PFSIKH Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 Listen, you all need to come to a consensus about this weekend's series. Was the Red Sox performance because the pitching staff sucks. Or The result of a deep and powerful line-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 Damon Jeter Abreu Arod Giambi Its kind of an obvious answer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 The yankees had 3 automatic outs all weekend. Their lineup isn't the same right now and they still killed all 3 of boston's starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 The yankees had 3 automatic outs all weekend. Their lineup isn't the same right now and they still killed all 3 of boston's starters. The axiom that you win with pitching still holds. The Yankees pitching was worse. Could it be the same all year? Maybe. Maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowJet35 Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 If you look at the scores from the 3 games, we put up some runs, its just because or pitching sucks so bad, the Sox scored 6 runs each game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted April 23, 2007 Author Share Posted April 23, 2007 The axiom that you win with pitching still holds. The Yankees pitching was worse. Could it be the same all year? Maybe. Maybe not. Good point. Other then Wang, it is not like you have 3-4 potential Cy Young winners coming back. If Moose was 30 and not 38 and Pavano was able to pitch every 5 days as oppossed to every 5 months, the Yanks could write this series off. However, if they do not get any better they are in serious trouble unless they can consistently score 6 runs a game and they very well could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 The axiom that you win with pitching still holds. The Yankees pitching was worse. Could it be the same all year? Maybe. Maybe not. The yankee BULLPEN was worse. Pettitte was the best starter in that series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 Good point. Other then Wang, it is not like you have 3-4 potential Cy Young winners coming back. If Moose was 30 and not 38 and Pavano was able to pitch every 5 days as oppossed to every 5 months, the Yanks could write this series off. However, if they do not get any better they are in serious trouble unless they can consistently score 6 runs a game and they very well could.Mussina would've been the best pitcher on Boston last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 Good point. Other then Wang, it is not like you have 3-4 potential Cy Young winners coming back. If Moose was 30 and not 38 and Pavano was able to pitch every 5 days as oppossed to every 5 months, the Yanks could write this series off. However, if they do not get any better they are in serious trouble unless they can consistently score 6 runs a game and they very well could. Pavano didn't pitch last december Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 The yankee BULLPEN was worse. Pettitte was the best starter in that series. Last I checked, Bullpen is pitching. And a very important part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted April 23, 2007 Author Share Posted April 23, 2007 Mussina would've been the best pitcher on Boston last year. So? He might be a 5th starter this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 So? He might be a 5th starter this year. Uh no. He was better than Schilling and Beckett and nothing's changed. He'd be boston's no 2 starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 Bottom line.... Yanks pitching other than Pettite was awful. The bullpen couldn't hold a lead (Mo included) and throwing out the like of Kartsens, Wright, Vizcaino and the rest of the bullpen made the Sox look alot better than they really are. No complaints though. The Yanks did the job in beating on Schilling, Beckett and Dice-K. The Sox did a better job though. That could all change this weekend in the Bronx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted April 24, 2007 Author Share Posted April 24, 2007 Uh no. He was better than Schilling and Beckett and nothing's changed. He'd be boston's no 2 starter. Judging by your evaluation of the unmeasurable depth's of Yankee starting pitching, your opinion has zero value. Moose and his 9.00 ERA would not even crack the Sox starting 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 I think Wang had a fluke season. There is no way he can continue to have so much success without striking anyone out. If you allow the ball to be put in play 95% of the time, it is eventually going to bite you in the ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted April 24, 2007 Author Share Posted April 24, 2007 I think Wang had a fluke season. There is no way he can continue to have so much success without striking anyone out. If you allow the ball to be put in play 95% of the time, it is eventually going to bite you in the ass. I am sure he is looking forward to the Yankees 13th out of 14 teams ranked fielding. Good news though......Mientkiewicz leads the league in kick saves after digging Jeter's grounder that turned Ortiz' double play. I guess he rushed it to beat Big "Fleet 'o Feet" Papi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasonJet Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 Does it matter? They gave $100 million to a pitcher just so he could win games like this one, and he gives up 6 runs in 7 innings. If I was a Sawx fan I would be expecting more bang for my buck. And yes, I realize he won. But he won't be facing Chase Wright the next time he pitches against the Yankees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasonJet Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 Judging by your evaluation of the unmeasurable depth's of Yankee starting pitching, your opinion has zero value. Moose and his 9.00 ERA would not even crack the Sox starting 5. LMAO. HAHAHAHAHA. Good one, man. I needed a good chuckle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 Does it matter? They gave $100 million to a pitcher just so he could win games like this one, and he gives up 6 runs in 7 innings. If I was a Sawx fan I would be expecting more bang for my buck. And yes, I realize he won. But he won't be facing Chase Wright the next time he pitches against the Yankees. LOL who will he be facing Igawa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 Hey, Ham, if you are reading this, I am willing to open trade negotiations for Kei Igawa in fantasy baseball. He could be YOURS for the right price! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 Judging by your evaluation of the unmeasurable depth's of Yankee starting pitching, your opinion has zero value. Moose and his 9.00 ERA would not even crack the Sox starting 5. LOL @ HIS 9 ERA. Whats that over 6 innings? Great Argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.I.MikeBleedsGreen Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 The pitching was bad all the way around for the yanks ,Maybe they should have made a run at Zito earlier this season. I'm just sayin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted April 24, 2007 Author Share Posted April 24, 2007 LOL @ HIS 9 ERA. Whats that over 6 innings? Great Argument. Oppossed to your logic of selecting a guy that is on the DL was rocked in his one start versus a guy 12 years younger and 4-0. Yeah, you are a sharp one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 Oppossed to your logic of selecting a guy that is on the DL was rocked in his one start versus a guy 12 years younger and 4-0. Yeah, you are a sharp one. Beckett is 4-0 because of his run support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 Beckett is 4-0 because of his run support. A 2.55 ERA and 1.05 WHIP are bad numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 A 2.55 ERA and 1.05 WHIP are bad numbers? This week ERA and WHIP are also no way to judge a pitcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 A 2.55 ERA and 1.05 WHIP are bad numbers? He had 3 games vs awful teams and the yankees smacked him around. He's the same as he was last year and his numbers will show that over the long haul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 He had 3 games vs awful teams and the yankees smacked him around. He's the same as he was last year and his numbers will show that over the long haul. They just don't show it now, huh? You said run support was the reason for the wins, YET, you fail to support that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 Last I checked, Bullpen is pitching. And a very important part of it. Please, the BPS factor is a small % of the overall OPS. I can't believe you would even make such a statement. pWNED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 They just don't show it now, huh? You said run support was the reason for the wins, YET, you fail to support that. He's pitched against one decent hitting team and got bombed. And he leads the majors in run support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 Please, the BPS factor is a small % of the overall OPS. I can't believe you would even make such a statement. pWNED. you make that joke in every thread and it's retarded in every one. I get it. I'm an idiot because i think OPS is an important stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 you make that joke in every thread and it's retarded in every one. I get it. I'm an idiot because i think OPS is an important stat. Imagine how we feel hearing it trying to gain substantial substance when talking about baseball. Now you know how we feel about you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 Imagine how we feel hearing it trying to gain substantial substance when talking about baseball. Work on your sentence structure. That makes no sense whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 I and other people who understand the way baseball stats should be viewed, use OPS the way other people use BA, RBI's, Runs ect becuase it's a more much acctuare measure of how good a hitter that player is than those stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 I and other people who understand the way baseball stats should be viewed, use OPS the way other people use BA, RBI's, Runs ect becuase it's a more much acctuare measure of how good a hitter that player is than those stats. And you harp on me on sentence structure? I and other people are laughing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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