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Thats basically what Garb, Alk, Psfikh and I have been saying all along.

Those bubble screens are an extension of the run game and you spread the field to create favorable matchups and run lanes. Its all about YAC and getting ball into the hands of your shiftiest players.

Yeah...pretty much.

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After you provide passes behind LOS

How many catches were when a LB was covering him?

Then

How many catches when a safety was covering him

what amount is left?

I realize he is a good player..........i would like to see what he does

when a good CB covers him

Who cares? The Saints shut down Welker and beat the Pats by 3 TDs. Why don't other teams do that?

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Who cares? The Saints shut down Welker and beat the Pats by 3 TDs. Why don't other teams do that?

Just saying if you want to classify him as elite.........

lets see what he does when revis plays him or any other good CB

he is a nice little player whose stats are effed up as many passes come

in bubble variety, or he is being covered by a LB or slow safety

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What I find funny is that a panel of experts, 2 HOF WR's, 1 SB winning HC all agreed with everything I've ever said about Wes Welker, he's a good WR, not great, who benefits from being part of the deadliest combo this league's ever seen.

Moss is still the most dangerous player in the league and teams look to shut him down and let Welker do what he does, basically saying, Welker cant beat us, but Moss can.

All of them agreed, Welker would be an average player if he didnt play with Randy Moss and Tom Brady in a pass happy offense.

It was just really funny hearing those guys say that and then coming here and seeing the Pats fans insist that Welker is elite, best WR on the team, possibly in the league, when he is no where close.

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What I find funny is that a panel of experts, 2 HOF WR's, 1 SB winning HC all agreed with everything I've ever said about Wes Welker, he's a good WR, not great, who benefits from being part of the deadliest combo this league's ever seen.

Moss is still the most dangerous player in the league and teams look to shut him down and let Welker do what he does, basically saying, Welker cant beat us, but Moss can.

All of them agreed, Welker would be an average player if he didnt play with Randy Moss and Tom Brady in a pass happy offense.

It was just really funny hearing those guys say that and then coming here and seeing the Pats fans insist that Welker is elite, best WR on the team, possibly in the league, when he is no where close.

Please tell me you aren't talking about the ESPN crew.

Lets look at Welker since 2006;

2006 Dolphins: 67 catches (Cleo Lemo and other crap QBs)

2007 Pats: 112 catches

2008 Pats: 111 catches (Matt Cassel anyone?)

2009 Pats: 105 catches and counting

You would cum in your pants if Welker was a Jet.

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What I find funny is that a panel of experts, 2 HOF WR's, 1 SB winning HC all agreed with everything I've ever said about Wes Welker, he's a good WR, not great, who benefits from being part of the deadliest combo this league's ever seen.

Moss is still the most dangerous player in the league and teams look to shut him down and let Welker do what he does, basically saying, Welker cant beat us, but Moss can.

All of them agreed, Welker would be an average player if he didnt play with Randy Moss and Tom Brady in a pass happy offense.

It was just really funny hearing those guys say that and then coming here and seeing the Pats fans insist that Welker is elite, best WR on the team, possibly in the league, when he is no where close.

I'm not comparing the two players, but they used to call Jerry Rice's stats into question because he played for Bill Walsh in what was considered a gimmick offense when the WCO was new. The point is, you can question almost any prolific receiver based on who they play with. Is Marvin Harrison a lesser player because he played with Manning?

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Please tell me you aren't talking about the ESPN crew.

Lets look at Welker since 2006;

2006 Dolphins: 67 catches (Cleo Lemo and other crap QBs)

2007 Pats: 112 catches

2008 Pats: 111 catches (Matt Cassel anyone?)

2009 Pats: 105 catches and counting

You would cum in your pants if Welker was a Jet.

Aren't you the same guy that said Chrebet never put up season like welker?

It's moss, being in a pass happy offense, and Brady.. that's why welker went from 67-112 catches.. Are you thinking he got twice as good in 1 year or soemthing?

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I'm not comparing the two players, but they used to call Jerry Rice's stats into question because he played for Bill Walsh in what was considered a gimmick offense when the WCO was new. The point is, you can question almost any prolific receiver based on who they play with. Is Marvin Harrison a lesser player because he played with Manning?

yes

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Who cares? The Saints shut down Welker and beat the Pats by 3 TDs. Why don't other teams do that?

...because other teams are retahded, including the Jets. But sush.....don't tell the resident know-it-all here that. You know, the same ones that accuse Pats fans of being know-it-alls. That tactic is called "deflection." I'm familiar with that method of arguing.......anyway, good question! I mean, Moss has mailed it in...or is easy to shut down with a phsyical db....sometimes with safety help, sometimes without....so why not spend some time covering Welker? Oh, I know! He's a nice little reciever, but not really that important. :)

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Aren't you the same guy that said Chrebet never put up season like welker?

It's moss, being in a pass happy offense, and Brady.. that's why welker went from 67-112 catches.. Are you thinking he got twice as good in 1 year or soemthing?

That wasn't me dude. Since you brought up Chrebet I will give you the cold hard facts:

Chrebet: 152 games, 580 receptions, 7,365 yards, 12.7 YPG.

Welker: 80 games, 424 receptions, 4,619 yards, 10.9 YPG.

Chrebet never had more than 84 receptions in a season.

Welker > Chrebet and it isn't even close

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That wasn't me dude. Since you brought up Chrebet I will give you the cold hard facts:

Chrebet: 152 games, 580 receptions, 7,365 yards, 12.7 YPG.

Welker: 80 games, 424 receptions, 4,619 yards, 10.9 YPG.

Chrebet never had more than 84 receptions in a season.

Welker > Chrebet and it isn't even close

Dont you think or realize Chrebet was in a different O? Pats O is pass

first mostly out of spread and many completions are handoffs

Cannot compare the 2 vis stats

I will tell ya...Welker will end up like Chrebet...he is tough dude and am

pretty sure he has been playin with concussions in the past.

he better enjoy life now.

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Dont you think or realize Chrebet was in a different O? Pats O is pass

first mostly out of spread and many completions are handoffs

Cannot compare the 2 vis stats

I will tell ya...Welker will end up like Chrebet...he is tough dude and am

pretty sure he has been playin with concussions in the past.

he better enjoy life now.

I will tell ya that your opinions mean nothing. Just sayin'.

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That wasn't me dude. Since you brought up Chrebet I will give you the cold hard facts:

Chrebet: 152 games, 580 receptions, 7,365 yards, 12.7 YPG.

Welker: 80 games, 424 receptions, 4,619 yards, 10.9 YPG.

Chrebet never had more than 84 receptions in a season.

Welker > Chrebet and it isn't even close

Notice Chrebet has 2 yards higher YPC. Funny you didnt include TD's either...something that will always prevent Welker as being a #1 guy. He's not a red zone guy.

And still no one has refuted JIF's point. I guess all Pats fans know more about football than defensive coordinators around the league.

The Pats are 8-5. They're a decent team. I guarantee you if Moss drew the opposing teams linebackers and nickel backs, they'd have a better record.

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I will tell ya that your opinions mean nothing. Just sayin'.

Ummmmmmm

I called him a nice player.... a good player...WTF more do you want from me

Did u do your homework?

I asked you to count all his passed behind LOS? Did you?

Different O's bring different stats, I would hope you realize that.

When he starts being covered by the elite, i reserve the right to change

my opinion of him. Not that it matters to you anyway

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Ummmmmmm

I called him a nice player.... a good player...WTF more do you want from me

Did u do your homework?

I asked you to count all his passed behind LOS? Did you?

Different O's bring different stats, I would hope you realize that.

When he starts being covered by the elite, i reserve the right to change

my opinion of him. Not that it matters to you anyway

The guy catches pretty much every pass that comes his way. Why other teams don't put their best player on him is beyond me.

The Carolina D-Backs were very happy that they shut down Randy on Sunday. Too bad Welker ripped them to shreds.

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112 catches, 1,143 yards, 10.9 YPC, 12 TD's is a better season than Welker has ever had. Keep in mind, this guy was never considered elite and played with a guy that was on the other side.

Hint, hes rotting in Seattle right now.

Too bad for Housh. What is your point?

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Please tell me you aren't talking about the ESPN crew.

Lets look at Welker since 2006;

2006 Dolphins: 67 catches (Cleo Lemo and other crap QBs)

2007 Pats: 112 catches

2008 Pats: 111 catches (Matt Cassel anyone?)

2009 Pats: 105 catches and counting

You would cum in your pants if Welker was a Jet.

This proves my point. Without Moss, Welker is an average WR.

Thank you.

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That wasn't me dude. Since you brought up Chrebet I will give you the cold hard facts:

Chrebet: 152 games, 580 receptions, 7,365 yards, 12.7 YPG.

Welker: 80 games, 424 receptions, 4,619 yards, 10.9 YPG.

Chrebet never had more than 84 receptions in a season.

Welker > Chrebet and it isn't even close

Do you really not see the huge inconsistency in your position?

You excuse away Welker's very mediocre 67 catches in 2006 away as being due to playing with "Cleo Lemo and other crap QBs" yet you give no credit to his massive turnaround in 2007 on playing with two HOF'ers in a pass happy offense.

You can't have it both ways, if Welker was hurt by plying with Cleo Lemon and his numbers deflated, then surely his numbers have benefited by being an afterthought in defensive game plans designed to stop Moss.

The same inconsistancy shows up in the Chrebet comparison, Chrebet never played on a pass happy offense. He never played with a talent like Moss or a QB like Brady. Much like Welker's numbers in 2006 were negatively impacted by being in a **** offense, the same can be said for the vast Majority of Chrebets career (and even in the years that the jets had a decent offense, we still ran a lot more then the pats do)

So which is it? Does the situation a player finds himself in hurt or help his numbers or not? Either put context around the numbers or don't, but don't add context only when it benefits the point you are trying to make, it's disingenuous

Please tell me you aren't talking about the ESPN crew.

Lets look at Welker since 2006;

2006 Dolphins: 67 catches (Cleo Lemo and other crap QBs)

2007 Pats: 112 catches

2008 Pats: 111 catches (Matt Cassel anyone?)

2009 Pats: 105 catches and counting

You would cum in your pants if Welker was a Jet.

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