124 Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 33 today, one of the best Yankees of all-time, will surely have his No.2 retired after his last days are done, years from now. Happy Birthday Derek! Pequannock, aka The Nock, born! Interesting stat: At the time of his 33rd birthday, Pete Rose, who went on to be the all-time hits leader, had 2,167 hits with a .312 average in 1,705 games. Jeter? 2,250 hits with a .318 average in 1,751 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowJet35 Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 Congrats to Jeter, but F the 'Nock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 There is only one Derek Jeter. There will never be another Derek Jeter. In this world, there is Derek Jeter and everyone else. Enjoy watching him while it lasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted June 26, 2007 Author Share Posted June 26, 2007 There is only one Derek Jeter. There will never be another Derek Jeter. In this world, there is Derek Jeter and everyone else. Enjoy watching him while it lasts. Indeed. Some other great Jeter stats: Has batted in every single spot in the order except for 5th. Every season opener started except for 2001 since '96, Mets meanwhile have had 4 opening day SS starters (Ordonez, Matsui, Reyes & Sanchez) Jeter has not gone hitless in four straight games since June '03. Jeter last year hit .348, 14 HR, 118 R, 97 RBI, 34 SB... only two other players have ever matched or exceeded those numbers in the same season.. Kiki Cuyler in '25 and George Sisler in '20. Only player every to win the All-Star and World Series MVP in the same season ('00). Derek has more hits than any other Derek to play in MLB with 2,250 to 1,357. Since Jeter became a regular in '96, the Yankees have sold 38,310,634 tickets at Yankees Stadium.. more than the population of Canada. Jeter is the only Yankees shortstop to have won a gold glove, he has won the past three. Since the start of the '96 season, Jeter has 659 multiple-hit games, more than any other player in the majors. Jeter has hit safely in 63 games this season, on pace for 140 games. The most ever? 135 by Jeter in '99, tieing him with Chuck Klien, Wade Boggs and Ichiro. Jeter is not only Mr.November, but also is the all-time postseason leader in hits (150) and runs (85). In 119 career postseason games, he has hit .314 with 17 HR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 Happy BDay Jeter very good player but no ARod. Wasn't Reyes 2006 season labeled the best ever by a SS since Honus Wagner in 2008? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 This world is not perfect. But if it were, we would all take turns smelling Jeter's fingers. Happy Birthday captain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 Happy BDay Jeter very good player but no ARod. Wasn't Reyes 2006 season labeled the best ever by a SS since Honus Wagner in 2008? According to who? Jeter was the best player in the AL last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 According to who? Jeter was the best player in the AL last year. As the 2006 season wound down, Reyes was in pursuit of an unusual feat: reaching 20 home runs, 20 triples, 20 doubles, and 20 stolen bases. By season's end, he had eclipsed the totals for doubles and stolen bases, but fell three triples and one home run shy of a 4 x 20 season. (Nevertheless, he led the league in triples and stolen bases). Only one player in baseball history, Willie Mays, has ever recorded at least 20 in all four categories in the same season; Mays did so in 1957, recording 26 doubles, 20 triples, 35 home runs and 38 stolen bases. Nevertheless, the Elias Sports Bureau notes that Reyes is the first player in baseball history to have more than 63 steals, 120 runs, 192 hits and 19 homers in a single season. No knock on Jete but just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 As the 2006 season wound down, Reyes was in pursuit of an unusual feat: reaching 20 home runs, 20 triples, 20 doubles, and 20 stolen bases. By season's end, he had eclipsed the totals for doubles and stolen bases, but fell three triples and one home run shy of a 4 x 20 season. (Nevertheless, he led the league in triples and stolen bases). Only one player in baseball history, Willie Mays, has ever recorded at least 20 in all four categories in the same season; Mays did so in 1957, recording 26 doubles, 20 triples, 35 home runs and 38 stolen bases. Nevertheless, the Elias Sports Bureau notes that Reyes is the first player in baseball history to have more than 63 steals, 120 runs, 192 hits and 19 homers in a single season. No knock on Jete but just saying. ARod's Texas years were much better. On base 40% of the time. 50+ home runs. .300 average. Unreal for a SS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 Wasn't Reyes 2006 season labeled the best ever by a SS since Honus Wagner in 2008? Happy B-day to my man Jeter. Now, lets put down the crackpipe (just kidding) and take things into prospective here: Honus Wagner 1908: .355/.415/.542, 68 XBH, 53 SB, 205 OPS+ Arky Vaughan 1935: .385/.491/.607, 63 XBH, 99 RBI, 4 stolen bases, 190 OPS+ Ernie Banks 1958: .313/.364/.614, 81 XBH, 4 SB, 156 OPS+ Robin Yount 1982: .331/.379/.578, 87 XBH, 14 SB, 166 OPS Cal Ripken Jr 1991: .323/.374/.566, 85 XBH, 6 SB, 162 OPS+ Alex Rodriguez 1996: .358/.414/.631, 91 XBH, 15 SB, 160 OPS+ Alex Rodriguez 1998: .310/.360/.560, 82 XBH, 46 SB, 135 OPS+ Nomar Garciapara 1999: .357/.418/.603, 73 XBH, 14 SB, 152 OPS+ Derek Jeter 1999: .349/.438/.552, 70 XBH, 19 SB, 161 OPS+ Alex Rodriguez 2000: .316/.420/.606, 77 XBH, 15 SB, 167 OPS+ Alex Rodriguez 2001: .318/.399/.622, 87 XBH, 18 SB, 164 OPS+ Alex Rodriguez 2002: .300/.392/.623, 86 XBH, 9 SB, 152 OPS+ Alex Rodriguez 2003: .298/.396/.600, 83 XBH, 17 SB, 148 OPS Jose Reyes 2006: .300/.354/.487, 66 XBH, 64 SB, 118 OPS+ I'm not thinking Reyes' 06 is anywhere near any of these seasons, and I left out a bunch of Ernie Banks seasons, and even Jeter in 2006. Hell, Hanley Ramirez in 2006 was maybe only 2-3 percent less of what Reyes was offensively and projects to become a better hitter in the future (not that it matters) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 According to who? Jeter was the best player in the AL last year. Yes, and what about the 10 previous years and the one after that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penningtonfan82 Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 Happy birthday Mr. Jeter forever one of the greatest yankees in my heart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny green balls Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 i love reyes. i agree with those that say he's the most exciting player in the game. i think he has the potential to be one of the great ones. even though i am a mets fan, the jeter/reyes comparisons are assinine. jeter is a proven champ, has proven he can get it done in oct/nov, and if his career ended today he'd be a shoe in for HOF. i don't mind people saying "reyes has a shot to be as good as jeter" but to insinuate that you'd rather have reyes on your team than jeter at this point in their careers, especially come crunch time, is ludicrous imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 i love reyes. i agree with those that say he's the most exciting player in the game. i think he has the potential to be one of the great ones. He also doesn't cost $20 million a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 He also doesn't cost $20 million a season. yet.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 yet.... Reyes is signed through 2011 for a TOTAL of $23.25 million (appx. $4.65 million per season). I can never see a time where he will ask for a pay jump of 500 % and reach Jeterian proportions unless we see some heavy economic inflation by the time the next decade rolls around. And if he does, he isn't going to get it. Sorry, but NO baseball player is worth the amount of money Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez make. Championships are won not with high-paid superstars but with role players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny green balls Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 yet.... exactly. when his current contract is up (3.5 mill a year, i think) he'll demand--and deserve--mucho dinero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 exactly. when his current contract is up (3.5 mill a year, i think) he'll demand--and deserve--mucho dinero. To the tune of a jump from 3.5 million to 20? I don't think so. He'll be paid his market value. Jeter's salary far exceeds market value. Plus, this extension Reyes signed was pretty recent. If he wanted a major payday, he probably missed his chance. Now he'll have to wait a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 To the tune of a jump from 3.5 million to 20? I don't think so. He'll be paid his market value. Jeter's salary far exceeds market value. Plus, this extension Reyes signed was pretty recent. If he wanted a major payday, he probably missed his chance. Now he'll have to wait a few years. Jeter would easily make 20 million per year on the open market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anskyruben Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 I remember when morons like the rabbit man were arguing as to how much better Nosemar was than Jeter. Last time I checked the ring count is clear. Now we have Mets fans to deal with. Jeter is a PROVEN future hall of famer. His postseason numbers as well as regular season say it all. Captain of a storied franchise. He is on his way to Cooperstown. the question is, how many more rings will he have by then. I guarantee more than reyes will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny green balls Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 To the tune of a jump from 3.5 million to 20? I don't think so. He'll be paid his market value. Jeter's salary far exceeds market value. Plus, this extension Reyes signed was pretty recent. If he wanted a major payday, he probably missed his chance. Now he'll have to wait a few years. value per dollar is a more reasonable argument but that's not the point i was making. some people try to compare them straight up and that's horsefeathers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Jeter would easily make 20 million per year on the open market. Not a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Not a chance. He was talking about him being a male escort. Forbes said he would make 22 million that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Not a chance. A gold glove SS who was the best player in the entire league last year? He'd make 20 EASILY. If Soriano can get 17 million to play LF, Jeter can EASILY get 20 to play SS. Probably more. The Truth is that Jeter is underpaid right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 madmike, i got your back bro, but Jeter would NEVER be paid 20 million by anybody besides the Yankees he's clearly worth a good 10-15 million in his prime, but as a 33 year old I think only NYY would pay him that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 I remember when morons like the rabbit man were arguing as to how much better Nosemar was than Jeter. Last time I checked the ring count is clear. Now we have Mets fans to deal with. Jeter is a PROVEN future hall of famer. His postseason numbers as well as regular season say it all. Captain of a storied franchise. He is on his way to Cooperstown. the question is, how many more rings will he have by then. I guarantee more than reyes will. reyes sees no more than two if that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Happy B-day to my man Jeter. Now, lets put down the crackpipe (just kidding) and take things into prospective here: Honus Wagner 1908: .355/.415/.542, 68 XBH, 53 SB, 205 OPS+ Arky Vaughan 1935: .385/.491/.607, 63 XBH, 99 RBI, 4 stolen bases, 190 OPS+ Ernie Banks 1958: .313/.364/.614, 81 XBH, 4 SB, 156 OPS+ Robin Yount 1982: .331/.379/.578, 87 XBH, 14 SB, 166 OPS Cal Ripken Jr 1991: .323/.374/.566, 85 XBH, 6 SB, 162 OPS+ Alex Rodriguez 1996: .358/.414/.631, 91 XBH, 15 SB, 160 OPS+ Alex Rodriguez 1998: .310/.360/.560, 82 XBH, 46 SB, 135 OPS+ Nomar Garciapara 1999: .357/.418/.603, 73 XBH, 14 SB, 152 OPS+ Derek Jeter 1999: .349/.438/.552, 70 XBH, 19 SB, 161 OPS+ Alex Rodriguez 2000: .316/.420/.606, 77 XBH, 15 SB, 167 OPS+ Alex Rodriguez 2001: .318/.399/.622, 87 XBH, 18 SB, 164 OPS+ Alex Rodriguez 2002: .300/.392/.623, 86 XBH, 9 SB, 152 OPS+ Alex Rodriguez 2003: .298/.396/.600, 83 XBH, 17 SB, 148 OPS Jose Reyes 2006: .300/.354/.487, 66 XBH, 64 SB, 118 OPS+ I'm not thinking Reyes' 06 is anywhere near any of these seasons, and I left out a bunch of Ernie Banks seasons, and even Jeter in 2006. Hell, Hanley Ramirez in 2006 was maybe only 2-3 percent less of what Reyes was offensively and projects to become a better hitter in the future (not that it matters) I would like to thank Gimmieshelter for not bothering to argue back. Good man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeebers Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 I remember when morons like the rabbit man were arguing as to how much better Nosemar was than Jeter. Last time I checked the ring count is clear. Now we have Mets fans to deal with. Jeter is a PROVEN future hall of famer. His postseason numbers as well as regular season say it all. Captain of a storied franchise. He is on his way to Cooperstown. the question is, how many more rings will he have by then. I guarantee more than reyes will. Having more rings doesn't necessary equate to being a better player. All it means is you play on good teams, which the late 90's yankees were. I doubt anyone would argue that A-rod has always been a better player and better SS. But in the Yankee universe, logic does not seem to matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 I would like to thank Gimmieshelter for not bothering to argue back. Good man. BS....Depends if you go by the Bill James school of OPS means everything..... I don't. I leave that for you and Madmike to use as a simple math equation....my point wasn't comparing OPS it was stating that Reyes was the 1st player in ages to approach 20 HR's ,doubles, triples , along with 194 hits,122 runs and oh by the way steal 64 bases. Only one player in baseball history, Willie Mays, has ever recorded at least 20 in all four categories in the same season;....putting Reyes in that company is pretty good despite not passing your OPS test. He didn't get dismissed in the divisional round either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 BS....Depends if you go by the Bill James school of OPS means everything..... I don't. I leave that for you and Madmike to use as a simple math equation....my point wasn't comparing OPS it was stating that Reyes was the 1st player in ages to approach 20 HR's ,doubles, triples , along with 194 hits,122 runs and oh by the way steal 64 bases. Only one player in baseball history, Willie Mays, has ever recorded at least 20 in all four categories in the same season;....putting Reyes in that company is pretty good despite not passing your OPS test. He didn't get dismissed in the divisional round either. George Brett 1979, Jim Bottomly 1928, Jeff Heath 1941 and Frank Schulte in 1911 all had 20 doubles/triples/home runs in a season, thats a rare catagory, but there are several players who were one or two off in a catagory that barely missed it. and Jose did everything you can ask of a leadoff hitter to do, he had a FANTASTIC year and I'm sure will have better peak years if he stays away from cocaine like the last time the Mets had a prospect as good as him but comparing it to the peaks of A-rod, Cal Ripken, Arky Vaughan or Ernie Banks at SS? playa please. and JEter and Nomar had better peak seasons too. Being in the 40-40 club > almost being in the 20-20-20-60 club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 Having more rings doesn't necessary equate to being a better player. All it means is you play on good teams. you are being too logical for this site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 Having more rings doesn't necessary equate to being a better player. All it means is you play on good teams, which the late 90's yankees were. I doubt anyone would argue that A-rod has always been a better player and better SS. But in the Yankee universe, logic does not seem to matter. Jeter would be a first ballot hall of famer he if had never played in 1 playoff game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 Jeter would be a first ballot hall of famer he if had never played in 1 playoff game. good chance,,,,thats all depends on how many 'locks' are up for induction in same year,,that gets in way sometimes,,but certainly deserving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 Jeter would be a first ballot hall of famer he if had never played in 1 playoff game. So would ARod yet Yank fans here used to try and claim Jeter was the better player. ARod is more capable of carrying the Yanks and the superior player. I believe the same for Reyes as while not a big power hitter he changes games in a manner Jeter can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 reyes sees no more than two if that I'll take 2 rings, and you can say Jeter is better than Reyes all you want. Deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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