Give me 5 reasons why Clemens should be the starter (Without saying Chads name)

[DefenseWinsChampionships]

Really lets get to the point about this kid. Give me 5 reasons why we all seem to feel that he is the man for this Jets team...

I just feel we have a GREAT team next season on the O side of the ball with T.Jones and L.Washington in the open field, Coles making the plays that makes him Chad's #1 man, Cotch becoming a star over night... Maybe Herm keeping him in the dog house gave Cotch all the motivation in the world to be a top notch wr in the NFL for years to come. Then we have a LT in Ferguson who is now going to be a 2nd year starter for Chad and the same goes for Mangold who to me could have been the rookie of the year in terms of helping a team win week by week on a play by play basis. Then we throw in the young players we may bring in through the draft plus players we already have like Brad Smith who is a big ? mark. But in my eyes if Mangini and the coaching can use this kid in the RIGHT way in the RIGHT situation I honestly believe he can be a X-Factor and make the D's play with more caution.

Without saying Chad cant throw the ball 10 yards, without saying that Chad cant win a big game, without saying anything about Pennington... Can anyone or everyone explain why we all want and think Clemens can do the job with this team and this type of play calling already?

[Boozer76]

1. The front office seems to feel he is good enough to warrant a 2nd round pick. Given their success in last year's draft, I'm willing to take their word for it.

2. Prior to breaking his ankle, he was discussed as being amongst the elite QB's and a heisman candidate.

3. He has a fairly strong arm, more than adequate for the NFL. He also played in a pro style offense and dispayed alot of poise and leadership.

4. While he may not be fleet footed, he has the ability to avoid the rush and make plays happen.

5. Contrary to what people will say about oregon QB's, using baseless comaprisons li9ke Akili Smith and Harrington, Clemens did not play in a Jeff tedford system which tended to focus on college exploits and made average QB's look stellar. Clemens also has a history of being a very good QB, not just a one hit wonder. He was well on his way to a very accomplished college career prior to breaking his anlke.

[Jetfan13]

1. The front office seems to feel he is good enough to warrant a 2nd round pick. Given their success in last year's draft, I'm willing to take their word for it.

2. Prior to breaking his ankle, he was discussed as being amongst the elite QB's and a heisman candidate.

3. He has a fairly strong arm, more than adequate for the NFL. He also played in a pro style offense and dispayed alot of poise and leadership.

4. While he may not be fleet footed, he has the ability to avoid the rush and make plays happen.

5. Contrary to what people will say about oregon QB's, using baseless comaprisons li9ke Akili Smith and Harrington, Clemens did not play in a Jeff tedford system which tended to focus on college exploits and made average QB's look stellar. Clemens also has a history of being a very good QB, not just a one hit wonder. He was well on his way to a very accomplished college career prior to breaking his anlke.

COUNTER-POINT:Why Clemens shouldn't be the starter

1) A 2nd round pick who has done absolutely nothing or he would already be in

2) discussed by who, Mel Kiper & Mike Mayock?

3) he has a fairly strong arm

4) not quick footed

5) broken ankle

I'd stay with Chad

[Maxman]

1. The front office seems to feel he is good enough to warrant a 2nd round pick. Given their success in last year's draft, I'm willing to take their word for it.

Hey Boozer Anthony Schlegel is doing a charity event at Last Licks on Long Island. I will forward you the info. Afterwards a bunch of us are going wild boar hunting if you are interested.

[Ghost]

EXPERIENCEEEE

[Iceman88]

COUNTER-POINT:Why Clemens shouldn't be the starter

1) A 2nd round pick who has done absolutely nothing or he would already be in

2) discussed by who, Mel Kiper & Mike Mayock?

3) he has a fairly strong arm

4) not quick footed

5) broken ankle

I'd stay with Chad

Counter Points:

1) Are you seriously saying that? The argument makes no sense, most rookies don't play their first year. Carson Palmer sat out his first season even though he was the first overall pick, did that mean he shouldn't have played?

2) Most college analysts considered him a Heismen candidate earlier in the year his senior season until he broke his ankle in the third game.

3) Having a strong arm would be a good thing so I don't understand your argument.

4) He can avoid the rush in the pocket just as well as any Quarterback on the roster

5) Just saying broken ankle isn't a good argument, it was one injury he's had so far which most players will have and isn't a huge injury for his position.

[ECURB]

1. The front office seems to feel he is good enough to warrant a 2nd round pick. Given their success in last year's draft, I'm willing to take their word for it.

Brett Farve is the one and only 2nd round QB to ever win a superbowl...

[drago]

Brett Farve is the one and only 2nd round QB to ever win a superbowl...

FAVRE!

[Boozer76]

Hey Boozer Anthony Schlegel is doing a charity event at Last Licks on Long Island. I will forward you the info. Afterwards a bunch of us are going wild boar hunting if you are interested.

And given that 7 out of 10 draft picks made significant contributions last year, you want to use one who was behind 2 experienced vets on the depth chart and didn't get any playing time? Geez Max, I thought you were smart. You better stop making out with Smizzy, it seems to dumb you down a bit lol.

[ECURB]

And given that 7 out of 10 draft picks made significant contributions last year, you want to use one who was behind 2 experienced vets on the depth chart and didn't get any playing time? Geez Max,

You would say that....

GO play your skin flute with Max and Smizzy lol

[124]

1. Strong arm

2. Takes chances

3. Young and this team is young and rebuilding still, despite the fact of last years success

4. Has a chance to win a title without needing a dominating defense

5. Has a moxie about him, a winners attitude

[Boozer76]

COUNTER-POINT:Why Clemens shouldn't be the starter

1) A 2nd round pick who has done absolutely nothing or he would already be in

2) discussed by who, Mel Kiper & Mike Mayock?

3) he has a fairly strong arm

4) not quick footed

5) broken ankle

I'd stay with Chad

1. Carson palmer did just as much his rookie year. he's obviously a bust, as is Brady, Favre, and just about every other successful QB in the NFL.

2. No dimwit, those guys are draft analysts. He had been injured by then.

3. Yes he does.

4. He's more quick footed than alot of guys. He's not a running threat, but has enough quickness to avoid a rush and make plays happen, where other leadfooted QB's would be sacked.

5. So what? No ligament damage, no cartilage. It's not like it's a knee injury, he broke a bone. It healed and is a non issue.

Seeing as the detractors can bring Chad's name in, I don't see how it's fair we can't. The bottom line is Chad has been pedestrian at best when you take away 2002. Staying with average for fear of getting worse is like keeping Herm Edwards because you're afraid you'll end up with Dave Wannstedt.

[Sperm Edwards]

Fine to say do it without Chad's name, but he is a major reason why. If he was a "can do it all" QB with a history of standing up to a 16-game schedule, no one would want to see Clemens.

Why should Denver have gone with Cutler instead of sticking with Plummer?

Why did Dallas go with Romo instead of sticking with Bledsoe?

Why did Pittsburgh draft & go with Roethlisburger instead of sticking with Maddox?

Why did Tennessee turn over the reigns to McNair instead of sticking with Chandler? And then Vince Young instead of re-working McNair's contract?

Why would NE draft (and use) Maroney when they had Corey Dillon?

Why would Philly go with Westbrook when they already had Staley?

Why would the Jets let Mawae go in favor of Teague (before they realized Mangold was still there at #29 last year)?

There are a lot more than I listed above; these are off the top of my head.

Teams should always strive to improve their chances of reaching a superbowl. If you don't feel the incumbent is that guy, you try another route. Sometimes it works (Roethlisburger, McNair, etc). Sometimes it doesn't & you end up with Dave Brown instead of Phil Simms.

Generally speaking, I prefer the best QB. But if the only thing separating the #1 guy and the #2 guy is experience, well then get his ass in there. In 2003, Cincy went with Kitna for the whole season & won 8 games with one of the league's worst defenses. To open the 2004 season, Kitna was probably still a better QB. Under Chadophile logic, Lewis must have been a fool to hand over the reigns to Palmer when he wasn't their best immediate option.

Now this is a bit of an extreme b/c Clemens wasn't nearly the same prospect that Palmer was coming out of college. But it's not like Clemens is some UDFA that no one else wanted & we grudgingly added to our practice squad.

If Chad was winning games for us with his arm instead of not losing them by minimizing mistakes (which he used to do better), I might feel differently.

But if we end up going with Chad for the season, I will certainly accept that Mangini thinks he is still so much better than Clemens on the field. Even the upside of Clemens - with smarts & a strong arm - if he's still on the bench I'm sure there's good reason since this regime burned a 2nd-round pick on him.

Personally, I think Clemens will get his chance this season when Chad gets injured again.

[L.I.MikeBleedsGreen]

1.Our Qb has had 2 torn Rotater cuffs

2.Stronger Arm

3.Faster on his feet

4.Can make all the throws a nfl Qb needs to make

5.Ran an NFL System in college

P.s this was a Simple question, ask some hard ones next time DWC will ya!!! LOL

[Sperm Edwards]

Brett Farve is the one and only 2nd round QB to ever win a superbowl...

This is silly. You must have a superstition about round two.

So before round two, you can get a superbowl QB. After round two you can get a superbowl QB. But IN round two there's no hope unless you stumble upon Brett Favre?

[ECURB]

Generally speaking, I prefer the best QB. But if the only thing separating the #1 guy and the #2 guy is experience, well then get his ass in there. In 2003, Cincy went with Kitna for the whole season & won 8 games with one of the league's worst defenses. To open the 2004 season, Kitna was probably still a better QB. Under Chadophile logic, Lewis must have been a fool to hand over the reigns to Palmer when he wasn't their best immediate option.

Where are they now? How many playoff games have they won since making the move, and how many years have they made the playoffs since...

[Sperm Edwards]

Where are they now? How many playoff games have they won since making the move, and how many years have they made the playoffs since...

And you feel that the part of that team that's lacking is/was offense?

What has Chad Pennington ever won us? A divisional title with a 9-7 record?

You sound like you'd be glad letting Marty Schottenheimer be the HC here for the next 20 years.

[DefenseWinsChampionships]

And you feel that the part of that team that's lacking is/was offense?

What has Chad Pennington ever won us? A divisional title with a 9-7 record?

You sound like you'd be glad letting Marty Schottenheimer be the HC here for the next 20 years.

Chad has won us GAMES that led us to the playoffs. Look at the year when we lost Chad... We went 4-12... Enough said

[124]

Chad has won us GAMES that led us to the playoffs. Look at the year when we lost Chad... We went 4-12... Enough said

Enough said? Have you looked at the other injuries that season?

We also lost Jay Fiedler less than a quarter later. We lost Wayne Chrebet midway through the season, lost numerous defensive players and our offensive line was young and inexpeirenced, especially after we lost Mawae in Buffalo. Are you kidding? Without Chad and Fiedler running the show without the other injuries, that Jets team still would've been playoff contenders with Fiedler in there, and minus all the other injuries. Pennington? With those injuries he would've had us at best 8-8.

[Jetfan13]

Counter Points:

1) Are you seriously saying that? The argument makes no sense, most rookies don't play their first year. Carson Palmer sat out his first season even though he was the first overall pick, did that mean he shouldn't have played?

2) Most college analysts considered him a Heismen candidate earlier in the year his senior season until he broke his ankle in the third game.

3) Having a strong arm would be a good thing so I don't understand your argument.

4) He can avoid the rush in the pocket just as well as any Quarterback on the roster

5) Just saying broken ankle isn't a good argument, it was one injury he's had so far which most players will have and isn't a huge injury for his position.

my whole arguement hinges on the fact that you don't give the starting job to someone just because...if he is better then Chad then he would have started last year. If he has a better camp, he will start this year...PERIOD

[DefenseWinsChampionships]

Enough said? Have you looked at the other injuries that season?

We also lost Jay Fiedler less than a quarter later. We lost Wayne Chrebet midway through the season, lost numerous defensive players and our offensive line was young and inexpeirenced, especially after we lost Mawae in Buffalo. Are you kidding? Without Chad and Fiedler running the show without the other injuries, that Jets team still would've been playoff contenders with Fiedler in there, and minus all the other injuries. Pennington? With those injuries he would've had us at best 8-8.

Im a fan of the Jets... Not just a fan of Chad...

I know we played 5 QB's... Chad, Fiedler who went down in the same game, Vinny, Brooks and even Kliffs Kingsbury... No team could have done shiit.

We lost Barton that year, we had 4 out of 5-Olineman playing a differnet position than the year before.

But Chad gives the Jets the best chance to win games.

Just ask J.Cotchery

[Barton]

Im a fan of the Jets... Not just a fan of Chad...

I know we played 5 QB's... Chad, Fiedler who went down in the same game, Vinny, Brooks and even Kliffs Kingsbury... No team could have done shiit.

We lost Barton that year, we had 4 out of 5-Olineman playing a differnet position than the year before.

But Chad gives the Jets the best chance to win games.

Just ask J.Cotchery

Over the likes of Quincy Carter, Vinny Testaverde and Brooks Bollinger then yes Chad Pennington gives us the best chance to win games........

Ya know what would give us a better chance to win a superbowl? A better Quarterback with a real arm.

Clemens should start because we are not going to make the playoffs in 2007 either way, even if Chad starts. Book it.

There's no sense in trotting out a 31 yr old has been for a 7-9 season when we have the young QB in his 2nd year on the bench who has the skills and talent to be a great QB. His high selection in the draft guarantees this.

The faster we put in Clemens, the faster we'll know if he is the real deal or not.

You are delaying the inevitable by starting Chad again, Clemens will get his short, that is a lock. There's 0% chance he never starts (unless he gets severely hurt while sitting on the bench).

Clemens will take over some time in 2007.

[ECURB]

Over the likes of Quincy Carter, Vinny Testaverde and Brooks Bollinger then yes Chad Pennington gives us the best chance to win games........

Ya know what would give us a better chance to win a superbowl? A better Quarterback with a real arm.

Clemens should start because we are not going to make the playoffs in 2007 either way, even if Chad starts. Book it.

There's no sense in trotting out a 31 yr old has been for a 7-9 season when we have the young QB in his 2nd year on the bench who has the skills and talent to be a great QB. His high selection in the draft guarantees this.

The faster we put in Clemens, the faster we'll know if he is the real deal or not.

You are delaying the inevitable by starting Chad again, Clemens will get his short, that is a lock. There's 0% chance he never starts (unless he gets severely hurt while sitting on the bench).

Clemens will take over some time in 2007.

Did you think the JETS would make the playoffs in 06'?

Did they?

You dont know what will happen so dont act like a know it all, when its not possible to rule the JETS out at this time....

[Jetfan13]

Over the likes of Quincy Carter, Vinny Testaverde and Brooks Bollinger then yes Chad Pennington gives us the best chance to win games........

Ya know what would give us a better chance to win a superbowl? A better Quarterback with a real arm.

Clemens should start because we are not going to make the playoffs in 2007 either way, even if Chad starts. Book it.

There's no sense in trotting out a 31 yr old has been for a 7-9 season when we have the young QB in his 2nd year on the bench who has the skills and talent to be a great QB. His high selection in the draft guarantees this.

The faster we put in Clemens, the faster we'll know if he is the real deal or not.

You are delaying the inevitable by starting Chad again, Clemens will get his short, that is a lock. There's 0% chance he never starts (unless he gets severely hurt while sitting on the bench).

Clemens will take over some time in 2007.

BOOK IT????...what a dumb statement that is...

and in case you have forgotten Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith & Joey harrington, all who have been mentioned in this thread, BEING A HIGH PICK GUARANTEES NOTHING!!!

[Barton]

Did you think the JETS would make the playoffs in 06'?

Did they?

You dont know what will happen so dont act like a know it all, when its not possible to rule the JETS out at this time....

Everything broke right for the Jets, it will not happen again. The Jets were completely healthy, they had great coaching, and an easy schedule.

Would you like to make a bet on this ecurb?

[Barton]

BOOK IT????...what a dumb statement that is...

and in case you have forgotten Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith & Joey harrington, all who have been mentioned in this thread, BEING A HIGH PICK GUARANTEES NOTHING!!!

It guarantees that HE WILL GET A CHANCE TO START. Thats all I said, genius. Can you read?

[DefenseWinsChampionships]

Enough said? Have you looked at the other injuries that season?

We also lost Jay Fiedler less than a quarter later. We lost Wayne Chrebet midway through the season, lost numerous defensive players and our offensive line was young and inexpeirenced, especially after we lost Mawae in Buffalo. Are you kidding? Without Chad and Fiedler running the show without the other injuries, that Jets team still would've been playoff contenders with Fiedler in there, and minus all the other injuries. Pennington? With those injuries he would've had us at best 8-8.

Clemens should start because we are not going to make the playoffs in 2007 either way, even if Chad starts. Book it.

There's no sense in trotting out a 31 yr old has been for a 7-9 season when we have the young QB in his 2nd year on the bench who has the skills and talent to be a great QB. His high selection in the draft guarantees this.

After that... I wont ever pay attention to anything else u ever say on this site man... LMAO...

We made the playoffs last year starting RB's were Blaylock and Barlow.

We did not know what we had in Cotch

We had a rookie hc in E.Mangini

We had a rookie OC in Martys boy

We had 2 rookies on the O-Line with Mangold and Ferguson

And last year was Chads first year in that system

And you say we cant make the playoffs?

Next year we already know what we have in Coles anc Cotch

The coaching will be better with age

Chad will know the system alot more

Mangold and Ferguson will improve by miles...

The D will get better...

We are going to be a better team... What you just said makes me LOL man.

[ECURB]

Everything broke right for the Jets, it will not happen again. The Jets were completely healthy, they had great coaching, and an easy schedule.

Would you like to make a bet on this ecurb?

Everything broke right????? Are you kidding???

The first NE game... great day for our WRs and Chad over 300 yards and some great TDs... our defense stunk it up in the 4th and let brady drain the clock giving Chad no chance to bring the team down the field to win it...

The Browns game... we got scrwed out of OT

The Colts game... we had the lead in the 4th quarter and Peyton ripped our D into shreads...

That could have been a 13-3 team... they didnt get lucky...

[DefenseWinsChampionships]

Everything broke right????? Are you kidding???

The first NE game... great day for our WRs and Chad over 300 yards and some great TDs... our defense stunk it up in the 4th and let brady drain the clock giving Chad no chance to bring the team down the field to win it...

The Browns game... we got scrwed out of OT

The Colts game... we had the lead in the 4th quarter and Peyton ripped our D into shreads...

That could have been a 13-3 team... they didnt get lucky...

Thank you.... Great post...

[Jetfan13]

It guarantees that HE WILL GET A CHANCE TO START. Thats all I said, genius. Can you read?

There's no sense in trotting out a 31 yr old has been for a 7-9 season when we have the young QB in his 2nd year on the bench who has the skills and talent to be a great QB. His high selection in the draft guarantees this

yep I can read, can you comprehend what you type?

looks like you are saying it is guaranteed that he has the skill and talent to be a great QB because of where he was picked...

ok genius???

[ECURB]

There's no sense in trotting out a 31 yr old has been for a 7-9 season when we have the young QB in his 2nd year on the bench who has the skills and talent to be a great QB. His high selection in the draft guarantees this.

Sorry Barton but you did claim that he has the Skills to be great based purely on his draft position.... which isnt true... I dont know if you just spit it out wrong or what... but draft position is all based on hype... and some skill in drills that have nothing to do with real NFL football.

[Barton]

Our rookie HC and new OC were advantages in 2006, not disadvantages. The fact that nobody had a book on these guys was a huge part of our success in 2006. There's no guarantees on anything you have said.....

Chad will know the playbook better in 2006, but so will the opposing defenses. Push.

Your points about Cotch and Coles make no sense.

We WILL be a better team, only it will not show in our record.

We had a JV schedule last year, this year we have a tough one.

Would you like to make a bet that the Jets do not make the playoffs in 2007? You wont be "LOLing" after you lose money will you?

[SoFlaJets]

Hey Boozer Anthony Schlegel is doing a charity event at Last Licks on Long Island. I will forward you the info. Afterwards a bunch of us are going wild boar hunting if you are interested.

POTW nom

[Barton]

Sorry Barton but you did claim that he has the Skills to be great based purely on his draft position.... which isnt true... I dont know if you just spit it out wrong or what... but draft position is all based on hype... and some skill in drills that have nothing to do with real NFL football.

His high selection in the draft guarantees that he will start eventually.

I think you knew thats what I meant. If not, w/e. Thats not the point of this argument is it? No, the point is, we are DELAYING THE INEVITABLE by starting Chad in favor of Clemens.

Clemens will get his shot. The sooner the better now that he's not a rookie anymore.

[PeterNorth09]

Kellen Clemens will get a chance to start next year. Bradway, Tanenbaum it doesn't matter, this organization is in love with midget quarterbacks who can only manage the game and never win it. Pat Ramsey, Jay Fiedler, Brooks Boolinger, Quincy Carter and now Kellen Clemens.

I would have liked us to sign Carr, with better protection and weapons he could do some real damage. He probably would have had a similar year to what Vinny had in 1998.