TaborJet Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Madmike, come back from the ledge... http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/jets/2007/04/draft_preview_offensive_line.html The Jets Stream Draft Preview: Offensive Line Day Five of our draft preview brings us to the offensive line. Unit: Offensive Line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 thanks for that link TJ-I put it in my favorite places Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 You never can tell but my gut feeling is the Jets go defense with the first pick-all based on what is happenning before they draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbon Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 I like the idea of the Jets picking Blaylock at 25. But, if they could trade down, pick up a third and still get him at 31 all the better. I straight up hate Cimini. I think getting the best available Olineman late in the first is almost never a disasterous move. You get a guy whose probably gonna play and not bust and considering that the Jets really need a new guard this year and will need another soon, this looks like a good spot to pick one up. I think Blaylock could step in and start which would give the Jets a foundation of 3 young quality olinemen into the future. Thats where winning franchises are built. They make good QBs look great and above average RBs look like super stars. So, unless the Jets trade up to get a Dlineman in the first I think another Olineman late in the first would be a good pick -- things certainly worked out well with Mangold. I think that the teams needs at CB could be addressed in the 2nd round where the Jets could still get a strong player without as much pressure to play him right away. Pick a guy with speed and good ball skills and let him develop while Dyson, Barrett, Poteat, and Miller handle the job this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 I can see the Jets going CB, DE, LB, WR, TE, or RT all before Guard. I could be wrong though. I actually agree with the trade down scenerio. This is one of those years where there are 2 or 3 guys you need and have rated in that certain group of late first round prospects. After that I think you have a bunch of guys graded as second rounders. I could definitly see the Jets trade down and grab an extra 3rd rounder. They only have 6 picks in this draft and we know how much they like to stockpile picks for this year and the following year. Maybe they could even trade down and grab a 2nd rounder next year. Really unlikely they pick a guard in the first, especially the year after picking a C and LT in the first and giving one #4 pick money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Cimin is right on this one, no Olineman will be taken at 25 for the Jets - unless its Levi Brown. If we can trade down for Blalock, pick up another 2nd or 3rd rd choice, that would be nice, but at 25 he is a reach. Mentioning a trade up for Aaron Ross is hilarious. I wouldnt even touch him if he was there at 25, let alone trading up for him. I would however, give up our 3rd rd choice to secure Darrelle Revis. He's a stud, reminds me of Ty Law. If Olsen is the BAP at 25, I think he's our guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gang_green03 Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Cimin is right on this one, no Olineman will be taken at 25 for the Jets - unless its Levi Brown. If we can trade down for Blalock, pick up another 2nd or 3rd rd choice, that would be nice, but at 25 he is a reach. Mentioning a trade up for Aaron Ross is hilarious. I wouldnt even touch him if he was there at 25, let alone trading up for him. I would however, give up our 3rd rd choice to secure Darrelle Revis. He's a stud, reminds me of Ty Law. If Olsen is the BAP at 25, I think he's our guy. Hate to say it but for the most part I agree. If they feel Olsen's BPA at 25 they'll take him. Also, you're right trading up for Ross is a joke but for Revis that's another story and I'd consider it, maybe even for Houston as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Hate to say it but for the most part I agree. If they feel Olsen's BPA at 25 they'll take him. Also, you're right trading up for Ross is a joke but for Revis that's another story and I'd consider it, maybe even for Houston as well. The Olsen pick will probably get booed at the draft, of course. Not to mention 75% of Jets fans on the net will be on suicide watch. I'll be here laughing my a## off at all of them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 I can see the Jets going CB, DE, LB, WR, TE, or RT all before Guard. I could be wrong though. I actually agree with the trade down scenerio. This is one of those years where there are 2 or 3 guys you need and have rated in that certain group of late first round prospects. After that I think you have a bunch of guys graded as second rounders. I could definitly see the Jets trade down and grab an extra 3rd rounder. They only have 6 picks in this draft and we know how much they like to stockpile picks for this year and the following year. Maybe they could even trade down and grab a 2nd rounder next year. Really unlikely they pick a guard in the first, especially the year after picking a C and LT in the first and giving one #4 pick money. I've read this a couple of times now. "really unlikely they pick a guard in the first, especially the year after picking a C and LT in the first..." You make it sound like they were bad picks. The cornerstone of this franchise has just happened because of last years 1st round. I think there is a very real possiblity that the jets draft another o-linemen in the first. If they don't go in the first they won't get one of the big 2 guards (since we dropped the washington pick for TJ). I don't know if the Bears would be willing to trade again, but to drop down to there spot at 31 could be a great move. You know Blalock or Sears will be there. Trading down is the best bet for us, and i do think the O-Line will be addressed again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 The Olsen pick will probably get booed at the draft, of course. Not to mention 75% of Jets fans on the net will be on suicide watch. I'll be here laughing my a## off at all of them! I would burn all jet related apparel in this state. Its not much, but you might be able to see the smoke from where you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 I would burn all jet related apparel in this state. Its not much, but you might be able to see the smoke from where you are. Why? Can you explain this to me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 I've read this a couple of times now. "really unlikely they pick a guard in the first, especially the year after picking a C and LT in the first..." You make it sound like they were bad picks. The cornerstone of this franchise has just happened because of last years 1st round. I think there is a very real possiblity that the jets draft another o-linemen in the first. If they don't go in the first they won't get one of the big 2 guards (since we dropped the washington pick for TJ). I don't know if the Bears would be willing to trade again, but to drop down to there spot at 31 could be a great move. You know Blalock or Sears will be there. Trading down is the best bet for us, and i do think the O-Line will be addressed again. Guard is not an important position. It is a luxery pick. And I agree that Mangold and D'Brick were great picks and that is all the more reason to stay way from OL in the first. Your coaches are set at two out of 5 positions and can now spend time developing the weakness of a 2nd or 3rd rounder. The reason the Jets can not spend another first on the OL, especially at guard has to do with the salary cap. Guard is a position that can be had in the second round (see Randy Thomas). Is it possible they go guard in the first? Yes - but I doubt it. Everyone is labeling Blalock as a Mangini guy and can't miss prospect - but that is just not true. Blalock is not a guy you can ask to pull like the Pats line is so good at. I have to believe the Jets are after building a Pats style athletic OL based on the two first round picks last year. Like I said when I line up positions the Jets will want guard comes in about 8th place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Why? Can you explain this to me? Yeah really give me a break. Olsen would be a great pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Why? Can you explain this to me? He's a thug, i have read a few quotes from him, and he comes across as a total thug. He underachieved at a school that is notorious for amazing football talent. I heard your argument that he was the only threat on that entire team, and had sh!t at QB. Somehow guys like Calvin Johnson (i know you aren't comparing these two, they are worlds apart) still produced great numbers. Even a bum like Seneca Wallace can preform all by his lonesome. As TE goes, if he was really that good & fast they could have split him out wide and forced corners to cover him, or kept him inside and he should be able to burn up a LBer. Yet it never happened, his stats against good competition do not back him as being anything but a good sprinter. If memory serves, sprinting is not all that goes into being a quality TE in the NFL, its blocking, its being shifty at the goal line, with great hands. To me, he brings none of this to the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeniorFlaJet Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Hate to say it but for the most part I agree. If they feel Olsen's BPA at 25 they'll take him. Also, you're right trading up for Ross is a joke but for Revis that's another story and I'd consider it, maybe even for Houston as well. Now it could have been a smoke screen but if you heard what Joey Clinkscales said about Olsen at the presser the other day you may not think they will take Olsen. someone in the press asked about him and Clinkscales basically gave a good report. But then someone asked him if Olsen can block. There was a short pause and he smiled and said "He Blocks". This drew a lot of laughter from the media guys. So its anyone guess what will happen on draft day if he is available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 He's a thug, i have read a few quotes from him, and he comes across as a total thug. He underachieved at a school that is notorious for amazing football talent. I heard your argument that he was the only threat on that entire team, and had sh!t at QB. Somehow guys like Calvin Johnson (i know you aren't comparing these two, they are worlds apart) still produced great numbers. Even a bum like Seneca Wallace can preform all by his lonesome. As TE goes, if he was really that good & fast they could have split him out wide and forced corners to cover him, or kept him inside and he should be able to burn up a LBer. Yet it never happened, his stats against good competition do not back him as being anything but a good sprinter. If memory serves, sprinting is not all that goes into being a quality TE in the NFL, its blocking, its being shifty at the goal line, with great hands. To me, he brings none of this to the table. Olsen WAS the only threat Miami had in the passing game, but while he did underachieve slightly, it is not as bad as the numbers look. Teams simply keyed on him, double teaming him. Still lead the team in receptions..... That thug comment just comes off completely baseless IMO. He's never been in any trouble, and his interview at the combines after he ran the 40, he's a well spoken kid. I know you're talking about the "7th floor crew", big whoop welcome to the NFL, dime a dozen with stuff like that. He has very good hands, catches the ball like a wide receiver. Blocking can be improved through strength and teaching. He's got alot of upside, maybe not with Pennington as his QB, but with a QB who can zip them in there Olsen would be a big time player I think. Not a "safe pick", but at the bottom of the 1st rd, he's one of the biggest upside value picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 He's a thug, i have read a few quotes from him, and he comes across as a total thug. He underachieved at a school that is notorious for amazing football talent. I heard your argument that he was the only threat on that entire team, and had sh!t at QB. Somehow guys like Calvin Johnson (i know you aren't comparing these two, they are worlds apart) still produced great numbers. Even a bum like Seneca Wallace can preform all by his lonesome. As TE goes, if he was really that good & fast they could have split him out wide and forced corners to cover him, or kept him inside and he should be able to burn up a LBer. Yet it never happened, his stats against good competition do not back him as being anything but a good sprinter. If memory serves, sprinting is not all that goes into being a quality TE in the NFL, its blocking, its being shifty at the goal line, with great hands. To me, he brings none of this to the table. 1) Suddenly Iowa State plays the same schedule as Miami U? College Stats Greg Olsen - 87 Rec, 1215 Yards, 6 TD's - 3 Years Tony Gonzalez - 89 Rec, 1302 Yards, 8 TD's - 3 Years Again, who played the tougher competition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Guard is not an important position. It is a luxery pick. And I agree that Mangold and D'Brick were great picks and that is all the more reason to stay way from OL in the first. Your coaches are set at two out of 5 positions and can now spend time developing the weakness of a 2nd or 3rd rounder. The reason the Jets can not spend another first on the OL, especially at guard has to do with the salary cap. Guard is a position that can be had in the second round (see Randy Thomas). Is it possible they go guard in the first? Yes - but I doubt it. Everyone is labeling Blalock as a Mangini guy and can't miss prospect - but that is just not true. Blalock is not a guy you can ask to pull like the Pats line is so good at. I have to believe the Jets are after building a Pats style athletic OL based on the two first round picks last year. Like I said when I line up positions the Jets will want guard comes in about 8th place. Luxery pick: I don't agree here. It has in the past been a luxery pick, but with all the money being dished out, i believe the NFL is changing. Teams are starting to notice the Broncos are always in contention, and don't always have the best at the skill positions, yet with 5 good linemen, they are always in contention for the division crown. I agree that you can find quality guards in the second, if we still had Washington's pick it would be a perfect spot to grabe a guard. Of course i disagree here, I think you build one area of your team to being not just good, but great. once they are great you can build off of it much quicker, the wholes are bigger, and the QB has more time. I wouldn't mind a good corner, or DE, I just don't see them as BPA at 25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 1) Suddenly Iowa State plays the same schedule as Miami U? College Stats Greg Olsen - 87 Rec, 1215 Yards, 6 TD's - 3 Years Tony Gonzalez - 89 Rec, 1302 Yards, 8 TD's - 3 Years Again, who played the tougher competition? That is a good comparison. As you know it won't translate into the same NFL career but its still a godo comparison. The thing with Gonzo is he is a team leader, and was never blessed with tremendous speed. he has some excellent intangbiles but they are a much different skill set than Olsen. Speed for a TE isn't as important as it would be at other positions, it does give him good upside, but i could see him being a total bust. jmo We may as well draft a receiver if the guy can't block, i don't see how this helps us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Luxery pick: I don't agree here. It has in the past been a luxery pick, but with all the money being dished out, i believe the NFL is changing. Teams are starting to notice the Broncos are always in contention, and don't always have the best at the skill positions, yet with 5 good linemen, they are always in contention for the division crown. I agree that you can find quality guards in the second, if we still had Washington's pick it would be a perfect spot to grabe a guard. Of course i disagree here, I think you build one area of your team to being not just good, but great. once they are great you can build off of it much quicker, the wholes are bigger, and the QB has more time. I wouldn't mind a good corner, or DE, I just don't see them as BPA at 25. I realize that there have been big money deals dished out recently - but that doesn't mean the league is changing at all. Hutchinson was coming off a super bowl year inwhich he blocked for the leading rusher and it didn't make Minnesota that much better. They still finished 6-10. Washington dished out big money years earlier to Randy Thomas and it has made little difference. The Broncos good years were due to an OL that was built with a great C and Tackles, not guards. Guards just are not that valuable, they are infact a luxery. They never were and never will be. If the league was truely changing you would hear about how Blalock or Grubb are being considered top 10 picks as they are the top rated at their position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 That is a good comparison. As you know it won't translate into the same NFL career but its still a godo comparison. The thing with Gonzo is he is a team leader, and was never blessed with tremendous speed. he has some excellent intangbiles but they are a much different skill set than Olsen. Speed for a TE isn't as important as it would be at other positions, it does give him good upside, but i could see him being a total bust. jmo We may as well draft a receiver if the guy can't block, i don't see how this helps us. IDK where this "the guy can't block stuff comes from" Olsen is not the best but he is good. He is also a deep snapper. Which fits a Mangini liking of being able to play multiple positions. You can split him wide, play him at TE and use him as a deep snapper. That is 3 roster spaces from 1 guy. I know that certain posters on other boards like to write 5 page diatribes on Blalock and how great he is, and how bad Olsen is - but it's not true at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 IDK where this "the guy can't block stuff comes from" Olsen is not the best but he is good. He is also a deep snapper. Which fits a Mangini liking of being able to play multiple positions. You can split him wide, play him at TE and use him as a deep snapper. That is 3 roster spaces from 1 guy. I know that certain posters on other boards like to write 5 page diatribes on Blalock and how great he is, and how bad Olsen is - but it's not true at all. I don't think i could write a full page on any one player, but i can come to a sort of agreement that blalock could be a reach at 25, i really hope we trade down to 31, or even out of the first all together. Last thing about Blalock is that he can play tackle, and NFL.com article said Ogden made the same switch out of college (i never realized that), and clement sucks, so it would work out. Green Bay struggled this year after losing their two guards. You can put blame on that in many different areas as well, but their line was so well rounded, and once they lost that, production dropped in so many areas...including defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 I don't think i could write a full page on any one player, but i can come to a sort of agreement that blalock could be a reach at 25, i really hope we trade down to 31, or even out of the first all together. Last thing about Blalock is that he can play tackle, and NFL.com article said Ogden made the same switch out of college (i never realized that), and clement sucks, so it would work out. Green Bay struggled this year after losing their two guards. You can put blame on that in many different areas as well, but their line was so well rounded, and once they lost that, production dropped in so many areas...including defense. If the Jets think Blalock can play RT at a high level it changes everything. I would then say take him. Who knows who the Jets will pick - but none of the prospects are without some flaw when picking at the end of the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 1) Suddenly Iowa State plays the same schedule as Miami U? College Stats Greg Olsen - 87 Rec, 1215 Yards, 6 TD's - 3 Years Tony Gonzalez - 89 Rec, 1302 Yards, 8 TD's - 3 Years Again, who played the tougher competition? wow, good job rsherry. And you know Schott would love to have a TE like Olsen too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stand2nd Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 Guard is not an important position. How can you make such a statement? If you don't open up holes for your running backs and you don't protect your QB your offense is going nowhere. Then your defense is overtaxed and it can't do it's job. The Houston Texans come to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 Guards are the least important position on offense Redskins, and Vikings come to mind. The Texans lacked and entire OL, and RB's not just guards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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