madmike1 109,248 #106 Posted July 5, 2007 Okajima has pitched more late inning pressure situations with runners on than Neshek and has a ERA over 2 full runs better in those situations. He has also pitched more late inning close games in total with better stats. Neshek is good but "inventing" numbers because you hate the Sox is childish. You're wrong as usual. In "Close and Late" situations Neshek has faced 135 batters and Okajima has faced 94. Neshek has also faced 4 times the number of batters in Tie games as Okajima has. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thor99 410,254 #107 Posted July 5, 2007 You're wrong as usual. In "Close and Late" situations Neshek has faced 135 batters and Okajima has faced 94. Neshek has also faced 4 times the number of batters in Tie games as Okajima has. Will you at least admit that the Red Sox are a better team, and that's why Okajima has fewer chances? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
madmike1 109,248 #108 Posted July 5, 2007 Will you at least admit that the Red Sox are a better team, and that's why Okajima has fewer chances? He gets better chances because he's used in different ways by his manager. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GimmeShelter 21,640 #109 Posted July 5, 2007 You're wrong as usual. In "Close and Late" situations Neshek has faced 135 batters and Okajima has faced 94. Neshek has also faced 4 times the number of batters in Tie games as Okajima has. Number of batters faced is a product of extending the inning via allowing hits or walks.....see ERA in close and late runners on etc. Bottom line: Okajima has thrown more innings during late pressure and more innings during late inning pressure with runners on. As for batters faced close and late ;http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/psplit.cgi?n1=okajihi01&year=2007 Okajima also has a better ERA in BOTH those situations. Okajima http://2001ball.baseball.sportsline.com/players/player/breakdown/1179735 Neshek http://2001ball.baseball.sportsline.com/players/player/breakdown/549738 Neshek has also allowed more HR's than Okajima's in close and late situations . Both are good pitchers but to date this season I'll take Okajima. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thor99 410,254 #110 Posted July 5, 2007 Number of batters faced is a product of extending the inning via allowing hits or walks.....see ERA in close and late runners on etc. Bottom line: Okajima has thrown more innings during late pressure and more innings during late inning pressure with runners on. As for batters faced close and late ;http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/psplit.cgi?n1=okajihi01&year=2007 Okajima also has a better ERA in BOTH those situations. Okajima http://2001ball.baseball.sportsline.com/players/player/breakdown/1179735 Neshek http://2001ball.baseball.sportsline.com/players/player/breakdown/549738 Neshek has also allowed more HR's than Okajima's in close and late situations . Both are good pitchers but to date this season I'll take Okajima. Whoops! Where'd he go? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott Dierking 132,026 #111 Posted July 5, 2007 Whoops! Where'd he go? Arguing with the cat over the % of additives in the cat food. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
madmike1 109,248 #112 Posted July 5, 2007 Number of batters faced is a product of extending the inning via allowing hits or walks.....see ERA in close and late runners on etc. Bottom line: Okajima has thrown more innings during late pressure and more innings during late inning pressure with runners on. As for batters faced close and late ;http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/psplit.cgi?n1=okajihi01&year=2007 Okajima also has a better ERA in BOTH those situations. Okajima http://2001ball.baseball.sportsline.com/players/player/breakdown/1179735 Neshek http://2001ball.baseball.sportsline.com/players/player/breakdown/549738 Neshek has also allowed more HR's than Okajima's in close and late situations . Both are good pitchers but to date this season I'll take Okajima. What are you talking about "more innings." Neshek has clearly been inserted into more close and late situations than Okajima. Neshek has faced MANY more batters in those situations. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GimmeShelter 21,640 #113 Posted July 5, 2007 What are you talking about "more innings." Neshek has clearly been inserted into more close and late situations than Okajima. Neshek has faced MANY more batters in those situations. Check baseball reference.com....check CBS. Okajima has more innings, faced more batters and better stats in those situations. http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/psplit.cgi?n1=neshepa01&year=2007 http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/psplit.cgi?n1=okajihi01&year=2007 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernJet 209,017 #114 Posted July 5, 2007 Check baseball reference.com....check CBS. Okajima has more innings, faced more batters and better stats in those situations. uhoh,,somewhere downstairs in someones basement Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GimmeShelter 21,640 #115 Posted July 5, 2007 Add another close and late HR to his resume. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nj meadowlands 26,186 #116 Posted July 5, 2007 Hey Pattie nice BOMB Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gainzo 147,142 #117 Posted July 5, 2007 Neshek comes in with the bases empty and gives up a 2 run shot. The 7th HR he has given up this year. I think its an understatement to say that with the All-Star vote in balloting ending in 90 minutes this probably wasn't a good time to give up a 2 run HR in a tie game. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
madmike1 109,248 #118 Posted July 5, 2007 Check baseball reference.com....check CBS. Okajima has more innings, faced more batters and better stats in those situations. http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/psplit.cgi?n1=neshepa01&year=2007 http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/psplit.cgi?n1=okajihi01&year=2007 Uhhhhhh. NO he hasn't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MasonJet 24,085 #119 Posted July 5, 2007 Why do people still debate with madmike? I really don't understand why you even bother. He's obviously right all the time so there's no need to doubt him. But seriously, all you get out of arguing with madmike is absurd spin where stats mean everything, but only the ones that help his argument, and then when you dare to disagree with him you get accused of stalking and some such nonsense. Just don't even bother with the guy. And anyway Neshek just gave up a game-winning hr to Matsui which I'm guessing isn't going to help his all-star voting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
madmike1 109,248 #120 Posted July 5, 2007 Be on the lookout for the twins to release Neshek after that homer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShadowJet35 8,158 #121 Posted July 5, 2007 Whoops! Where'd he go? he has a life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gainzo 147,142 #122 Posted July 5, 2007 Be on the lookout for the twins to release Neshek after that homer. All you have is sarcasm? Neshek has had a fine season thus far but giving up 7 HR's isn't a good thing. Neshek came in with the bases empty in a tied game and gave up a 2 run homer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
madmike1 109,248 #123 Posted July 5, 2007 All you have is sarcasm? Neshek has had a fine season thus far but giving up 7 HR's isn't a good thing. Neshek came in with the bases empty in a tied game and gave up a 2 run homer. Okajima got bombed the last time the yankees saw him too. That happens to relievers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gainzo 147,142 #124 Posted July 5, 2007 Okajima got bombed the last time the yankees saw him too. That happens to relievers... If you want to talk bombs then your man Neshek is the guy to talk to. Way to bring up a game from June 3rd when Okajima blew a save (his one and only). How about you talk about Nesheck giving up the game winning runs (both HR's) for the 2nd time in two weeks? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
madmike1 109,248 #125 Posted July 5, 2007 If you want to talk bombs then your man Neshek is the guy to talk to. Way to bring up a game from June 3rd when Okajima blew a save (his one and only). How about you talk about Nesheck giving up the game winning runs (both HR's) for the 2nd time in two weeks? I like how any player i try to defend against a boston play is "my boy." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gainzo 147,142 #126 Posted July 5, 2007 I like how any player i try to defend against a boston play is "my boy." This has nothing to do with Boston and you have been Neshek's biggest cheerleader in this thread so I consider him "your boy." You dismissed Okajima's superior numbers in favour of Nesheck for some strange reason. If I'm such a Boston homer why did I say that Arod deserves to win the MVP this year in another thread? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timbok 591 #127 Posted July 5, 2007 i voted for him..and that pitcher from pittsburgh..gorzalany Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildthing2022000 7,464 #128 Posted July 5, 2007 Update: http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/all_star/y2007/index.jsp Okajima wins the vote in the AL Young wins in the NL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gainzo 147,142 #129 Posted July 5, 2007 Update: http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/all_star/y2007/index.jsp Okajima wins the vote in the AL Young wins in the NL Young should have made the team before this popularity contest. Okajima as well as Neshek deserved to be there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arsis 15,918 #130 Posted July 5, 2007 I like the kind of help Hideki gave him today Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gainzo 147,142 #131 Posted July 5, 2007 I like the kind of help Hideki gave him today I guess Hideki was just trying to help out his fellow Countryman! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gainzo 147,142 #132 Posted July 6, 2007 I like how any player i try to defend against a boston play is "my boy." Where are you? I already laid out the facts. This isn't Boston vs. NY. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
madmike1 109,248 #133 Posted July 6, 2007 This has nothing to do with Boston and you have been Neshek's biggest cheerleader in this thread so I consider him "your boy." You dismissed Okajima's superior numbers in favour of Nesheck for some strange reason. If I'm such a Boston homer why did I say that Arod deserves to win the MVP this year in another thread? Because Arod is a complete no brainer. As for this thread he doesn't have clearly better numbers or I never would've posted here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gainzo 147,142 #134 Posted July 6, 2007 Because Arod is a complete no brainer. As for this thread he doesn't have clearly better numbers or I never would've posted here. Okajima has better numbers than Neshek. Deal with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
madmike1 109,248 #135 Posted July 6, 2007 Okajima has better numbers than Neshek. Deal with it. No he doesn't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gainzo 147,142 #136 Posted July 6, 2007 No he doesn't. Yes he does. 0.88 ERA. Does Mr 7 HR's, Neshek, have a sub 1.00 ERA? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShadowJet35 8,158 #137 Posted July 6, 2007 Yes he does. 0.88 ERA. Does Mr 7 HR's, Neshek, have a sub 1.00 ERA? Who has pitched to more batters... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
madmike1 109,248 #138 Posted July 6, 2007 Yes he does. 0.88 ERA. Does Mr 7 HR's, Neshek, have a sub 1.00 ERA? What about FIVE HOMERS don't you understand. And there are MUCH more important stats for RP's than ERA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GimmeShelter 21,640 #139 Posted July 6, 2007 No he doesn't. Neshek doesn't need help as the thread suggests but you do. You have been smoked in the Reyes and Neshek threads but remain infantile on the matter. All players discussed in both threads are good but you simply made bogus statements and were statistically (your passion BTW) proved wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
madmike1 109,248 #140 Posted July 6, 2007 Neshek doesn't need help as the thread suggests but you do. You have been smoked in the Reyes and Neshek threads but remain infantile on the matter. All players discussed in both threads are good but you simply made bogus statements and were statistically (your passion BTW) proved wrong. You are the one who posted links that didn't say the things you said they did but apparently I'VE been proved wrong LOL. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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