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Better NY First Baseman Of The 1980's

Maxman

By Maxman
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Who was the better all around player?  

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  1. 1. Who was the better all around player?

    • Don Mattingly
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    • Keith Hernandez
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I had this debate a million times as a teenager. (PS the correct answer is Donnie Baseball)

Same here, Max ... had that debate a million times, and I always thought it was the craziest debate in the history of baseball

Before Mattingly hurt his back {which is when Met fans had the audacity to argue otherwise}, Keith Hernandez was not even a pimple on his fanny

Don Mattingly, PRE BACK INJURY, was reminding the old-timers of Stan Musial

That's the Guy he was most being compared with, by old-time baseball men, and who the heck {other than dilusional Met fans} ever compared Keith Hernandez with an All-Time Great like Stan the Man?

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If you're talking about his entire career it's Keith easily. How many parades was Donny Baseball in? Wasn't him I saw on Broadway.

Mattingly did everything he could do to help his team win a Championship. Keith won it all but he did drugs...and gave the Cards a bad name.

Here is why Donnie Baseball was better:

    Mattingly's lifetime average is over .300. Keith's is not.

    The power #'s aren't even close. 60 more homers for Donnie...both great double hitters though

    Same amount of career hits, Mattingly played 3 less seasons.

    Keith only drove in 100 runs 1 time.

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Mattingly did everything he could do to help his team win a Championship. Keith won it all but he did drugs...and gave the Cards a bad name.

Here is why Donnie Baseball was better:

    Mattingly's lifetime average is over .300. Keith's is not.

    The power #'s aren't even close. 60 more homers for Donnie...both great double hitters though

    Same amount of career hits, Mattingly played 3 less seasons.

    Keith only drove in 100 runs 1 time.

Checkmate!

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shouldnt there be a choice of "C" for "Who gives a rat's a$$"

Lets keep it fair and balanced like Fox News.

You can make me a moderator any time now

There is a choice C. It is called not replying.

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Hmmm...kinda like when I asked you Yankee fans not to reply (read: pollute) my "Boston Fans that are Killing Me" thread? Turn about if fair play.

The hypocrisy of some of the mods (read: Max and Smizzy) on this board is nothing short of astounding!

I make it a habit to not read threads you started. You should be happy though, the less I read of yours the better the odds of you not getting banned.

So you will have to explain to me, why am I a hypocrite?

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Mattingly did everything he could do to help his team win a Championship. Keith won it all but he did drugs...and gave the Cards a bad name.

Here is why Donnie Baseball was better:

    Mattingly's lifetime average is over .300. Keith's is not.

    The power #'s aren't even close. 60 more homers for Donnie...both great double hitters though

    Same amount of career hits, Mattingly played 3 less seasons.

    Keith only drove in 100 runs 1 time.

There's never been any question that Don's offensive stats were more impressive. Defense is half the game though and Keith was a coordinator out in the field and in the clubhouse.
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I hate to say this, but I liked Don Mattingly.

Dude could ball. He is by far the best 1B in NY. Keith Hernandez and his pornstache pales to Mattingly. Mattingly hit for average, power and was Gold Glove like every year.

No contest.

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Put Donnie on the 86 Mets, and you would have the same results.

Put Keith on those Yankee teams and you would have different results. Keith was like having a pitching coach on the field. There are some things that don't come through in the stats.
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No contest.

No way is it "no contest".

Hernandez was clutch in every phase of the game. He was the ultimate leader that you just don't see anymore, at least if you're a Met fan. He had his golden years with us but was at his best in the four or five years before he was a Met. People forget that he could run as a younger player. He was usually good for around 10-15 bags.

11 Gold Gloves + an MVP and titles with two organizations.

Mattingly never won a title and played his whole career with the Yankees. It's not like he's Ernie Banks stuck in Chicago. He was the leader of talented teams that consistently fell short. You can deflect and say that he was a championship player on a string of good but not great teams, but some of the criticism has to stick. As a Mets fan, I cannot see a Hernandez-led team doing that. All our Hernandez/Carter teams were intense teams that competed. For Yankee fans, look at O'Neil. Sure the stats don't blow you away, but the player does.

Hernandez also played in the 70's and 80's in the NL versus the 80's and 90's in the AL. Those factors alone will impact the stats if you want to look at just the stats, which Donnie supporters must do. Mattingly hit between Hendu and Winfield in his mega years and that certainly would help anyone

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Meddle...I rememember your baseball savvy from back in the day. So I knew this one was out there. :lol:

When I started this thread I looked at the stats myself (I actually prepare for this stuff). And the first thing that jumped out at me was the different years that these guys played.

They obviously overlapped but Keith started earlier and you are right. The game changed in that time. Mattingly finished in a time that saw more runs scored. And that is a factor.

The bottom line is that these guys are probably a lot closer to being the same player then Met or Yankee fans will ever admit to!

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Mattingly got stuck on Yankee teams that never had pitching, or worse, traded it away-Drabek, Leiter, Tewkbury were all dealt away for nothing much. Or they'd sign the likes of Steve Trout and John Montefusco. What ever the reason, they didn't understand pitching's importance for all of the 1980s and didn't until Gene Michael took over.

Both good-but not HoF-players.

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Mattingly got stuck on Yankee teams that never had pitching, or worse, traded it away-Drabek, Leiter, Tewkbury were all dealt away for nothing much. Or they'd sign the likes of Steve Trout and John Montefusco. What ever the reason, they didn't understand pitching's importance for all of the 1980s and didn't until Gene Michael took over.

Both good-but not HoF-players.

Drabek hurt real bad. He had a decent rookie season. ERA of just over 4 which people would kill for now.

I am trying to remember who they got back for him. I fear it was Joe Niekro. Oh my. Also Jim Deshaises hurt.

And that damn collusion and not signing Jack Morris. With Morris they would have won at least twice!!!

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Joe Neikro and Phil Niekro both Yankees?....I don't remember that, but I'll defer to you on Yankee trivia :lol:

It's kind of hard to believe the Giants 1B Lance Niekro (son of Joe) is a pretty good power-hitting prospect :shock:

Did you know Joe Niekro's only career HR came off his brother Phil Niekro--saw that on ESPN (talk about dum trivia).

Phil Niekro had 7 career HR's, including one at the age 43.

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Joe Neikro and Phil Niekro both Yankees?....I don't remember that, but I'll defer to you on Yankee trivia :lol:

Yes they played at the same time. Mid 80's.

Actually now that I think about it Jim Deshaies (spelling) was traded for Joe Neikro.

Doug Drabek was traded for Rick Rhoden.

Both were terrible trades for the Yankees!

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