tackle in the backfield … Well-respected team leader who plays with aggression and never takes a play off … Has good plant-and-drive agility, attacking the ball at full speed and showing crispness when having to redirect … Explosive hitter who keeps his pads low and shows good arm extension to wrap and secure … Never gets lost in coverage and is quick to locate the ball in a crowd … Takes good angles to close on the play … Has the speed to stay tight on the receiver throughout the route and is very good at anticipating the route's progression … Very fluid turning on the ball and has the vision to track the ball in flight … Very fluid and quick in his backpedal, never taking false steps in transition … Will run stride for stride with the receiver, thanks to his hip snap … Shows the good hip sink, feet and balance in his pedal, along with the loose hips to turn and run without having to throttle down … Very efficient at reading the patterns as they develop and is quick to react to plays in front of him … Rare to see him caught out of position, as he shows no hesitation breaking on the ball … Has the range to make cross-field tackles and has the catch-up speed to recover when beaten … Excels at competing for jump balls, doing a nice job of adjusting his body to get to the pass at its high point … Has a high ceiling level in his leaps (27-inch vertical) … Has the natural hands to extend and catch away from his frame and also is very effective at fielding the ball as a punt returner … Has the long arms and reach to make fingertip catches seem routine … Recognizes the run quickly and does a good job of working down hill to get off blocks, slip through the crowd, avoid linemen and get into position to shut down the cutback lanes … Sees the play develop quickly, doing a nice job of lowering his head to generate more force behind his hits … Steady wrap-up tackler who has a good concept for taking proper angles when closing … Reliable punt returner who is a deceptive runner with the second gear needed to elude … Excels at anticipating the quarterback's moves and it is rare to see him bite on play action or pump fakes … Is an effective tackler working in space and has the long arms to reach around the opponent in attempts to deflect or strip the receiver of the ball.

Negatives: Has good timed speed, but lacks explosion coming out of his breaks and needs to mirror the receiver closer rather than allow a big cushion in order to prevent the receiver from getting behind him on deep routes … ard tackler, but must use his hands better in attempts to jam and reroute at the line of scrimmage … Sometimes relies too much on his recovery skills and this lets receivers to make the underneath catches … Might be a better fit for free safety due to his range and preference for playing the ball rather than operating in man coverage … Physical hitter, but will sometimes take a side and swing his arms wildly, resulting in missed tackles.

Compares To: Ronde Barber, Tampa Bay Buccaneers … Hall is a sound field technician who might not be the biggest or fastest defender on the field, but like Barber, he is good at getting into position to make the play … He is a solid zone coverage defender, but with his field vision and natural hands (along with a lack of blazing speed) he could be a better fit at free safety down the road.

[Green Jets & Ham]

Sorry about the amount of time I took to make my first pick, I completely forgot the start date, but I'll make the rest of my picks in a more timely fashion

[faba]

Sorry about the amount of time I took to make my first pick, I completely forgot the start date, but I'll make the rest of my picks in a more timely fashion

No problem Ham- this is a challenge for everyone because of all the different schedules and locations.

[RSJ]

Hasty-

The funny thing about safety is you don't really know how good a guy is until he plays there. Mangini actually spoke about this refering to Rodney Harrison last year. Mangini was saying how he couldn't understand how a guy as good as Harrison lasted until the 5th round. It's because it is a hard position to scout. Speed at safety only helps get you to the guy that is trying to block you faster is also what Mangini said. What can a player do then against the different types that are going to try to block him? Corner is not a natural transition to safety because a couple of HOF corners have done it in the past after playing 6-8 years in the league.

[Barton]

Who are these players you'd rather have over Ross? Justin Blalock!? HA! Give me a break. A 52nd 34 OL or DE? Go ahead. The Jets will pick smartly and will go with Revis, Houston or Ross.

Pothead CB teammate Tarrell Brown is better than Aaron Ross, who btw is already 25. Not good.

Also, if the board fell that way I would have gone BAP: Greg Olsen, TE Miami

JMO

[AVM]

Hasty-

The funny thing about safety is you don't really know how good a guy is until he plays there. Mangini actually spoke about this refering to Rodney Harrison last year. Mangini was saying how he couldn't understand how a guy as good as Harrison lasted until the 5th round. It's because it is a hard position to scout. Speed at safety only helps get you to the guy that is trying to block you faster is also what Mangini said. What can a player do then against the different types that are going to try to block him? Corner is not a natural transition to safety because a couple of HOF corners have done it in the past after playing 6-8 years in the league.

Precisely

[JetCane]

Bitonti in da house!'

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[rizzock]

is it me or is taking forever to get to the second round? we should have someone just make the pick.

[JetCane]

is it me or is taking forever to get to the second round? we should have someone just make the pick.

Yes, this is taking as long as it does for Kevan Barlow to hit the hole.

[rizzock]

Yes, this is taking as long as it does for Kevan Barlow to hit the hole.

LOL, is there any way we can fix this?

[faba]

LOL, is there any way we can fix this?

As a participant and organizer of past mock draft-this is what to expect-you have to have patience- people have different schedules and opportunities to get on line and in different time zones- so you have to bear with it.

[rizzock]

As a participant and organizer of past mock draft-this is what to expect-you have to have patience- people have different schedules and opportunities to get on line and in different time zones- so you have to bear with it.

I understand but ive been wanting to pick for sometime now LOL

for what its worth ill take another team if needed to speed things up

[JetCane]

As a participant and organizer of past mock draft-this is what to expect-you have to have patience- people have different schedules and opportunities to get on line and in different time zones- so you have to bear with it.

I'm patient; just commenting on the process.

Rizz, I guess I'm right after you- when do you think you'll be otc?

[#27TheDominator]

I think it would have been easier if we just gave everybody a prescribed hour or half hour to make their pick. Meaning pick one at noon, pick 2 at one, pick 3 at 2pm etc. Then you know already what time you are picking and if you can't check the computer it's easy to know how many picks ahead of you there are and we should have prescribed guys to pm, I'll stick with Joe 124 from now on, but I thought Smizzy was the one to hit up. Now if guys pick real fast my pick might have come up the first day, but as it was it came at about 4 am (here) the 2nd day, the other way I'd just know my pick is at 5 am and I'd get up and make it. You lose that whole running to the podium feeling though.

[rizzock]

I'm patient; just commenting on the process.

Rizz, I guess I'm right after you- when do you think you'll be otc?

I dont think ill be on for a while bro. we should give the ravens staley since they lose pashios and ogden might be done.

[quietjets]

I dont think ill be on for a while bro. we should give the ravens staley since they lose pashios and ogden might be done.

Patriots took him.