Lil Bit Special Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 What one high priced player could each team have done without this year, and what would have been better uses of the money? Moises Alou. 'Nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 I will go out on a limb and say that 99% of the people who post in this forum will back me up when I say that you talk up the Yankees and the prospects in the minors over any Red Sox or any other player in MLB. Okajima: He doesn't deserve to make the All-Star Team. Ellsbury: Overrated. Lowell: He sucks in the 2nd half. Varitek: Not one of the best catchers in the game. I could go on and on. in agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 I give my honest opinion of every player no matter what team they play for. I could say more here but I'll bite my tongue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 I will go out on a limb and say that 99% of the people who post in this forum will back me up when I say that you talk up the Yankees and the prospects in the minors over any Red Sox or any other player in MLB. Okajima: He doesn't deserve to make the All-Star Team. Ellsbury: Overrated. Lowell: He sucks in the 2nd half. Varitek: Not one of the best catchers in the game. I could go on and on. Don't forget Beckett sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaborJet Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 You're not allowed to comment on the Sox anymore. You've been converted. Thor - please elaborate. Yanks- Johnny Damon ,Carl Pavano ,Jaret Wirght Mets - Delgado , Pedro Martinez Are we still paying for Wright? Good Lord! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 I will go out on a limb and say that 99% of the people who post in this forum will back me up when I say that you talk up the Yankees and the prospects in the minors over any Red Sox or any other player in MLB. Okajima: He doesn't deserve to make the All-Star Team. Ellsbury: Overrated. Lowell: He sucks in the 2nd half. Varitek: Not one of the best catchers in the game. I could go on and on. The all star team stuff was an Okajima vs Neshek argument. Ellisbury IS overred. Lowell DOES suck in the 2nd half just look at his splits. Varitek isn't CLOSE to one of the best catchers in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 The all star team stuff was an Okajima vs Neshek argument. Ellisbury IS overred. Lowell DOES suck in the 2nd half just look at his splits. Varitek isn't CLOSE to one of the best catchers in the game. It gets hard to decipher which team is in 1st, and which is in 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 It gets hard to decipher which team is in 1st, and which is in 2nd.Yeah. Because if you are in first place your team must be PERFECT and if you are in 2nd place your team must be complete crap... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted July 13, 2007 Author Share Posted July 13, 2007 It gets hard to decipher which team is in 1st, and which is in 2nd. silly scott,,its not about the standings or record,, its about the stats, splits, etc,, come on , hasnt mike taught you anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 It gets hard to decipher which team is in 1st, and which is in 2nd. Well then its settled. Real solid arguement, scott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Well then its settled. Real solid arguement, scott. It was hardly an argument, but more a quip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 It was hardly an argument, but more a quip. Only it was completely irrelevant to the discussion madmike was having with gainzo, but w/e. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Only it was completely irrelevant to the discussion madmike was having with gainzo, but w/e. Why would you expect anything of higher quality than that from the poster in question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Why would you expect anything of higher quality than that from the poster in question? Mirrors are obviously scarce in your world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Mirrors are obviously scarce in your world. I'm not the one who hijacks threads with moronic comments that have NOTHING to do with the discussion going on inside the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Thor - please elaborate. No. I'll take it to my grave. Which might be next week. I'm not feeling so well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 The all star team stuff was an Okajima vs Neshek argument. Ellisbury IS overred. Lowell DOES suck in the 2nd half just look at his splits. Varitek isn't CLOSE to one of the best catchers in the game. Then just admit that Okajima and Neshek deserved to go to the ASG. How is Ellsbury overrated? I've never seen anyone say he's going to be a superstar, just that he'll be a solid CF. While Lowell doesn't necessarily suck, he sure does have a downturn in the 2nd half. Saying that Varitek isn't close to being one of the best catchers in the game is where you show your blind homer hand, Mike. He is clearly one of the best defensive catchers, and his handling of a staff is second to none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Then just admit that Okajima and Neshek deserved to go to the ASG. How is Ellsbury overrated? I've never seen anyone say he's going to be a superstar, just that he'll be a solid CF. While Lowell doesn't necessarily suck, he sure does have a downturn in the 2nd half. Saying that Varitek isn't close to being one of the best catchers in the game is where you show your blind homer hand, Mike. He is clearly one of the best defensive catchers, and his handling of a staff is second to none. The vote was for ONE OR THE OTHER, not both. Ellisburry is overrated because he's appeared in the top 20 of some prospect lists and thats insane. Lowell has collapsed in the 2nd half the last 3 years. Varitek is HORRIBLE at throwing out runners and his bat is in a steep decline. As far as handling a pitching staff there is no proof that such a skill exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 The vote was for ONE OR THE OTHER, not both. Ellisburry is overrated because he's appeared in the top 20 of some prospect lists and thats insane. Lowell has collapsed in the 2nd half the last 3 years. Varitek is HORRIBLE at throwing out runners and his bat is in a steep decline. As far as handling a pitching staff there is no proof that such a skill exists. Beckets stats with and without Varitek is some evidence as we tried to tell you last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Beckets stats with and without Varitek is some evidence as we tried to tell you last year. Beckett was crap last year no matter who caught him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Varitek is HORRIBLE at throwing out runners and his bat is in a steep decline. As far as handling a pitching staff there is no proof that such a skill exists. Did you happen to notice last season that when Varitek went down with injury so did the Red Sox? All of the pitchers who have played with Varitek say he is the best game manager they have ever played with. Remember when Schilling lost his no-hitter this year? He waved off Varitek and proceeded to give up a base hit with 2-outs in the 9th! Schilling said afterwards that he should have thrown the pitch that Varitek wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Did you happen to notice last season that when Varitek went down with injury so did the Red Sox? All of the pitchers who have played with Varitek say he is the best game manager they have ever played with. Remember when Schilling lost his no-hitter this year? He waved off Varitek and proceeded to give up a base hit with 2-outs in the 9th! Schilling said afterwards that he should have thrown the pitch that Varitek wanted. People a lot smarter than you or I have done EXTENSIVE studies of pitchers pitching to different catchers and there is no proof that such a skill exists over any kind of time period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 People a lot of smarter than you or I have done EXTENSIVE studies of pitchers pitching to different catchers and there is no proof that such a skill exists over any kind of time period. Someone alot smarter than you replied to your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Someone alot smarter than you replied to your post. You're not supposed to say you're smart... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 You're not supposed to say you're smart... My momma taught me to always tell the truth. Besides, I didn't say I was smart. I said I was smarter than you. That's not really saying much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Scott Dierking Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 People a lot smarter than you or I have done EXTENSIVE studies of pitchers pitching to different catchers and there is no proof that such a skill exists over any kind of time period. That is such a ridiculous statement. There is absolute proof that some catchers call abetter game than others. Watch the friggin' game. You can see them. Why do you think Greg Maddux never allowed Javy Lopez to catch his games? Some catchers think through teh game better. Sames as any other position, but magnified more. There are some trends with some catchers: -Some carry their last at bat to the position with them -Some, in tight situations, call for pitches that THEY have a hard time hitting. -Some, afraid of baserunners going on them call for mainly fastballs with runners on base. The nuances are greater than any of us can imagine. Why do you think some scouts call Yadier Molina a franchise player? It is not because of his hitting. To insist that catchers don't affect games by how they call the game, and that makes a differnce is naive thinking to the worst degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 That is such a ridiculous statement. There is absolute proof that some catchers call abetter game than others. Watch the friggin' game. You can see them. Why do you think Greg Maddux never allowed Javy Lopez to catch his games? Some catchers think through teh game better. Sames as any other position, but magnified more. There are some trends with some catchers: -Some carry their last at bat to the position with them -Some, in tight situations, call for pitches that THEY have a hard time hitting. -Some, afraid of baserunners going on them call for mainly fastballs with runners on base. The nuances are greater than any of us can imagine. Why do you think some scouts call Yadier Molina a franchise player? It is not because of his hitting. To insist that catchers don't affect games by how they call the game, and that makes a differnce is naive thinking to the worst degree. See only idiots like you think that by watching games they can find out things like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 My momma taught me to always tell the truth. Besides, I didn't say I was smart. I said I was smarter than you. That's not really saying much. If you are so smart why are you a late 30's old timer with nothing better to do than to post on a message board all day? Pathetic. At least when i post it's usually from a classroom where I'm doing something with my life... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 See only idiots like you think that by watching games they can find out things like this. The game is more than just numbers, Mike. You know that. Stop being so thickheaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 The game is more than just numbers, Mike. You know that. Stop being so thickheaded. Or numbers can help open minded people see that these old baseball myths really don't have any value... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 See only idiots like you think that by watching games they can find out things like this. Why does Mussina have Nieves catch when he pitches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 See only idiots like you think that by watching games they can find out things like this. I guess if someone makes a point you cant refute, you revert to personal attacks. Nice baseball talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Or numbers can help open minded people see that these old baseball myths really don't have any value... Or, numbers create even BIGGER myths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Why does Mussina have Nieves catch when he pitches? Because torre is stupid, posada needs a rest or the yankees punted a roster spot. It's usually one of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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