CrazyCarl40 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Accorsing to Ken Rosenthal, pending the waive of his no-trade clause. http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7072074 The Red Sox are on the verge of winning the Eric Gagne sweepstakes, pending his approval and a review of his medical records, according to major-league sources. Gagne must waive his no-trade clause to Boston for the deal to be completed. It is possible the Red Sox will allow him to share the closer's role with Jonathan Papelbon. The Rangers had discussed trading Gagne to the Mets, Yankees and Brewers. He could have been sent to each of those teams without his permission. Gagne could reject the deal because of his desire to remain a closer with the Rangers rather than share the role with Papelbon or become his setup man. The Red Sox also could attempt to persuade him to waive his no-trade protection by guaranteeing all or part of his remaining $3.65 million in potential bonuses for games finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 It would surprise me to see Gagne be a set up guy to Papelbon. It wouldnt sit right with me if I was Gagne. The only closer I would set up for if I was him would be Rivera. Yankees cant let this happen either. This would be bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 That would hurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 If this happens it will not be good at all. We really need a guy like Gagne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 The Sox really don't need any bullpen help, but another good arm can't hurt. I wonder if this is more of a move to keep him away from the Yanks? He's pitched 48 innings in the last 3 years. Hope the Sox didn't have to give up too much for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 The Sox really don't need any bullpen help, but another good arm can't hurt. I wonder if this is more of a move to keep him away from the Yanks? He's pitched 48 innings in the last 3 years. Hope the Sox didn't have to give up too much for him. Of course it is. It always is with these two teams. With a trio of Okajima, Gagne and Papelbon the Red Sox would have the best 7th, 8th and 9th bullpen in the league AND would be keeping him away from the Bronx. The Red Sox or Yankees always make a trade or sign a guy for 2 reasons. 1. To improve their club and 2. To sign away what the other team wants / needs more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowJet35 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Of course it is. It always is with these two teams. With a trio of Okajima, Gagne and Papelbon the Red Sox would have the best 7th, 8th and 9th bullpen in the league AND would be keeping him away from the Bronx. The Red Sox or Yankees always make a trade or sign a guy for 2 reasons. 1. To improve their club and 2. To sign away what the other team wants / needs more So who's out there for the Yanks? With Dotel seemingly gone to the Braves, is there a bullpen guy available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Word is, the deal is Gagne for K. Gabbard and David Murphy. If true, that's an absolute steal. Kason, thanks for pitching above your head for a couple of weeks. I appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaborJet Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 So who's out there for the Yanks? With Dotel seemingly gone to the Braves, is there a bullpen guy available? I wouldn't mind seeing Kartstens going to the pen, and Hughes taking over at #5 in the rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 I wouldn't mind seeing Kartstens going to the pen, and Hughes taking over at #5 in the rotation. I think Hughes is the #5 this w/end. Great deal for Sox if it goes through.......basically turns a post season game into a 6 inning game like the 90's Yankee teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Looks like the Yanks and Mets are out as per ESPN MARKET REPORT The Gagne sweepstakes was down to the Red Sox and Brewers by Tuesday afternoon. The Yankees and Mets signaled that by turning their attention to other deals, according to executives from multiple teams. So that left one team (Boston) that wasn't on Gagne's list of approved teams he could be traded to and a second team (Milwaukee) that could. So the Red Sox were working not just to find a player package Texas would accept, but also for ways to rework Gagne's contract so that he would approve the deal. Satisfying Texas was no small challenge, though. They continue to ask for every team's best prospects. So the Red Sox's willingness to include center fielder David Murphy and the Brewers' willingness to deal outfielder Tony Gwynn Jr. wouldn't be enough. Texas asked the Yankees for primo pitching prospects Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlain. The Mets said no on any of their young outfieldes -- Carlos Gomez, Fernando Martinez and Lastings Milledge. And the same hang-up exists with the Red Sox, who have no interest in even carrying on a conversation that involves Clay Buchholz or Jacoby Ellsbury. The Rangers were trying to convince those clubs they were willing to hang onto Gagne and either sign him to an extension (doubtful) or take two draft picks as compensation. But it's far from a sure thing Gagne would be a Type A free agent that would result in two high picks. So this looks like a furious negotiation to the finish -- with three teams and Gagne's omnipresent agent, Scott Boras. I don't know what the Sox are giving up for Gagne but the Rangers must be on crack if they think the Yanks are giving up both Hughes and Chamberlain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaborJet Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 I think Hughes is the #5 this w/end. Great deal for Sox if it goes through.......basically turns a post season game into a 6 inning game like the 90's Yankee teams. That would be sweet, since I'll be there Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Time to call up Chamberlin if the Yankees don't aquire someone in an hour and a half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted July 31, 2007 Author Share Posted July 31, 2007 With Donnelly an unknown commodity at this point and Timlin tired and sore again, it's just as much a move to use him as it is to keep him away from the Yankees. And it carely cost us anything. It does also, depending on how he holds up, give us the option of bringing him back for a couple seasons and transition Paps back to the pen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 As Bugg would say Let's throw the kids to the fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 As Bugg would say Let's throw the kids to the fire I think it was Jeffrey Dahmers who said that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Nice one...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Kason Gabbard is absolute garbage, and David Murphy has little to no value. Rangers GM is a moron, so this deal wouldnt shock me on his part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Yet they want Chamberlain and Hughes from us What about DiSalvo and Thompson...that is similar to what the Sawx gave up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsMan57 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 The Yankees were not winning hte division anyway this year. The WC is the only route, so we'll worry about Gagne in the ALCS... if we get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Yet they want Chamberlain and Hughes from us What about DiSalvo and Thompson...that is similar to what the Sawx gave up Teams are in collusion vs the yankees quite often in trades. We saw it clear as day when the dbacks wanted both nick johnson and alfonso soriano for curt schilling, we said no, then they settled for a COMPLETE PILE OF SH#T THATS AMOUNTED TO NOTHING from boston, for curt schilling. I'm now reading the rangers wanted one of Ian Kennedy, Melky Cabrera or Alan Horne for Gagne. Thats 2 upper tier pitching prospects and a 22 yr old switch hitting CFer with a great arm and defense who already knows how to hit in the big leagues, yet they settle for a 4th OF type in Murphy and a completely worthless piece of garbage career minor leaguer in kason gabbard, a matt desalvo type An absolute joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Teams are in collusion vs the yankees quite often in trades. We saw it clear as day when the dbacks wanted both nick johnson and alfonso soriano for curt schilling, we said no, then they settled for a COMPLETE PILE OF SH#T THATS AMOUNTED TO NOTHING from boston, for curt schilling. I'm now reading the rangers wanted one of Ian Kennedy, Melky Cabrera or Alan Horne for Gagne. Thats 2 upper tier pitching prospects and a 22 yr old switch hitting CFer with a great arm and defense who already knows how to hit in the big leagues, yet they settle for a 4th OF type in Murphy and a completely worthless piece of garbage career minor leaguer in kason gabbard, a matt desalvo type An absolute joke. Maybe the Sox offered up some Cash Money in the deal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Teams are in collusion vs the yankees quite often in trades. We saw it clear as day when the dbacks wanted both nick johnson and alfonso soriano for curt schilling, we said no, then they settled for a COMPLETE PILE OF SH#T THATS AMOUNTED TO NOTHING from boston, for curt schilling. I'm now reading the rangers wanted one of Ian Kennedy, Melky Cabrera or Alan Horne for Gagne. Thats 2 upper tier pitching prospects and a 22 yr old switch hitting CFer with a great arm and defense who already knows how to hit in the big leagues, yet they settle for a 4th OF type in Murphy and a completely worthless piece of garbage career minor leaguer in kason gabbard, a matt desalvo type An absolute joke. Call me crazy, but I don't think that MLB teams will acept what they feel is lesser value in trades, just so that they can spite the Yankees. That is not how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Call me crazy, but I don't think that MLB teams will acept what they feel is lesser value in trades, just so that they can spite the Yankees. That is not how it works. You better believe they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 You better believe they do. You always try to get the best prospects- some teams will not give them up like with Hughes as an example- no GM is going to take less just to spite the Yanks- he will not be employed very long- you have things to learn about the business world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted July 31, 2007 Author Share Posted July 31, 2007 The deal I am hearing is: Gagne for David Murphy (a suitable 4th OFer), Kason Gabbard (a #4/5 lefty handed pitcher who is suited for Texas), and Engel Beltre (17 y/o Dominican player who was highly coveted in 2006 international signing period) Not a bad deal, now Gagne just has to say yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 You always try to get the best prospects- some teams will not give them up like with Hughes as an example- no GM is going to take less just to spite the Yanks- he will not be employed very long- you have things to learn about the business world. Then explain to me how you ask for Soriano AND Nick Johnson, then settle for table scraps from another team. You cannot. And today is yet another case of teams in collusion vs the Yankees. Dont be so naive, every team hates the Yankees. They only like them when they have a salary to dump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Then explain to me how you ask for Soriano AND Nick Johnson, then settle for table scraps from another team. You cannot. And today is yet another case of teams in collusion vs the Yankees. Dont be so naive, every team hates the Yankees. They only like them when they have a salary to dump. Barton, teams are in it for themselves first, not to hurt other clubs first. If you can help yourself, while hurtiung a rival, yes that happenms. But for you to run around thinking that teams are only making moves in order to first hurt the Yankees, and then other things fall in line is naive thinking. You are a lot smarter than to believe that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Teams are in collusion vs the yankees quite often in trades. We saw it clear as day when the dbacks wanted both nick johnson and alfonso soriano for curt schilling, we said no, then they settled for a COMPLETE PILE OF SH#T THATS AMOUNTED TO NOTHING from boston, for curt schilling. Schilling has said that this is untrue. The D-Backs never asked for this package. Take it for what it's worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Barton, teams are in it for themselves first, not to hurt other clubs first. If you can help yourself, while hurtiung a rival, yes that happenms. But for you to run around thinking that teams are only making moves in order to first hurt the Yankees, and then other things fall in line is naive thinking. You are a lot smarter than to believe that. Thats the best way to call someone stupid without actually calling them stupid... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Thats the best way to call someone stupid without actually calling them stupid... lol Barton is smart and I would never call him or anyone on this site stupid. There are notions that I disagree with, and I will debate those. There used to be a person who call names here, but he has left to the football side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Barton, teams are in it for themselves first, not to hurt other clubs first. If you can help yourself, while hurtiung a rival, yes that happenms. But for you to run around thinking that teams are only making moves in order to first hurt the Yankees, and then other things fall in line is naive thinking. You are a lot smarter than to believe that. You dont get it. Lets move on now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj meadowlands Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Hopefully he stinks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 You dont get it. Lets move on now. Barton, I am an owner of a baseball team. I hire a GM to run the operations side of team building. What goals do I give him to serve under my command? -Make our team better in all moves (or at least build toward the future). Or -Hurt the Yankees. Explain the rationale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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