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If Moss was so occupied how did he have 98 catches and 23 TD receptions?

He's Randy Moss, sometimes I think fans of other teams know more about Randy Moss then his own teams fans. Everyone should know Randy Moss cannot be stopped even if you put some of the best corners in the league on him.

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Why is this scrub mentioned in the same breath as Randy Moss and Dante Stallworth? Am I the only person who thinks he's an overpaid never was?

I hate you. 

Edelman, seriously?

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How 'bout this. Try being objective here. Stop looking at Welkers numbers and what he did with each team and just look at his skill set.

Run sharp routes? Check

Great hands? Check

Adjust well to badly thrown balls? Check

Above average speed? Check

Not afraid to go over the middle and get blasted? Check

Putting down the stat sheet and watching Welker play football tells me he's a damn good WR no matter who he's on the field with. The fact that his production improves when there is more talent around him only makes him just like every other player in the league.

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Hmmm.....

http://www.jetnation.com/forums/showpost.php?p=620676&postcount=39

;)

Too bad we weren't able to keep Wes, but it just didn't make sense for us to overpay a #3 WR. Besides, we got Satele with that draft pick, and a very good C is > than a very good #3 WR. I'll make that trade everyday of the week.

As always you are the voice of reason :sign0098:

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Hmmm.....

http://www.jetnation.com/forums/showpost.php?p=620676&postcount=39

;)

Too bad we weren't able to keep Wes, but it just didn't make sense for us to overpay a #3 WR. Besides, we got Satele with that draft pick, and a very good C is > than a very good #3 WR. I'll make that trade everyday of the week.

#3 WR? That is pretty generous. Actually he is the #11 WR. 11th most yards of any WR in the NFL last year. #1 in number of receptions, though.

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#3 WR? That is pretty generous. Actually he is the #11 WR. 11th most yards of any WR in the NFL last year. #1 in number of receptions, though.

:)

Sorry, should have said "slot receiver". ;)

Wes exceeded even my expectations. I still love to watch him play, even if it's on the Pats.

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Hmmm.....

http://www.jetnation.com/forums/showpost.php?p=620676&postcount=39

;)

Too bad we weren't able to keep Wes, but it just didn't make sense for us to overpay a #3 WR. Besides, we got Satele with that draft pick, and a very good C is > than a very good #3 WR. I'll make that trade everyday of the week.

I think the Pats would too. :biggrin:

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Hmmm.....

http://www.jetnation.com/forums/showpost.php?p=620676&postcount=39

;)

Too bad we weren't able to keep Wes, but it just didn't make sense for us to overpay a #3 WR. Besides, we got Satele with that draft pick, and a very good C is > than a very good #3 WR. I'll make that trade everyday of the week.

uh if we got welker he'd be our #1 or #2.

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I think the Pats would too. :biggrin:

That's great, they had the luxury of paying a slot receiver a ton of money. With all the holes that Miami had before last season started, we didn't have that luxury.

Wes wouldn't have had the same type of season in Miami, NE's offense was a perfect match for him. They have so many ways to beat you that teams can't focus on just one player, allowing Welker to find an open spot on the field. He's really good at finding the hole in the defense.

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Pretty damn good blocker as well, especially considering his size.

I will go on the record as saying it was a win/win trade. The Dolphins took advantage of the draft picks they received and the Pats got a guy who lead the NFL in receptions.

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I will go on the record as saying it was a win/win trade. The Dolphins took advantage of the draft picks they received and the Pats got a guy who lead the NFL in receptions.

Definitely a good trade for both teams. :)

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i agree hes not that #1 reciever moss is but they just use him correctly

One thing I think people overlook with Wes, is how often he catches the ball. And I am not talking about as a percent of balls thrown to him.

Yes, Wes and TJ caught the same number of passes but TJ had the ball thrown to him 45 more times. If we say Moss is the number one receiver because Brady threw him the ball to him more, but even though Brady threw the ball to Moss more often than to Welker, Welker has more receptions.

Is Burress a #1 receiver? He only catches half the balls thrown to him.

Player Target Rec % caught 1. Brandon Marshall 170 102 60% 2. T.J. Houshmandzadeh 168 112 67% 3. Larry Fitzgerald 167 101 60% 4. Derrick Mason 164 103 63% 5. Chad Johnson 160 93 58% 6. Randy Moss 159 98 62% 7. Reggie Wayne 156 104 67% 8. Braylon Edwards 153 80 52% 9. Torry Holt 150 93 62% 10. Steve Smith 148 87 59% 11. Wes Welker 145 112 77% 12. Marques Colston 143 98 69% 13. Terrell Owens 141 81 57% 14. Plaxico Burress 139 70 50% 15. Kevin Curtis 134 77 57% 16. Bobby Engram 134 94 70% 17. Roddy White 130 83 64% 18. Chris Chambers 129 66 51% 19. Bernard Berrian 128 70 55% 20. Jerricho Cotchery 127 82 65% 21. Shaun McDonald 127 79 62% 22. Donald Driver 122 82 67% 23. Dwayne Bowe 117 70 60% 24. Santana Moss 115 61 53% 25. Lee Evans 114 55 48% 26. Hines Ward 113 72 64% 27. Reggie Brown 112 61 54% 28. Kevin Walter 106 65 61% 29. Marty Booker 105 50 48% 30. Arnaz Battle 104 50 48% 31. Darrell Jackson 104 46 44% 32. Roy Williams 104 63 61% 33. Jerry Porter 103 44 43% 34. Amani Toomer 103 59 57% 35. Isaac Bruce 101 55 54% 36. Anquan Boldin 99 71 72% 37. Ronald Curry 97 55 57% 38. Joey Galloway 96 57 59% 39. Nate Burleson 95 50 53% 40. Calvin Johnson 95 48 51% 41. Roydell Williams 94 55 59% 42. Mike Furrey 90 61 68% 43. Mark Clayton 89 48 54% 44. Laveranues Coles 89 55 62% 45. David Patten 88 54 61% 46. Bryant Johnson 87 45 52% 47. Josh Reed 87 51 59% 48. Andre Johnson 86 60 70% 49. Deion Branch 85 49 58% 50. Justin Gage 85 55 65%

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One thing I think people overlook with Wes, is how often he catches the ball. And I am not talking about as a percent of balls thrown to him.

Yes, Wes and TJ caught the same number of passes but TJ had the ball thrown to him 45 more times. If we say Moss is the number one receiver because Brady threw him the ball to him more, but even though Brady threw the ball to Moss more often than to Welker, Welker has more receptions.

Is Burress a #1 receiver? He only catches half the balls thrown to him.

Player Target Rec % caught 1. Brandon Marshall 170 102 60% 2. T.J. Houshmandzadeh 168 112 67% 3. Larry Fitzgerald 167 101 60% 4. Derrick Mason 164 103 63% 5. Chad Johnson 160 93 58% 6. Randy Moss 159 98 62% 7. Reggie Wayne 156 104 67% 8. Braylon Edwards 153 80 52% 9. Torry Holt 150 93 62% 10. Steve Smith 148 87 59% 11. Wes Welker 145 112 77% 12. Marques Colston 143 98 69% 13. Terrell Owens 141 81 57% 14. Plaxico Burress 139 70 50% 15. Kevin Curtis 134 77 57% 16. Bobby Engram 134 94 70% 17. Roddy White 130 83 64% 18. Chris Chambers 129 66 51% 19. Bernard Berrian 128 70 55% 20. Jerricho Cotchery 127 82 65% 21. Shaun McDonald 127 79 62% 22. Donald Driver 122 82 67% 23. Dwayne Bowe 117 70 60% 24. Santana Moss 115 61 53% 25. Lee Evans 114 55 48% 26. Hines Ward 113 72 64% 27. Reggie Brown 112 61 54% 28. Kevin Walter 106 65 61% 29. Marty Booker 105 50 48% 30. Arnaz Battle 104 50 48% 31. Darrell Jackson 104 46 44% 32. Roy Williams 104 63 61% 33. Jerry Porter 103 44 43% 34. Amani Toomer 103 59 57% 35. Isaac Bruce 101 55 54% 36. Anquan Boldin 99 71 72% 37. Ronald Curry 97 55 57% 38. Joey Galloway 96 57 59% 39. Nate Burleson 95 50 53% 40. Calvin Johnson 95 48 51% 41. Roydell Williams 94 55 59% 42. Mike Furrey 90 61 68% 43. Mark Clayton 89 48 54% 44. Laveranues Coles 89 55 62% 45. David Patten 88 54 61% 46. Bryant Johnson 87 45 52% 47. Josh Reed 87 51 59% 48. Andre Johnson 86 60 70% 49. Deion Branch 85 49 58% 50. Justin Gage 85 55 65%

pp blanket moss which leaves welker more likely to be open...better chance of catching the ball.....right?

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pp blanket moss which leaves welker more likely to be open...better chance of catching the ball.....right?

Let's not let common sense get in the way of Hoodie ejaculating over Welker's 8x10 photo on his desk.

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Wes Welker was Miami's best receiver last season (leading one as well as if that's surprising) and is also a very good return man. He will fit absolutely PERFECT in New England's offense of slants and such making the catch 10 yards down the field and darting through the defense. He also has speed where he could beat you deep and toughness to catch balls over the middle. He will lead this team in receptions with 70 or so and will be a dynamic return man. Wes Welker IS the real deal.

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pp blanket moss which leaves welker more likely to be open...better chance of catching the ball.....right?

He caught 67% of the balls thrown to him in 2006. Not as good as 2007, but still above avg. And better than the other two Dolphin WR; Booker 61%; Chambers 38%.

He hangs on to balls very well.

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pp blanket moss which leaves welker more likely to be open...better chance of catching the ball.....right?

Yes. Those numbers are great, but I would be more interested in seeing what other slot receivers numbers look like. If they are all around 77%, then the number means nothing.

Either way, he needs to get open to get the ball 145 times. He also needs to catch the ball to get it 145 times. I think a more telling number is he led the league YAC. He makes people miss.

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