The Troll 97,533 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 **** you, Jim Hendry. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmike1 109,248 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 Don't be so pissed. You got more in this trade than the yankees got for Randy Johnson lol... Though they probably would've been better off just taking the draft picks... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyCarl40 53,211 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 So you were expecting to get something of value for a run of the mill catcher who has shown a history of being a problem in the clubhouse? Hmm.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmike1 109,248 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 So you were expecting to get something of value for a run of the mill catcher who has shown a history of being a problem in the clubhouse? Hmm.. How the hell is he run of the mill? Typical uninformed information from you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
faba 118,231 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 You knew Zambrano would win out in this confrontation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyCarl40 53,211 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 How the hell is he run of the mill? Typical uninformed information from you. You're right. You cannot find a catcher with a .256 AVG, a .307 OBP, a .734 OPS, and 9 HRs anywhere. Or one who has never hit over 20 HRs in his career. Or one who has made 5 errors this year with 8 passed balls and a whopping 17 % of runners out this season. Those are really diamonds in the rough. Needle in a haystack. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmike1 109,248 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 You're right. You cannot find a catcher with a .256 AVG, a .307 OBP, a .734 OPS, and 9 HRs anywhere. Or one who has never hit over 20 HRs in his career. Or one who has made 5 errors this year with 8 passed balls and a whopping 17 % of runners out this season. Those are really diamonds in the rough. Needle in a haystack. He's been one of the best catchers in the NL the last 3 years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmike1 109,248 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 As usual Cashman dropps the ball by not go ing after barrett. The yankees could've given the cubs more than they got... thats for sure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vanDoug 28,202 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 I liked Barrett on the Cubs. At least he had some fire in him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MasonJet 24,085 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 As usual Cashman dropps the ball by not go ing after barrett. The yankees could've given the cubs more than they got... thats for sure. What planet are you on? If anything the Yankees could use a bit of an upgrade at backup catcher, and Barrett is not a backup. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmike1 109,248 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 What planet are you on? If anything the Yankees could use a bit of an upgrade at backup catcher, and Barrett is not a backup. Getting Barrett would've let Posada play 1st 3-4 days a week and got his bat in the lineup every game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bob 158,598 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 How the hell is he run of the mill? Typical uninformed information from you. You're right. You cannot find a catcher with a .256 AVG, a .307 OBP, a .734 OPS, and 9 HRs anywhere. Or one who has never hit over 20 HRs in his career. Or one who has made 5 errors this year with 8 passed balls and a whopping 17 % of runners out this season. Those are really diamonds in the rough. Needle in a haystack. OWNED. Not that InsaneMike has enough grip on reality to understand it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MasonJet 24,085 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 Getting Barrett would've let Posada play 1st 3-4 days a week and got his bat in the lineup every game. Like I said, Barrett is a starting catcher not a backup. This isn't MLB 2K7 mikey. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmike1 109,248 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 Like I said, Barrett is a starting catcher not a backup. This isn't MLB 2K7 mikey. This was the player who was on the trade block for less than he was worth and didn't have a no trade clause. GOD FORBID cashman use that situation to improve the team lol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmike1 109,248 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 OWNED. Not that InsaneMike has enough grip on reality to understand it. BArrett will be the best catcher traded BY FAR this season and he was traded for next to nothing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Troll 97,533 Posted June 21, 2007 Author Share Posted June 21, 2007 You're right. You cannot find a catcher with a .256 AVG, a .307 OBP, a .734 OPS, and 9 HRs anywhere. Or one who has never hit over 20 HRs in his career. Or one who has made 5 errors this year with 8 passed balls and a whopping 17 % of runners out this season. Those are really diamonds in the rough. Needle in a haystack. Michael Barrett's last four seasons: 2004: .287/.337/.489 2005: .276/.345/.479 2006: .307/.358/.517 2007: .256/.307/.427 Barrett has had a down year thus far, but he had multiple hits last night and he is still one of the 5 best offensive catchers in baseball. He was the fourth most dangerous hitter on the Cubs' team and they traded him away for absolute ****. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GimmeShelter 21,641 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 Michael Barrett's last four seasons: 2004: .287/.337/.489 2005: .276/.345/.479 2006: .307/.358/.517 2007: .256/.307/.427 Barrett has had a down year thus far, but he had multiple hits last night and he is still one of the 5 best offensive catchers in baseball. He was the fourth most dangerous hitter on the Cubs' team and they traded him away for absolute ****. He's good and should have garnered more in return. I think the recent arguments with some of the staff sealed his fate and GM's new the price tag was at it's lowest. Top 5 offensively is a bit of a stretch. Victor Martinez, Posada, Mauer, Russell Martin, McCann, Bengie Molina, Johjima, Varitek, Ramon Hernandez, Pudge are all probably better. Barret is about on a Pierzynsky level. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmike1 109,248 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 He's good and should have garnered more in return. I think the recent arguments with some of the staff sealed his fate and GM's new the price tag was at it's lowest. Top 5 offensively is a bit of a stretch. Victor Martinez, Posada, Mauer, Russell Martin, McCann, Bengie Molina, Johjima, Varitek, Ramon Hernandez, Pudge are all probably better. Barret is about on a Pierzynsky level. He's a better hitter than Molina Varitek, Hernandez and Pudge at this point.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt39 42,705 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 Barret is about on a Pierzynsky level. ANd they sure love eachother too Thats fight was great Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DireJet38 5,302 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 He's not too sound behind the plate. Great in fantasy, but he's not a great backstop in terms of defense. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GimmeShelter 21,641 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 He's a better hitter than Molina Varitek, Hernandez and Pudge at this point.. Just not statistically....injuries this season aside. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmike1 109,248 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 Just not statistically. Yes. Statistically. The fact that he's been a slump doesn't change that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GimmeShelter 21,641 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 Yes. Statistically. The fact that he's been a slump doesn't change that. Which of those players does he have better stats than other than Hernandez who was injured? Pudge 7Hr-39 RBI's-.292 avg. Molina 6-34 - .294 Varitek 7-31 - .265 Barrett 9-29 - .255 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmike1 109,248 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 Which of those players does he have better stats than other than Hernandez who was injured? Pudge 7Hr-39 RBI's-.292 avg. Molina 6-34 - .294 Varitek 7-31 - .265 Barrett 9-29 - .255 Barrett has had a mid 800's OPS the last 3 years and thats what he'll probably end up with. None of those other players will do that. Also trying to use HR, AVG and RBI's to try to find the better player will give you useless information. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DireJet38 5,302 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 TELL THE NERDS WE WANT BASEBALL BACK! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GimmeShelter 21,641 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 Barrett has had a mid 800's OPS the last 3 years and thats what he'll probably end up with. None of those other players will do that. Also trying to use HR, AVG and RBI's to try to find the better player will give you useless information.[/quote] Yeah why they ever labled them the Triple Crown categories is beyond me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmike1 109,248 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 If you want to go by hundred year old baseball knowledge thats fine but it's not gonna tell you much about how well those players are playing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GimmeShelter 21,641 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 Listen Mike...Barrett had a "mid" 800 OPS once....last season in 375 AB's So it's jaded. Must everything be argued to death? Right now...today... he is the lowest of the group in Triple Crown categories AND.... get this.... OPS. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmike1 109,248 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 Barrett's last 3 seasons were all very good. Something you keep ignoring. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Troll 97,533 Posted June 21, 2007 Author Share Posted June 21, 2007 Which of those players does he have better stats than other than Hernandez who was injured? Pudge 7Hr-39 RBI's-.292 avg. Molina 6-34 - .294 Varitek 7-31 - .265 Barrett 9-29 - .255 Barrett is a better power hitter than any of them. And he hit .307 last season. Don't try to hold RBIs against Barrett. Like it's his fault that no one can get on base ahead of him. That is what happens you hit behind Jacque Jones. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyCarl40 53,211 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 Barrett is a better power hitter than any of them. And he hit .307 last season. Don't try to hold RBIs against Barrett. Like it's his fault that no one can get on base ahead of him. That is what happens you hit behind Jacque Jones. 20 HR seasons- Jason Varitek- 2 Pudge Rodriguez- 5 (and 3 others with 19) Michael Barrett- 0 Who's the better power hitter then? .307 is pretty decent considering he is a lifetime .267 hitter. And why does everyone continue to ignore the fact that Cecil Fielder could steal on this guy and his 17% thrown out ratio? Or the fact that his mother probably doesn't like him due to how bad of a clubhouse guy he is? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Troll 97,533 Posted June 21, 2007 Author Share Posted June 21, 2007 20 HR seasons- Jason Varitek- 2 Pudge Rodriguez- 5 (and 3 others with 19) Michael Barrett- 0 Who's the better power hitter then? .307 is pretty decent considering he is a lifetime .267 hitter. And why does everyone continue to ignore the fact that Cecil Fielder could steal on this guy and his 17% thrown out ratio? Or the fact that his mother probably doesn't like him due to how bad of a clubhouse guy he is? Homers over the last four seasons: Varitek: 59 Pudge: 53 Barrett: 57 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyCarl40 53,211 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 Homers over the last four seasons: Varitek: 59 Pudge: 53 Barrett: 57 You said he was a better power hitter than any of those guys on the list. Apparently you were mistaken. Admit it. Move on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GimmeShelter 21,641 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 You said he was a better power hitter than any of those guys on the list. Apparently you were mistaken. Admit it. Move on. Add Molina's 58 HR's the last 4 seasons and again there is no disparity. Barrett is a nice player....top5 offensively as a catcher?...NO. Better than the middle tier guys we are discussing? NO. He is also now no longer playing in Wrigley. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyCarl40 53,211 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 Add Molina's 58 HR's the last 4 seasons and again there is no disparity. Barrett is a nice player....top5 offensively as a catcher?...NO. Better than the middle tier guys we are discussing? NO. He is also now no longer playing in Wrigley. Add to that his defensive shortcomings and his CERA, and he really becomes... OMG! a mediocre, run of the mill catcher. Man, wish someone said that before. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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