Blackout Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 I'm so impressed with a-rod, when the yanks win big,he hits 4 for 5, when its close, he shrivels up like a little school girl. Playoffs are even worse. What a chump, not sure why the yanks want to build a team around this bum when they have Jeter. With out pay-rod the yanks would have grabbed another title. umm a-rod has like 3 or 4 game winning home runs this year and without him he'd probably be ten games behind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 umm a-rod has like 3 or 4 game winning home runs this year and without him he'd probably be ten games behind Yes, but he doesn't have the steely glare of determination that Derek Jeter does. And that is what is important to winning baseball games. Steely glares of determination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 Morneau is quietly sneaking back into the race after being out with a bruised lung. Many voters may look at Ortiz's non MVP winning stats from last year and apply the same logic in not voting for ARod. Cecil Fielder's son now has 29 bombs over in the NL for the Brewers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowJet35 Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 Morneau is quietly sneaking back into the race after being out with a bruised lung. Many voters may look at Ortiz's non MVP winning stats from last year and apply the same logic in not voting for ARod. Cecil Fielder's son now has 29 bombs over in the NL for the Brewers. Prince Fielder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowJet35 Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 Taking a quick glance at the NL, Jimmy Rollins, Matt Holliday, Prince Fielder, Aramis Ramirez (having a quiet season) or Russell Martin all put forth interesting cases. Despite that it might only be between Rollins and Fielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 Morneau is quietly sneaking back into the race after being out with a bruised lung. Many voters may look at Ortiz's non MVP winning stats from last year and apply the same logic in not voting for ARod. Cecil Fielder's son now has 29 bombs over in the NL for the Brewers. thats only bc Ortiz had a panic attack when the Yankees came to town and swept his team for 5 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 thats only bc Ortiz had a panic attack when the Yankees came to town and swept his team for 5 games While I am a big ARod fan wouldn't he be the poster boy for such panic attacks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 Yes, but he doesn't have the steely glare of determination that Derek Jeter does. And that is what is important to winning baseball games. Steely glares of determination. no i think its that jeter is a five tool athlete and pay-rod can't do chit when the pressure is on...his october preformances are flippin hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 no i think its that jeter is a five tool athlete and pay-rod can't do chit when the pressure is on...his october preformances are flippin hilarious. How many walk-off shots has Jeter hit this season? And, how many times has ARod grounded out with men on base to end the game this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 How many walk-off shots has Jeter hit this season? And, how many times has ARod grounded out with men on base to end the game this season? ARod hit 2 or 3 walk-offs in April! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 How many walk-off shots has Jeter hit this season? And, how many times has ARod grounded out with men on base to end the game this season? Shhh. Don't you know that you can't impugn The Captain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 Shhh. Don't you know that you can't impugn The Captain? Yeah, he's only hitting .425 with RISP and 2 outs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 Yeah, he's only hitting .425 with RISP and 2 outs. And what do those numbers look like in the 9th inning and later in a game the Yanks are losing? It seems like Jeter grounds out to end the game about once a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 And what do those numbers look like in the 9th inning and later in a game the Yanks are losing? It seems like Jeter grounds out to end the game about once a week. Really? Because thats the 1st time I've seen it all year and I've seen pretty much every game. Jeters been unreal with risp this year. He didnt get it done vs krod the dancing tamberine monkey dooshe, but he usually does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 Really? Because thats the 1st time I've seen it all year and I've seen pretty much every game. Jeters been unreal with risp this year. He didnt get it done vs krod the dancing tamberine monkey dooshe, but he usually does. Bottom 9th: NY Yankees - J. Papelbon relieved H. Okajima - J. Giambi walked - R. Cano walked, J. Giambi to second - M. Cabrera hit for J. Phelps - M. Cabrera struck out swinging - J. Damon grounded out to second, J. Giambi to third, R. Cano to second - D. Jeter struck out looking 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors Boston 7, NY Yankees 3 Bottom 9th: NY Yankees - T. Murphy in right field - F. Rodriguez relieved J. Lackey - B. Abreu walked - J. Posada hit for D. Mientkiewicz - J. Posada singled to right, B. Abreu to second - J. Damon hit for W. Nieves - J. Damon grounded out to first, B. Abreu to third, J. Posada to second - M. Cabrera hit sacrifice fly to right, B. Abreu scored, J. Posada to third - D. Jeter flied out to deep center 1 runs, 1 hits, 0 errors LA Angels 4, NY Yankees 3 Top 9th: NY Yankees - J. Posada fouled out to third - H. Matsui doubled to deep center - M. Thornton relieved J. Garland - R. Cano walked - J. Phelps singled to right center, H. Matsui scored, R. Cano to third - B. Jenks relieved M. Thornton - M. Cairo ran for J. Phelps - M. Cabrera hit sacrifice fly to center, R. Cano scored - M. Cairo to second on fielder's indifference - J. Damon singled to second, M. Cairo scored on second baseman T. Iguchi's throwing error - D. Jeter grounded out to shortstop 3 runs, 3 hits, 1 errors NY Yankees 4, Chi White Sox 6 Bottom 9th: NY Yankees - J. Ellison in right field - J. Posada grounded out to first - R. Cano walked - M. Cabrera walked, R. Cano to second - J. Giambi hit for J. Phelps - J.J. Putz relieved B. Morrow - J. Giambi singled to right, R. Cano to third, M. Cabrera to second - M. Cairo ran for J. Giambi - J. Damon popped out to first - D. Jeter grounded out to shortstop 0 runs, 1 hits, 0 errors Seattle 15, NY Yankees 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 Bottom 9th: NY Yankees - J. Papelbon relieved H. Okajima - J. Giambi walked - R. Cano walked, J. Giambi to second - M. Cabrera hit for J. Phelps - M. Cabrera struck out swinging - J. Damon grounded out to second, J. Giambi to third, R. Cano to second - D. Jeter struck out looking 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors Boston 7, NY Yankees 3 Bottom 9th: NY Yankees - T. Murphy in right field - F. Rodriguez relieved J. Lackey - B. Abreu walked - J. Posada hit for D. Mientkiewicz - J. Posada singled to right, B. Abreu to second - J. Damon hit for W. Nieves - J. Damon grounded out to first, B. Abreu to third, J. Posada to second - M. Cabrera hit sacrifice fly to right, B. Abreu scored, J. Posada to third - D. Jeter flied out to deep center 1 runs, 1 hits, 0 errors LA Angels 4, NY Yankees 3 Top 9th: NY Yankees - J. Posada fouled out to third - H. Matsui doubled to deep center - M. Thornton relieved J. Garland - R. Cano walked - J. Phelps singled to right center, H. Matsui scored, R. Cano to third - B. Jenks relieved M. Thornton - M. Cairo ran for J. Phelps - M. Cabrera hit sacrifice fly to center, R. Cano scored - M. Cairo to second on fielder's indifference - J. Damon singled to second, M. Cairo scored on second baseman T. Iguchi's throwing error - D. Jeter grounded out to shortstop 3 runs, 3 hits, 1 errors NY Yankees 4, Chi White Sox 6 Bottom 9th: NY Yankees - J. Ellison in right field - J. Posada grounded out to first - R. Cano walked - M. Cabrera walked, R. Cano to second - J. Giambi hit for J. Phelps - J.J. Putz relieved B. Morrow - J. Giambi singled to right, R. Cano to third, M. Cabrera to second - M. Cairo ran for J. Giambi - J. Damon popped out to first - D. Jeter grounded out to shortstop 0 runs, 1 hits, 0 errors Seattle 15, NY Yankees 11 WoW! Four times! Incredible. It's baseball, if there were two more occaisions where he got a hit he's doing pretty damn good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 Bottom 9th: NY Yankees - J. Papelbon relieved H. Okajima - J. Giambi walked - R. Cano walked, J. Giambi to second - M. Cabrera hit for J. Phelps - M. Cabrera struck out swinging - J. Damon grounded out to second, J. Giambi to third, R. Cano to second - D. Jeter struck out looking 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors Boston 7, NY Yankees 3 Bottom 9th: NY Yankees - T. Murphy in right field - F. Rodriguez relieved J. Lackey - B. Abreu walked - J. Posada hit for D. Mientkiewicz - J. Posada singled to right, B. Abreu to second - J. Damon hit for W. Nieves - J. Damon grounded out to first, B. Abreu to third, J. Posada to second - M. Cabrera hit sacrifice fly to right, B. Abreu scored, J. Posada to third - D. Jeter flied out to deep center 1 runs, 1 hits, 0 errors LA Angels 4, NY Yankees 3 Top 9th: NY Yankees - J. Posada fouled out to third - H. Matsui doubled to deep center - M. Thornton relieved J. Garland - R. Cano walked - J. Phelps singled to right center, H. Matsui scored, R. Cano to third - B. Jenks relieved M. Thornton - M. Cairo ran for J. Phelps - M. Cabrera hit sacrifice fly to center, R. Cano scored - M. Cairo to second on fielder's indifference - J. Damon singled to second, M. Cairo scored on second baseman T. Iguchi's throwing error - D. Jeter grounded out to shortstop 3 runs, 3 hits, 1 errors NY Yankees 4, Chi White Sox 6 Bottom 9th: NY Yankees - J. Ellison in right field - J. Posada grounded out to first - R. Cano walked - M. Cabrera walked, R. Cano to second - J. Giambi hit for J. Phelps - J.J. Putz relieved B. Morrow - J. Giambi singled to right, R. Cano to third, M. Cabrera to second - M. Cairo ran for J. Giambi - J. Damon popped out to first - D. Jeter grounded out to shortstop 0 runs, 1 hits, 0 errors Seattle 15, NY Yankees 11 What a stupid argument. Jeter has an 875 OPS and he's hitting close to 340. Picking out 4 AB's proves nothing. What about all the hits he gets EARLIER in the game that won games for them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 Yeah, he's only hitting .425 with RISP and 2 outs. It's 425 with RISP period, not just 2 outs. He's hitting 514 with RISP and 2 outs. He's also hitting 360 in the 9th inning this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 WoW! Four times! Incredible. It's baseball, if there were two more occaisions where he got a hit he's doing pretty damn good. It is actually five times. I didn't post the play by play for Saturday's game. There were also 4 or 5 other times when Jeter made critical ninth inning outs in close games, but he was not the final out. My point is that it's insane to refer to Jeter as Captain Clutch while at the same time bashing A-Rod for his supposed lack of clutchness. ARod is the one that has all the walk-off shots this season. Jeter is the one with all the rally killing, game ending ground-outs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 What a stupid argument. Jeter has an 875 OPS and he's hitting close to 340. Picking out 4 AB's proves nothing. What about all the hits he gets EARLIER in the game that won games for them? Barton said that he only recalled this happening once this season. It has happened five times. That is slightly more than once, and THAT is the argument. If your majesty feels that the argument is stupid, then take it up with your fellow Yank fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 Bottom 9th: NY Yankees - J. Papelbon relieved H. Okajima - J. Giambi walked - R. Cano walked, J. Giambi to second - M. Cabrera hit for J. Phelps - M. Cabrera struck out swinging - J. Damon grounded out to second, J. Giambi to third, R. Cano to second - D. Jeter struck out looking 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors Boston 7, NY Yankees 3 Bottom 9th: NY Yankees - T. Murphy in right field - F. Rodriguez relieved J. Lackey - B. Abreu walked - J. Posada hit for D. Mientkiewicz - J. Posada singled to right, B. Abreu to second - J. Damon hit for W. Nieves - J. Damon grounded out to first, B. Abreu to third, J. Posada to second - M. Cabrera hit sacrifice fly to right, B. Abreu scored, J. Posada to third - D. Jeter flied out to deep center 1 runs, 1 hits, 0 errors LA Angels 4, NY Yankees 3 Top 9th: NY Yankees - J. Posada fouled out to third - H. Matsui doubled to deep center - M. Thornton relieved J. Garland - R. Cano walked - J. Phelps singled to right center, H. Matsui scored, R. Cano to third - B. Jenks relieved M. Thornton - M. Cairo ran for J. Phelps - M. Cabrera hit sacrifice fly to center, R. Cano scored - M. Cairo to second on fielder's indifference - J. Damon singled to second, M. Cairo scored on second baseman T. Iguchi's throwing error - D. Jeter grounded out to shortstop 3 runs, 3 hits, 1 errors NY Yankees 4, Chi White Sox 6 Bottom 9th: NY Yankees - J. Ellison in right field - J. Posada grounded out to first - R. Cano walked - M. Cabrera walked, R. Cano to second - J. Giambi hit for J. Phelps - J.J. Putz relieved B. Morrow - J. Giambi singled to right, R. Cano to third, M. Cabrera to second - M. Cairo ran for J. Giambi - J. Damon popped out to first - D. Jeter grounded out to shortstop 0 runs, 1 hits, 0 errors Seattle 15, NY Yankees 11 Dude, weak. Jeters #'s with risp speak for themselves. He's having an incredible season all around. 4 measely at bats, and only 1 of them where he didnt get the tying run in. Half of these at bats Jeter wasnt even the tying run at the plate. Jeter is hitting .528 with RISP and 2 outs. He's hitting .432 with RISP. He's hitting .371 with runners on base. Close and late he's hitting .298 with a .389 OBP. He's hitting .571 with the bases loaded. He's hitting .510 with men on and 2 outs. The guy is clutch. Get over the hate, just accept the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 Barton said that he only recalled this happening once this season. It has happened five times. That is slightly more than once, and THAT is the argument. If your majesty feels that the argument is stupid, then take it up with your fellow Yank fan. It did only happen once. Those other 3 times even if Jeter had gotten a hit, it would not have tied the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 It did only happen once. Those other 3 times even if Jeter had gotten a hit, it would not have tied the game. Is that so? Bottom 9th: NY Yankees - T. Murphy in right field - F. Rodriguez relieved J. Lackey - B. Abreu walked - J. Posada hit for D. Mientkiewicz - J. Posada singled to right, B. Abreu to second - J. Damon hit for W. Nieves - J. Damon grounded out to first, B. Abreu to third, J. Posada to second - M. Cabrera hit sacrifice fly to right, B. Abreu scored, J. Posada to third - D. Jeter flied out to deep center 1 runs, 1 hits, 0 errors LA Angels 4, NY Yankees 3 Tying run on third, two outs. Jeter flies out. Top 9th: NY Yankees - J. Posada fouled out to third - H. Matsui doubled to deep center - M. Thornton relieved J. Garland - R. Cano walked - J. Phelps singled to right center, H. Matsui scored, R. Cano to third - B. Jenks relieved M. Thornton - M. Cairo ran for J. Phelps - M. Cabrera hit sacrifice fly to center, R. Cano scored - M. Cairo to second on fielder's indifference - J. Damon singled to second, M. Cairo scored on second baseman T. Iguchi's throwing error - D. Jeter grounded out to shortstop 3 runs, 3 hits, 1 errors NY Yankees 4, Chi White Sox 6 Jeter represents tying run. Grounds out. Bottom 9th: NY Yankees - J. Ellison in right field - J. Posada grounded out to first - R. Cano walked - M. Cabrera walked, R. Cano to second - J. Giambi hit for J. Phelps - J.J. Putz relieved B. Morrow - J. Giambi singled to right, R. Cano to third, M. Cabrera to second - M. Cairo ran for J. Giambi - J. Damon popped out to first - D. Jeter grounded out to shortstop 0 runs, 1 hits, 0 errors Seattle 15, NY Yankees 11 Jeter represents tying run. Grounds out. The only instance I cited in which Jeter wasn't either the tying or go ahead run was the Boston game. And they were down 4 with 2 men on base for Jeter. I think that would qualify as a "clutch" situation. My original question was how many game winning, 9th inning or later hits does Derek Jeter have this season. No one has answered it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 Is that so? Bottom 9th: NY Yankees - T. Murphy in right field - F. Rodriguez relieved J. Lackey - B. Abreu walked - J. Posada hit for D. Mientkiewicz - J. Posada singled to right, B. Abreu to second - J. Damon hit for W. Nieves - J. Damon grounded out to first, B. Abreu to third, J. Posada to second - M. Cabrera hit sacrifice fly to right, B. Abreu scored, J. Posada to third - D. Jeter flied out to deep center 1 runs, 1 hits, 0 errors LA Angels 4, NY Yankees 3 Tying run on third, two outs. Jeter flies out. Top 9th: NY Yankees - J. Posada fouled out to third - H. Matsui doubled to deep center - M. Thornton relieved J. Garland - R. Cano walked - J. Phelps singled to right center, H. Matsui scored, R. Cano to third - B. Jenks relieved M. Thornton - M. Cairo ran for J. Phelps - M. Cabrera hit sacrifice fly to center, R. Cano scored - M. Cairo to second on fielder's indifference - J. Damon singled to second, M. Cairo scored on second baseman T. Iguchi's throwing error - D. Jeter grounded out to shortstop 3 runs, 3 hits, 1 errors NY Yankees 4, Chi White Sox 6 Jeter represents tying run. Grounds out. Bottom 9th: NY Yankees - J. Ellison in right field - J. Posada grounded out to first - R. Cano walked - M. Cabrera walked, R. Cano to second - J. Giambi hit for J. Phelps - J.J. Putz relieved B. Morrow - J. Giambi singled to right, R. Cano to third, M. Cabrera to second - M. Cairo ran for J. Giambi - J. Damon popped out to first - D. Jeter grounded out to shortstop 0 runs, 1 hits, 0 errors Seattle 15, NY Yankees 11 Jeter represents tying run. Grounds out. The only instance I cited in which Jeter wasn't either the tying or go ahead run was the Boston game. And they were down 4 with 2 men on base for Jeter. I think that would qualify as a "clutch" situation. My original question was how many game winning, 9th inning or later hits does Derek Jeter have this season. No one has answered it yet. Considering he's hitting .360 in the 9th inning this year, he probably has a few. Dude, cmon. You're pointing out 4 stinkin at bats in 84 games. Arod has been unreal in the 9th inning this year. He's finally showed up and has been clutch. Obviously I'm not gonna take anything away from him. He's been AMAZING, even better than Jeter in the 9th inning. Arod needs to do it in october. He needs to win a world series to be a true Yankee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 Considering he's hitting .360 in the 9th inning this year, he probably has a few. Dude, cmon. You're pointing out 4 stinkin at bats in 84 games. Arod has been unreal in the 9th inning this year. He's finally showed up and has been clutch. Obviously I'm not gonna take anything away from him. He's been AMAZING, even better than Jeter in the 9th inning. Arod needs to do it in october. He needs to win a world series to be a true Yankee. Ah, the "true Yankee" cliche. Tell me something: do other teams have "true" players? Are there true Red Sox and true Tigers and true Pirates and true Phillies? Do you have to win a championship to be "true"? If the Cubs ever win the World Series, does that mean that Ernie Banks wasn't a "true" Cub? Or is it the other way around for us? The 25 men that bring the Cubbies a championship will not be "true" Cubs because they failed to uphold our rich history of sucking? BTW, if you use championships to define "true Yankees", then that makes Wade Boggs a true Yankee and Don Mattingly an untrue one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 Ah, the "true Yankee" cliche. Tell me something: do other teams have "true" players? Are there true Red Sox and true Tigers and true Pirates and true Phillies? Do you have to win a championship to be "true"? If the Cubs ever win the World Series, does that mean that Ernie Banks wasn't a "true" Cub? Or is it the other way around for us? The 25 men that bring the Cubbies a championship will not be "true" Cubs because they failed to uphold our rich history of sucking? BTW, if you use championships to define "true Yankees", then that makes Wade Boggs a true Yankee and Don Mattingly an untrue one. The only real arguement for pay-rod should be his playoff numbers. If the yanks sneak into the wild card, as i expect they will, you'll see pay-rod come crashing down to earth. If you like winning regular season games with his late inning heroics then you should be happy with him. Trying to get another title? Might want to drop the bum and pick up some guys with heart, as they used to have in the mid 90's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 The only real arguement for pay-rod should be his playoff numbers. If the yanks sneak into the wild card, as i expect they will, you'll see pay-rod come crashing down to earth. If you like winning regular season games with his late inning heroics then you should be happy with him. Trying to get another title? Might want to drop the bum and pick up some guys with heart, as they used to have in the mid 90's. The bum with no heart that you dump isn't the guy that is winning you regular season games. This bunch of bums wouldn't be sniffing .500 without A-Rod and they'd probably be 20+ games out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 The bum with no heart that you dump isn't the guy that is winning you regular season games. This bunch of bums wouldn't be sniffing .500 without A-Rod and they'd probably be 20+ games out. 'eh, it might look like that on paper, but the yankees so good when they had a group of players hitting near 300, rather than having a few guys hitting 320. They yanks have gotten away from what worked for them in the 90's. Without Pay-rod, they'd be better off, no doubt in my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 There hasn't been a "true" pirates team for 15 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 'eh, it might look like that on paper, but the yankees so good when they had a group of players hitting near 300, rather than having a few guys hitting 320. They yanks have gotten away from what worked for them in the 90's. Without Pay-rod, they'd be better off, no doubt in my mind. LOL.....maybe Torre should call Jete and Jorge in the office during the break and tell them to knock it off with the .330+ batting average nonsense. 96-2000 was just a group that clicked.....it's not a simple thing to duplicate which is why that run was so special and it made heroes in some cases out of otherwise slightly above average ball players. Gene Michael was in the YES booth earlier this season and stated that the blueprint back then was " we took more pitches than any team in baseball, had the oppossing teams starter done by the 6th inning due to pitch count and our own pen was game over after 6 or 7 innings". I think what gets lost in comparing this team to that group is just how good the bullpen was. The team also had multiple leaders on it. Lots of times I heard players speaking in retrospect say that you didn't wanna have to walk past O'Neil or Tino if you failed to move a runner etc when the situation called for it. That's why the Angels with FAR LESS talent have continually given the Yanks fits. They along with the Twins are the closest thing to the 96-00 Yanks minus the starting pitching and multiple rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 LOL.....maybe Torre should call Jete and Jorge in the office during the break and tell them to knock it off with the .330+ batting average nonsense. 96-2000 was just a group that clicked.....it's not a simple thing to duplicate which is why that run was so special and it made heroes in some cases out of otherwise slightly above average ball players. Gene Michael was in the YES booth earlier this season and stated that the blueprint back then was " we took more pitches than any team in baseball, had the oppossing teams starter done by the 6th inning due to pitch count and our own pen was game over after 6 or 7 innings". I think what gets lost in comparing this team to that group is just how good the bullpen was. The team also had multiple leaders on it. Lots of times I heard players speaking in retrospect say that you didn't wanna have to walk past O'Neil or Tino if you failed to move a runner etc when the situation called for it. That's why the Angels with FAR LESS talent have continually given the Yanks fits. They along with the Twins are the closest thing to the 96-00 Yanks minus the starting pitching and multiple rings. Abreu was a HUGE part of that mentality last year and his fall of the face of the earth has KILLED the yankees this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 LOL.....maybe Torre should call Jete and Jorge in the office during the break and tell them to knock it off with the .330+ batting average nonsense. 96-2000 was just a group that clicked.....it's not a simple thing to duplicate which is why that run was so special and it made heroes in some cases out of otherwise slightly above average ball players. Gene Michael was in the YES booth earlier this season and stated that the blueprint back then was " we took more pitches than any team in baseball, had the oppossing teams starter done by the 6th inning due to pitch count and our own pen was game over after 6 or 7 innings". I think what gets lost in comparing this team to that group is just how good the bullpen was. The team also had multiple leaders on it. Lots of times I heard players speaking in retrospect say that you didn't wanna have to walk past O'Neil or Tino if you failed to move a runner etc when the situation called for it. That's why the Angels with FAR LESS talent have continually given the Yanks fits. They along with the Twins are the closest thing to the 96-00 Yanks minus the starting pitching and multiple rings. Good post. I dont' mean to knock the high averages of the few that have them on the Yanks, clearly that is what you are looking for. I realize it is hard to duplicate their old blueprint for success, but not impossible. The yankees could find any number of guys that fill that Tino/O'neil bill. Look at guys like David Eckstein, i realize he is not a 5 tool player, but he brings that same mantality to the game. If you field guys like him next to the Jeter's, and the posada's that the yanks already have, you would be back to the old format. With all the money they have blown on the "has-been" crowd, they could have purchased any number of solid middle relievers, to the point of making it their strength as it had been in the past. When i look at the yankees i see one of the most poorly run organization of any sport in recent memory. If you give GM's like Kraft from NE this type of capability (no salary cap) you'd see a club with 7 of the last 9 titles. I used to be a yankee fan when they had donny baseball, all the way up until they signed Giambi, then A-rod, and i had to stop watching. I have recently started watching again since the twins and brewers are back to respectability, but when they aren't, its no fun watching the yankees steam roll smaller clubs just because they have $. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 Abreu was a HUGE part of that mentality last year and his fall of the face of the earth has KILLED the yankees this year. Abreu hasn't "fallen off the face of the Earth". All that you are seeing is a player that has continued a decline that was started in Philadelphia. You saw a bit of a spurt after he was traded, but you are seeing the same player that was seen in Philly at the end of his tenure. he just does not walk as much. The power numbers had been in decline pre-trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 Abreu hasn't "fallen off the face of the Earth". All that you are seeing is a player that has continued a decline that was started in Philadelphia. You saw a bit of a spurt after he was traded, but you are seeing the same player that was seen in Philly at the end of his tenure. he just does not walk as much. The power numbers had been in decline pre-trade. Correct. Since the 05 HR derby to be exact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 Abreu hasn't "fallen off the face of the Earth". All that you are seeing is a player that has continued a decline that was started in Philadelphia. You saw a bit of a spurt after he was traded, but you are seeing the same player that was seen in Philly at the end of his tenure. he just does not walk as much. The power numbers had been in decline pre-trade. LOL @ continued decline. His OPS the last 4 years: 877 972 879 886 All WELL within this career variations. Walks the last 4 years 109 127 117 124 He walked MORE in the last four years than he did earlier in his career. Nice try... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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