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Okajima has pitched more late inning pressure situations with runners on than Neshek and has a ERA over 2 full runs better in those situations. He has also pitched more late inning close games in total with better stats.

Neshek is good but "inventing" numbers because you hate the Sox is childish.

You're wrong as usual. In "Close and Late" situations Neshek has faced 135 batters and Okajima has faced 94. Neshek has also faced 4 times the number of batters in Tie games as Okajima has.

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You're wrong as usual. In "Close and Late" situations Neshek has faced 135 batters and Okajima has faced 94. Neshek has also faced 4 times the number of batters in Tie games as Okajima has.

Will you at least admit that the Red Sox are a better team, and that's why Okajima has fewer chances?

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Will you at least admit that the Red Sox are a better team, and that's why Okajima has fewer chances?

He gets better chances because he's used in different ways by his manager.

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You're wrong as usual. In "Close and Late" situations Neshek has faced 135 batters and Okajima has faced 94. Neshek has also faced 4 times the number of batters in Tie games as Okajima has.

Number of batters faced is a product of extending the inning via allowing hits or walks.....see ERA in close and late runners on etc. Bottom line: Okajima has thrown more innings during late pressure and more innings during late inning pressure with runners on. As for batters faced close and late ;http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/psplit.cgi?n1=okajihi01&year=2007

Okajima also has a better ERA in BOTH those situations.

Okajima

http://2001ball.baseball.sportsline.com/players/player/breakdown/1179735

Neshek

http://2001ball.baseball.sportsline.com/players/player/breakdown/549738

Neshek has also allowed more HR's than Okajima's in close and late situations .

Both are good pitchers but to date this season I'll take Okajima.

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Number of batters faced is a product of extending the inning via allowing hits or walks.....see ERA in close and late runners on etc. Bottom line: Okajima has thrown more innings during late pressure and more innings during late inning pressure with runners on. As for batters faced close and late ;http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/psplit.cgi?n1=okajihi01&year=2007

Okajima also has a better ERA in BOTH those situations.

Okajima

http://2001ball.baseball.sportsline.com/players/player/breakdown/1179735

Neshek

http://2001ball.baseball.sportsline.com/players/player/breakdown/549738

Neshek has also allowed more HR's than Okajima's in close and late situations .

Both are good pitchers but to date this season I'll take Okajima.

Whoops!

Where'd he go?

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Number of batters faced is a product of extending the inning via allowing hits or walks.....see ERA in close and late runners on etc. Bottom line: Okajima has thrown more innings during late pressure and more innings during late inning pressure with runners on. As for batters faced close and late ;http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/psplit.cgi?n1=okajihi01&year=2007

Okajima also has a better ERA in BOTH those situations.

Okajima

http://2001ball.baseball.sportsline.com/players/player/breakdown/1179735

Neshek

http://2001ball.baseball.sportsline.com/players/player/breakdown/549738

Neshek has also allowed more HR's than Okajima's in close and late situations .

Both are good pitchers but to date this season I'll take Okajima.

What are you talking about "more innings." Neshek has clearly been inserted into more close and late situations than Okajima. Neshek has faced MANY more batters in those situations.

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What are you talking about "more innings." Neshek has clearly been inserted into more close and late situations than Okajima. Neshek has faced MANY more batters in those situations.

Check baseball reference.com....check CBS. Okajima has more innings, faced more batters and better stats in those situations.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/psplit.cgi?n1=neshepa01&year=2007

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/psplit.cgi?n1=okajihi01&year=2007

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Check baseball reference.com....check CBS. Okajima has more innings, faced more batters and better stats in those situations.

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Neshek comes in with the bases empty and gives up a 2 run shot. The 7th HR he has given up this year.

I think its an understatement to say that with the All-Star vote in balloting ending in 90 minutes this probably wasn't a good time to give up a 2 run HR in a tie game.

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Why do people still debate with madmike? I really don't understand why you even bother. He's obviously right all the time so there's no need to doubt him. But seriously, all you get out of arguing with madmike is absurd spin where stats mean everything, but only the ones that help his argument, and then when you dare to disagree with him you get accused of stalking and some such nonsense. Just don't even bother with the guy.

And anyway Neshek just gave up a game-winning hr to Matsui which I'm guessing isn't going to help his all-star voting.

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Be on the lookout for the twins to release Neshek after that homer.

All you have is sarcasm?

Neshek has had a fine season thus far but giving up 7 HR's isn't a good thing.

Neshek came in with the bases empty in a tied game and gave up a 2 run homer.

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All you have is sarcasm?

Neshek has had a fine season thus far but giving up 7 HR's isn't a good thing.

Neshek came in with the bases empty in a tied game and gave up a 2 run homer.

Okajima got bombed the last time the yankees saw him too. That happens to relievers...

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Okajima got bombed the last time the yankees saw him too. That happens to relievers...

If you want to talk bombs then your man Neshek is the guy to talk to.

Way to bring up a game from June 3rd when Okajima blew a save (his one and only).

How about you talk about Nesheck giving up the game winning runs (both HR's) for the 2nd time in two weeks?

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If you want to talk bombs then your man Neshek is the guy to talk to.

Way to bring up a game from June 3rd when Okajima blew a save (his one and only).

How about you talk about Nesheck giving up the game winning runs (both HR's) for the 2nd time in two weeks?

I like how any player i try to defend against a boston play is "my boy."

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I like how any player i try to defend against a boston play is "my boy."

This has nothing to do with Boston and you have been Neshek's biggest cheerleader in this thread so I consider him "your boy."

You dismissed Okajima's superior numbers in favour of Nesheck for some strange reason.

If I'm such a Boston homer why did I say that Arod deserves to win the MVP this year in another thread?

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I like the kind of help Hideki gave him today

I guess Hideki was just trying to help out his fellow Countryman!

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I like how any player i try to defend against a boston play is "my boy."

Where are you? I already laid out the facts. This isn't Boston vs. NY.

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This has nothing to do with Boston and you have been Neshek's biggest cheerleader in this thread so I consider him "your boy."

You dismissed Okajima's superior numbers in favour of Nesheck for some strange reason.

If I'm such a Boston homer why did I say that Arod deserves to win the MVP this year in another thread?

Because Arod is a complete no brainer. As for this thread he doesn't have clearly better numbers or I never would've posted here.

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Because Arod is a complete no brainer. As for this thread he doesn't have clearly better numbers or I never would've posted here.

Okajima has better numbers than Neshek.

Deal with it.

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No he doesn't.

Yes he does. 0.88 ERA.

Does Mr 7 HR's, Neshek, have a sub 1.00 ERA?

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Yes he does. 0.88 ERA.

Does Mr 7 HR's, Neshek, have a sub 1.00 ERA?

What about FIVE HOMERS don't you understand. And there are MUCH more important stats for RP's than ERA.

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No he doesn't.

Neshek doesn't need help as the thread suggests but you do.

You have been smoked in the Reyes and Neshek threads but remain infantile on the matter. All players discussed in both threads are good but you simply made bogus statements and were statistically (your passion BTW) proved wrong.

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Neshek doesn't need help as the thread suggests but you do.

You have been smoked in the Reyes and Neshek threads but remain infantile on the matter. All players discussed in both threads are good but you simply made bogus statements and were statistically (your passion BTW) proved wrong.

You are the one who posted links that didn't say the things you said they did but apparently I'VE been proved wrong LOL.

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