Raiders cut DE Quentin Moses

[DefenseWinsChampionships]

This guy has talent and would be a nice guy to groom at the DE position. He was a 3rd round pick out of Georgia I believe, yea the Raiders cut him, but at the same time... The Raiders are the Raiders... I say we give this kid a chance with Mangini...

[AFJF]

The good: This explosive pass rusher has shown dominant skills at times during his college career. He is capable of making big plays from the edge. He has the upfield speed to harass quarterbacks and the frame to fill out even more. He has a tall, angular frame with a big wingspan that allows him to separate quickly from blockers.

The bad: Moses had a disappointing senior season that likely dropped him out of the first round. He struggled while facing the nation

[AFJF]

Wow...could he have been that bad? a third rounder cut before the start of his first season? I guess the Jets could have just as easily cut Schlegel last year after TC. That's gotta be tough for an organizaion to admit they were wrong that quickly.

[Sperm Edwards]

This guy has talent and would be a nice guy to groom at the DE position. He was a 3rd round pick out of Georgia I believe, yea the Raiders cut him, but at the same time... The Raiders are the Raiders... I say we give this kid a chance with Mangini...

1) Moses is too small - WAYYYY too small - to play DE in a 3-4. But before his senior dropoff he was looking like a perfect 3-4 OLB.

2) If Mangini-buddy Rob Ryan just cut him, it's unlikely Mangini would want any part of him for himself.

3) Are you sure you follow the NY Jets?

[ShadowJet35]

1) Moses is too small - WAYYYY too small - to play DE in a 3-4. But before his senior dropoff he was looking like a perfect 3-4 OLB.

2) If Mangini-buddy Rob Ryan just cut him, it's unlikely Mangini would want any part of him for himself.

3) Are you sure you follow the NY Jets?

Damn... Buurrn.

[DefenseWinsChampionships]

1) Moses is too small - WAYYYY too small - to play DE in a 3-4. But before his senior dropoff he was looking like a perfect 3-4 OLB.

2) If Mangini-buddy Rob Ryan just cut him, it's unlikely Mangini would want any part of him for himself.

3) Are you sure you follow the NY Jets?

So your gonna take shots at and ask me something stupid like... "are you sure you follow the Jets" all because I made a thread about Moses being released and maybe the Jets should look into him... Grow up man... Grow up

[ShadowJet35]

So your gonna take shots at and ask me something stupid like... "are you sure you follow the Jets" all because I made a thread about Moses being released and maybe the Jets should look into him... Grow up man... Grow up

OOH BURN BACK!! BURN BACK!! WHEE WOO!!

He just pwned you man.....

[Sperm Edwards]

So your gonna take shots at and ask me something stupid like... "are you sure you follow the Jets" all because I made a thread about Moses being released and maybe the Jets should look into him... Grow up man... Grow up

lol

I just thought it was funny that you thought we might be looking at this player & then suggesting we put him at a position he doesn't fit on the Jets, for a Jets coach who would seemingly never pick him up.

Tell me more about all the games you saw Kellen Clemens play at Oregon.

[ShadowJet35]

lol

I just thought it was funny that you thought we might be looking at this player & then suggesting we put him at a position he doesn't fit on the Jets, for a Jets coach who would seemingly never pick him up.

Tell me more about all the games you saw Kellen Clemens play at Oregon.

Damn man, I wouldn't take that if I were you.

HE STONIN SON!!!!

[DefenseWinsChampionships]

lol

Tell me more about all the games you saw Kellen Clemens play at Oregon.

I seen him play vs USC... Im not judging him on that one game that I seen him for the simple fact USC was one of the best schools in the nation, but I have seen him in each and every preseason game because my older bro records the games for me since I dont start going over to his place till the season starts come wek 1. I can tell you this.. Yea he looked pretty good and made some nice plays, but at the same time... You can see it, he's not a leader as of right now like Chad Pennington is... No way can Kellen run this offense like Chad can with all the formation shifts before the plays, the running of the no huddle... I never said KC was garbage, I just said that he wont be starting over Chad unless Chad goes down due to an injury...

[Sperm Edwards]

I seen him play vs USC... Im not judging him on that one game that I seen him for the simple fact USC was one of the best schools in the nation, but I have seen him in each and every preseason game because my older bro records the games for me since I dont start going over to his place till the season starts come wek 1. I can tell you this.. Yea he looked pretty good and made some nice plays, but at the same time... You can see it, he's not a leader as of right now like Chad Pennington is... No way can Kellen run this offense like Chad can with all the formation shifts before the plays, the running of the no huddle... I never said KC was garbage, I just said that he wont be starting over Chad unless Chad goes down due to an injury...

Actually you said you were never impressed with him while he was playing at Oregon. That suggests that you saw him in more than 1 football game against the best defense in the country.

And judging by watching pre-season games, as you put it, Chad Pennington looked like a leader out there this year? To both the trained & untrained eye looked like a 7th-round rookie about to get cut.

You make no sense.

[DefenseWinsChampionships]

Actually you said you were never impressed with him while he was playing at Oregon. That suggests that you saw him in more than 1 football game against the best defense in the country.

And judging by watching pre-season games, as you put it, Chad Pennington looked like a leader out there this year? To both the trained & untrained eye looked like a 7th-round rookie about to get cut.

You make no sense.

Chad Pennington was a leader last year, and Mangini has Chad as the Starting QB once again this year (For a reason) And thats all that matters.

Read my sig...

[Sperm Edwards]

Chad Pennington was a leader last year, and Mangini has Chad as the Starting QB once again this year (For a reason) And thats all that matters.

Read my sig...

Then you think we must have made one of the greatest blunders in franchise history to fire Paul Hackett after narrowly missing a championship game appearance.

[DefenseWinsChampionships]

Then you think we must have made one of the greatest blunders in franchise history to fire Paul Hackett after narrowly missing a championship game appearance.

The problem was never hackett, it was Herm Edwards

[ShadowJet35]

I've been eating some bacon, let me get back to what I was doing.

OHH HE BURNIN SON!!

DAMN, YOU GON' LET HIM TALK TO YOU LIKE THAT YO!!

DEEEEyum, He pwned you hard son!!!

Alright, you guys can continue your useless petty argument without my input.

[Sperm Edwards]

The problem was never hackett, it was Herm Edwards

So you feel that Hackett was a good OC?

Then spot the weak link:

solid talent at WR? check

solid OL? check

solid HB & FB? check

and from your post...solid OC? check

then if the QB position was so good with Pennington, why has our offense never sniffed at the top-10 in either yards or points with him back there?

You are digging yourself into an even deeper hole.

[DefenseWinsChampionships]

So you feel that Hackett was a good OC?

Then spot the weak link:

solid talent at WR? check

solid OL? check

solid HB & FB? check

and from your post...solid OC? check

then if the QB position was so good with Pennington, why has our offense never sniffed at the top-10 in either yards or points with him back there?

You are digging yourself into an even deeper hole.

First of all... We do have solid talent at WR in Coles, Cotch, J.Mac, Smith and Stukey

Our O-Line... Is far from Solid... Im just glad we have a solid Center in Mangold and a player in Ferguson that has alot of potential as a franchise LT... As far as our RT and guards go... I have never said we are solid there... Dont try and put words into my mouth on a damn Jets fan site.

Our HB's... Yea with Thomas Jones and Leon Washington... We are solid

Hackett was a solid OC, we won games with him calling they plays when healthy, and we were 2 kicks away from the Championship game with Chad as the QB and hackett as the OC.

Its kinda hard to have a top 10 Offense in terms of points scored and yards gained when you have a defnese that cant get off the field and get the offense the ball back, and an offense thats never had a top 10 talent... It's more than just the QB... It's a team game.

So let me guess... With 2 rookies on the O-Line last season, Barlow and Blaylock as RB's along with C.Houston, C.Baker as a tight end... You call that a top 10 Offense? Yea ok... Only thing top 10 about our Offense last season was Coles and Cotchery... And guess what? Chad was the QB behind one of the worst offensive lines IV seen in a while.

[Sperm Edwards]

First of all... We do have solid talent at WR in Coles, Cotch, J.Mac, Smith and Stukey

Our O-Line... Is far from Solid... Im just glad we have a solid Center in Mangold and a player in Ferguson that has alot of potential as a franchise LT... As far as our RT and guards go... I have never said we are solid there... Dont try and put words into my mouth on a damn Jets fan site.

Our HB's... Yea with Thomas Jones and Leon Washington... We are solid

Hackett was a solid OC, we won games with him calling they plays when healthy, and we were 2 kicks away from the Championship game with Chad as the QB and hackett as the OC.

Its kinda hard to have a top 10 Offense in terms of points scored and yards gained when you have a defnese that cant get off the field and get the offense the ball back, and an offense thats never had a top 10 talent... It's more than just the QB... It's a team game.

So let me guess... With 2 rookies on the O-Line last season, Barlow and Blaylock as RB's along with C.Houston, C.Baker as a tight end... You call that a top 10 Offense? Yea ok... Only thing top 10 about our Offense last season was Coles and Cotchery... And guess what? Chad was the QB behind one of the worst offensive lines IV seen in a while.

Reading comprehension isn't your thing, is it?

You claimed Paul Hackett wasn't the problem.

So with an OC who you feel was not the problem, and with solid talent all around him, why was Chad Pennington never able to lead the Jets to a top-10 offense?

And then tell us why Kellen Clemens never impressed you at Oregon.

[DefenseWinsChampionships]

Reading comprehension isn't your thing, is it?

You claimed Paul Hackett wasn't the problem.

So with an OC who you feel was not the problem, and with solid talent all around him, why was Chad Pennington never able to lead the Jets to a top-10 offense?

Chad Pennington is NOT the OFFENSE... Chad Pennington has always been a PART of the Offense... Not THE OFFENSE... Just go ask Herm Edwards and his 3rd and 12 draw plays to Curtis Martin why we never had a top 10 Offense.

Yards and points scored are just "stats"... When Chad is healthy we are usually a TOP 10 TEAM, and we also happen to make the Playoffs with Chad as the starting QB. As as a Head Coach in the NFL, thats all you can really ask for in your QB, a QB that actually gives the TEAM a chance to make the SB, and from the playoffs... With a solid TEAM around your QB, anything can happen.

Last time I checked... Chad Pennington does not call the plays, Chad Pennington does not hand the ball off to himself, Chad Pennington does not block for himself after he hands the ball off to himself, Chad Pennigton does not blitz the opposing QB, Chad Pennington does not play the D-Line and try and stop Willis McGahaee and Chad Pennington never has had the chance to kick 2 FG's vs the Steelers with Herm as the coach who chose to down the ball instead of trying to get more yards by running the ball to actually make it a closer FG attemt, instead of a longer one.

ONCE AGAIN SPERM... CHAD IS NOT THE TEAM... HERM HAD CHAD AS THE STARTER FOR A REASON... MANGINI HAS CHAD AS THE STARTER FOR A REASON... He simply gives this team the best chance to win.

Just go ask Jay Fiedler, Vinny, Brooks Bollinger and Kliff Kingsbury why we never had a top 10 Offense... I bet they can tell you the answer...

I'm done with you Spermy... I dont come on JN to argue about Chad Pennington vs Kellen Clemens all day... Mangini has Chad as the Starting QB...Thats all that's to it, And I'm gonna stick with Mangini's decision over yours anyday of the week...

[Sperm Edwards]

Chad Pennington is NOT the OFFENSE... Chad Pennington has always been a PART of the Offense... Not THE OFFENSE... Just go ask Herm Edwards and his 3rd and 12 draw plays to Curtis Martin why we never had a top 10 Offense.

Yards and points scored are just "stats"... When Chad is healthy we are usually a TOP 10 TEAM, and we also happen to make the Playoffs with Chad as the starting QB. As as a Head Coach in the NFL, thats all you can really ask for in your QB, a QB that actually gives the TEAM a chance to make the SB, and from the playoffs... With a solid TEAM around your QB, anything can happen.

Last time I checked... Chad Pennington does not call the plays, Chad Pennington does not hand the ball off to himself, Chad Pennington does not block for himself after he hands the ball off to himself, Chad Pennigton does not blitz the opposing QB, Chad Pennington does not play the D-Line and try and stop Willis McGahaee and Chad Pennington never has had the chance to kick 2 FG's vs the Steelers with Herm as the coach who chose to down the ball instead of trying to get more yards by running the ball to actually make it a closer FG attemt, instead of a longer one.

ONCE AGAIN SPERM... CHAD IS NOT THE TEAM... HERM HAD CHAD AS THE STARTER FOR A REASON... MANGINI HAS CHAD AS THE STARTER FOR A REASON... He simply gives this team the best chance to win.

Just go ask Jay Fiedler, Vinny, Brooks Bollinger and Kliff Kingsbury why we never had a top 10 Offense... I bet they can tell you the answer...

I'm done with you Spermy... I dont come on JN to argue about Chad Pennington vs Kellen Clemens all day... Mangini has Chad as the Starting QB...Thats all that's to it, And I'm gonna stick with Mangini's decision over yours anyday of the week...

What prevented Chad Pennington from making the Jets a top-10 offense in any year prior to 2006? I mean do you really believe that our OL and RB situation was the problem when Hackett was the OC? All the defensive gobbledygook about Willis McGahee or blitzing or FG's in one post-season game (when the offense put up 3 points) has nothing to do with it. The common denominator with no top-10 offenses for the Jets is Chad Pennington.

Except for one stretch in 2002 when the league hadn't seen him much yet, the Jets took Chad Pennington to the playoffs; not the other way around.

And you've been asked no fewer than 10x to reply to your own comment about Clemens: What about Kellen Clemens' tenure at Oregon did you find particularly unimpressive? Mangini, whose decisions you support, clearly wanted him or he wouldn't be here. Why would Mangini do something so stupid as to draft a QB you found so unimpressive at Oregon? He must be blind.

[DefenseWinsChampionships]

What prevented Chad Pennington from making the Jets a top-10 offense in any year prior to 2006? I mean do you really believe that our OL and RB situation was the problem when Hackett was the OC? All the defensive gobbledygook about Willis McGahee or blitzing or FG's in one post-season game (when the offense put up 3 points) has nothing to do with it. The common denominator with no top-10 offenses for the Jets is Chad Pennington.

Except for one stretch in 2002 when the league hadn't seen him much yet, the Jets took Chad Pennington to the playoffs; not the other way around.

And you've been asked no fewer than 10x to reply to your own comment about Clemens: What about Kellen Clemens' tenure at Oregon did you find particularly unimpressive? Mangini, whose decisions you support, clearly wanted him or he wouldn't be here. Why would Mangini do something so stupid as to draft a QB you found so unimpressive at Oregon? He must be blind.

Chad Pennington lead the Jets to the playoffs last season with 2 rookies on the O-Line, Barlow, Blaylock and Houston in the backfield, a 3-4 D that could not get off the field or stop the run (24th in rush Defense)... Not the other way around.

And when I seen KC play vs USC... I was not impressed at all with his play under pressure, he put up solid numbers while playing for Oregon... But against the teams he was playing... lmao, they should have been alot better.

KC could not dominate a USC defense, not even half the starters on the USC Defense was actually NFL material...What makes me think that he can dominate NFL defenses? But at the same time... Vince Young had no problem DOMINATING that USC Defense, passing and rushing... I also had a chance to see him play in the preseason... Chad was HORRIABLE in the preseason, but I already know what Chad can do as the leader of this team, Kellen seems like he has the happy feet in the pocket. No thanks.

And Mangini also drafted the boar hunter in the 3rd round... Where is he now?

Mangini also brang Kimo to this defensive D-Line... Where is he now?

Mangini also brang in K.Barlow as our starting RB... Where is he now?

So as far as you telling me that Mangini must be blind because he drafted KC in the 2nd round... Well guess what Spermy... Mistakes happen... Even by Mangini.

[CoachTsurfing]

1) Moses is too small - WAYYYY too small - to play DE in a 3-4. But before his senior dropoff he was looking like a perfect 3-4 OLB.

2) If Mangini-buddy Rob Ryan just cut him, it's unlikely Mangini would want any part of him for himself.

3) Are you sure you follow the NY Jets?

1. agree

2. agree

3. disagree anytime anyone is cut the jets need to look at him to see if it is an upgrade and help this team.

[JetCane]

Mangini also brang Kimo to this defensive D-Line... Where is he now?

Mangini also brang in K.Barlow as our starting RB... Where is he now?

Ouch

[DefenseWinsChampionships]

Ouch

Exactly... People act just because Kellen was drafted in the 2nd round, that his shiit cant stink. Mangini has made mistakes in the past since he's been here... From signing Barlow, signing Kimo, to the onside kick to open the 2nd half vs the bears... Mangini has made mistakes... I'm not saying KC is a mistake, I'm not saying Chad is Brady or Manning, but if KC were the next Joe Montana... A player that MANGINI DRAFTED IN THE 2nd round...He would be starting by now... And why did he only get 2 attempts in the last preseason game? Maybe because Mangini already knew what he has in Kellen, and who the starting QB will be?

Well since Pennington sucks so much, can never beat a top 10 D, can never lead us to the SB, can never have a top 10 Offense, the fact that KC is in his 2nd season and is still on the bench after Mangini drafted him in the 2ND ROUND TO BE THE STARTING QB OF THE NEW YORK JETS FOR YEARS TO COME... speaks volumes to me.

[BUM-KNEE]

Exactly... People act just because Kellen was drafted in the 2nd round, that his shiit cant stink. Mangini has made mistakes in the past since he's been here... From signing Barlow, signing Kimo, to the onside kick to open the 2nd half vs the bears... Mangini has made mistakes... I'm not saying KC is a mistake, I'm not saying Chad is Brady or Manning, but if KC were the next Joe Montana... A player that MANGINI DRAFTED IN THE 2nd round...He would be starting by now... And why did he only get 2 attempts in the last preseason game? Maybe because Mangini already knew what he has in Kellen, and who the starting QB will be?

Well since Pennington sucks so much, can never beat a top 10 D, can never lead us to the SB, can never have a top 10 Offense, the fact that KC is in his 2nd season and is still on the bench after Mangini drafted him in the 2ND ROUND TO BE THE STARTING QB OF THE NEW YORK JETS FOR YEARS TO COME... speaks volumes to me.

I think the "ouch" was for your use of BRANG instead of "brought".

[JetCane]

Exactly... People act just because Kellen was drafted in the 2nd round, that his shiit cant stink.

Um no. I said ouch because the word I bolded in your post hurt my brain when i read it.

[DefenseWinsChampionships]

Why would Mangini do something so stupid as to draft a QB you found so unimpressive at Oregon? He must be blind.

Why did Mangini draft the Boar Hunter in the 3rd round to be our "MLB" in the 3-4 to play alongside Vilma for years to come, only to release him in the offseason and get NOTHING IN RETURN? You know what I call that Spermy??? A waste of a 3rd round pick when we drafted L.Washington in the 4th round... As you can see, the talent was there in the 3rd, but Mangini and the front office must have been blind at the time.

Why did Mangini and the FO sign D.Blaylock and K.Barlow in the offseason last year? Even the Steelers signed Barlow this offseason and realized they made a mistake and released him before the season started... Why was Mangini so blind from the time that he signed Barlow, from the time that he practiced with the Jets, all the way till the time he put up a average of maybe 2.3 as the starting RB for the Jets... When we could have simply played Leon Washington and C.Houston over Blaylock and Barlow the whole season... Once again Spermy... Mangini must have been BLIND

Also why give Kimo a roster bonus? I guess Mangini must have been SO STUPID... And Blind at the same time on that one

So Mangini drafting KC in the 2nd round actually means nothing to me... Once again, why was Matt Leinart, VY, and J.Cutler all drafted in the 1st round? Why did teams who needed a great QB pass up on KC in the draft? Tell me that Spermy...

[DefenseWinsChampionships]

I must admit that DWC is over enthusiastic at times to say the least.

*edit*

He's the one telling me that I dug myself a grave...

But at the same time, when he throws something at me like "So tell me why MANGINI was so Stupid, or so BLIND to draft KC in the 2nd Round"...

And I reply with...

Mistakes happen, just go ask The Boar Hunter, Kimo, Blaylock, or Barlow... Guess what he has to say about that? Nothing, nothing at all... And your right RSJ, I just read this thread once again, and Sperm is an A-Hole like always... a real Prick, Jerkoff, internet tough guy... Whatever you wanna call it.

All this B.S because I made a thread about Q.Moses being released... Some Mod he is... Some mod.

[Lil Bit Special]

I've been eating some bacon, let me get back to what I was doing.

OHH HE BURNIN SON!!

DAMN, YOU GON' LET HIM TALK TO YOU LIKE THAT YO!!

DEEEEyum, He pwned you hard son!!!

Alright, you guys can continue your useless petty argument without my input.

POTW NOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cmon... keep doin it... this is the best part of this thread.... heck I stopped reading their crap after the first few posts.....

[Sperm Edwards]

Chad Pennington lead the Jets to the playoffs last season with 2 rookies on the O-Line, Barlow, Blaylock and Houston in the backfield, a 3-4 D that could not get off the field or stop the run (24th in rush Defense)... Not the other way around.

And when I seen KC play vs USC... I was not impressed at all with his play under pressure, he put up solid numbers while playing for Oregon... But against the teams he was playing... lmao, they should have been alot better.

KC could not dominate a USC defense, not even half the starters on the USC Defense was actually NFL material...What makes me think that he can dominate NFL defenses? But at the same time... Vince Young had no problem DOMINATING that USC Defense, passing and rushing... I also had a chance to see him play in the preseason... Chad was HORRIABLE in the preseason, but I already know what Chad can do as the leader of this team, Kellen seems like he has the happy feet in the pocket. No thanks.

And Mangini also drafted the boar hunter in the 3rd round... Where is he now?

Mangini also brang Kimo to this defensive D-Line... Where is he now?

Mangini also brang in K.Barlow as our starting RB... Where is he now?

So as far as you telling me that Mangini must be blind because he drafted KC in the 2nd round... Well guess what Spermy... Mistakes happen... Even by Mangini.

You have got to be kidding me.

You are IMPRESSED with the way Pennington looks when he's under pressure? It is possible you have never seen Pennington play a down in the NFL if you think so. When there's real pressure on him he's a choke artist who flips the ball up in the air like a clueless idiot.

The Jets did not win 10 games because of Pennington. They won 10 games because the defense gave up so few points.

You want it both ways all over the place. So Clemens is responsible for beating USC single-handedly but when that same finger is pointed at Pennington you whine how he's only 1 player & find every (bad) excuse under the sun. Then you want to use Mangini naming Pennington as the QB as proof-positive of a correct decision & then slam him when it suits you.

Vince Young played for Texas. He was an outstanding college player - incredible at times - but Texas was not a 1-man show. Somehow the whole team made it to the nat'l championship game. You ignorantly make it sound like the only difference in talent between the 2005 Texas Longhorns & the 2005 Oregon Ducks was the QB position.

And if Clemens' #'s against his "lmao" opponents should have yielded better stats, then Pennington should have been top-5 in passing yards & TD's in both '04 & '06. I mean, what great pass defenses have you seen Pennington light up? The bottom-ranked 2006 Vikings? lol

Maybe you're right:

Pennington has been lighting up top pass defenses all this time despite never playing with a solid OL, never having a real running game, never having even average receivers, and had to deal with hardships all around him that no other NFL player has had to overcome.

If Vince Young played for the Oregon Ducks, then the Oregon Ducks would have been in the Nat'l Championship game, would have beaten USC in said game, and Texas would have been awful.

When the Jets win, it's because of Pennington. When the Jets lose, well hey, football is a team sport. He must be the answer b/c they had a better win %age with him than they did with Brooks Bollinger.

Kellen Clemens is 3 years away from deserving a shot b/c you were personally unimpressed with the way he looked 2 years ago when playing the top defense in the nation...in college. And he was further unimpressive to you in pre-season games as a rookie. This is in stark contrast to Pennington, who of course looked amazing as a rookie who couldn't beat out a QB who missed the season a year earlier & threw 25 interceptions that year on top of that.

mmm-kay.

[DefenseWinsChampionships]

You have got to be kidding me.

You are IMPRESSED with the way Pennington looks when he's under pressure? It is possible you have never seen Pennington play a down in the NFL if you think so. When there's real pressure on him he's a choke artist who flips the ball up in the air like a clueless idiot.

The Jets did not win 10 games because of Pennington. They won 10 games because the defense gave up so few points.

You want it both ways all over the place. So Clemens is responsible for beating USC single-handedly but when that same finger is pointed at Pennington you whine how he's only 1 player & find every (bad) excuse under the sun. Then you want to use Mangini naming Pennington as the QB as proof-positive of a correct decision & then slam him when it suits you.

Vince Young played for Texas. He was an outstanding college player - incredible at times - but Texas was not a 1-man show. Somehow the whole team made it to the nat'l championship game. You ignorantly make it sound like the only difference in talent between the 2005 Texas Longhorns & the 2005 Oregon Ducks was the QB position.

And if Clemens' #'s against his "lmao" opponents should have yielded better stats, then Pennington should have been top-5 in passing yards & TD's in both '04 & '06. I mean, what great pass defenses have you seen Pennington light up? The bottom-ranked 2006 Vikings? lol

Maybe you're right:

Pennington has been lighting up top pass defenses all this time despite never playing with a solid OL, never having a real running game, never having even average receivers, and had to deal with hardships all around him that no other NFL player has had to overcome.

If Vince Young played for the Oregon Ducks, then the Oregon Ducks would have been in the Nat'l Championship game, would have beaten USC in said game, and Texas would have been awful.

When the Jets win, it's because of Pennington. When the Jets lose, well hey, football is a team sport. He must be the answer b/c they had a better win %age with him than they did with Brooks Bollinger.

Kellen Clemens is 3 years away from deserving a shot b/c you were personally unimpressed with the way he looked 2 years ago when playing the top defense in the nation...in college. And he was further unimpressive to you in pre-season games as a rookie. This is in stark contrast to Pennington, who of course looked amazing as a rookie who couldn't beat out a QB who missed the season a year earlier & threw 25 interceptions that year on top of that.

mmm-kay.

Huh?

What were you saying?

[Barton]

I am seriously seeing the advantages of the Jets losing week one.....

[dbatesman]

Well since Pennington sucks so much, can never beat a top 10 D, can never lead us to the SB, can never have a top 10 Offense, the fact that KC is in his 2nd season and is still on the bench after Mangini drafted him in the 2ND ROUND TO BE THE STARTING QB OF THE NEW YORK JETS FOR YEARS TO COME... speaks volumes to me.

Wow, tremendous point here. I don't know who could possibly argue with this.

Of course, by your logic, Pennington is a total scrub, because he couldn't beat out Vinny Testaverde during his first 2 years in the league. But nevermind that.

[Jet Moses]

Chad Pennington lead the Jets to the playoffs last season with 2 rookies on the O-Line, Barlow, Blaylock and Houston in the backfield, a 3-4 D that could not get off the field or stop the run (24th in rush Defense)... Not the other way around.

And when I seen KC play vs USC... I was not impressed at all with his play under pressure, he put up solid numbers while playing for Oregon... But against the teams he was playing... lmao, they should have been alot better.

KC could not dominate a USC defense, not even half the starters on the USC Defense was actually NFL material...What makes me think that he can dominate NFL defenses? But at the same time... Vince Young had no problem DOMINATING that USC Defense, passing and rushing... I also had a chance to see him play in the preseason... Chad was HORRIABLE in the preseason, but I already know what Chad can do as the leader of this team, Kellen seems like he has the happy feet in the pocket. No thanks.

And Mangini also drafted the boar hunter in the 3rd round... Where is he now?

Mangini also brang Kimo to this defensive D-Line... Where is he now?

Mangini also brang in K.Barlow as our starting RB... Where is he now?

So as far as you telling me that Mangini must be blind because he drafted KC in the 2nd round... Well guess what Spermy... Mistakes happen... Even by Mangini.

Pull my finger.

[Smizzy]

The season is right around the corner. Let's focus our attention on soemething else.