DMaynard Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 Put down your weapons and hear me out. Does anyone realize the Pats only averaged 3.6 yards per rushing attempt? And as far as Brady having all the time in the world to throw, did anyone notice the Pats were using max protection with 7 or 8 guys and only sending out 2 or 3? The Jets did what they had to do. Blitz and play man to man. Unfortunately, they had only one competetant CB - Revis. Barrett was completely exposed. If we had Dyson, the game could have been competitive. Bellichick had a brilliant game plan, and Mangini was up to the task. He just did not have enough horses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 Put down your weapons and hear me out. Does anyone realize the Pats only averaged 3.6 yards per rushing attempt? And as far as Brady having all the time in the world to throw, did anyone notice the Pats were using max protection with 7 or 8 guys and only sending out 2 or 3? The Jets did what they had to do. Blitz and play man to man. Unfortunately, they had only one competetant CB - Revis. Barrett was completely exposed. If we had Dyson, the game could have been competitive. Bellichick had a brilliant game plan, and Mangini was up to the task. He just did not have enough horses.[/quote] Who's fault is that? I agree the D wasn't as bad as it seemed, but it was a whole hell of a lot worse than 3.6 yards per carry. I think Maroney averaged about 12 ypc in the first quarter. It's not uncommon for ypc to drop when the game is out of hand and teams are running out the clock in the early 3rd quarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i remember shea Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 Put down your weapons and hear me out. Does anyone realize the Pats only averaged 3.6 yards per rushing attempt? And as far as Brady having all the time in the world to throw, did anyone notice the Pats were using max protection with 7 or 8 guys and only sending out 2 or 3? The Jets did what they had to do. Blitz and play man to man. Unfortunately, they had only one competetant CB - Revis. Barrett was completely exposed. If we had Dyson, the game could have been competitive. Bellichick had a brilliant game plan, and Mangini was up to the task. He just did not have enough horses. omg. i just cant take it any more. we do not have the personnel. period. we are not big enough and not talented at the LOS. on either side of the ball. that is the game of football. the LOS. if you are not big enough and talented enough at the LOS, you cannot stop the run. you cannot get to the QB on passing plays. so now you need to bring more than your front 3 or front 4. so you blitz. and the other team knows this b/c they play football for a living, too. so they adjust to the defense. and if your guys are still not big enough and not fast enough to get past their guys at the LOS, then the QB will wait for his receivers to get open, which will happen given enough time. they are an excellent football team. we are an average football team. we are not big enough or fast enough or talented enough on either side of the LOS to get to the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetCane Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 . we do not have the personnel. period. we are not big enough and not talented at the LOS. on either side of the ball. that is the game of football. the LOS. What did the FO do to get better guys in here on the LOS? Were they hamstrung by the salary cap? i think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted September 10, 2007 Author Share Posted September 10, 2007 Bradway's and Edwards, unless you expected Tangini to close the gap with the Pats after one year from inheriting a 4-12 team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistalava Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 Bingo! This was painfully obvious. We got pushed around at the point of attack on both sides of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted September 10, 2007 Author Share Posted September 10, 2007 omg. i just cant take it any more. we do not have the personnel. period. we are not big enough and not talented at the LOS. on either side of the ball. that is the game of football. the LOS. if you are not big enough and talented enough at the LOS, you cannot stop the run. you cannot get to the QB on passing plays. so now you need to bring more than your front 3 or front 4. so you blitz. and the other team knows this b/c they play football for a living, too. so they adjust to the defense. and if your guys are still not big enough and not fast enough to get past their guys at the LOS, then the QB will wait for his receivers to get open, which will happen given enough time. they are an excellent football team. we are an average football team. we are not big enough or fast enough or talented enough on either side of the LOS to get to the next level. 3.6 yards per rushing attempt. They were in max pass protection. Can you comprehend this? I did not say we don't need more talent. I am just saying, despite our limitations, as ugly as it looked yesterday, we could have been competitive yesterday with just Dyson playing instead of Barrett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i remember shea Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 3.6 yards per rushing attempt. They were in max pass protection. Can you comprehend this? I did not say we don't need more talent. I am just saying, despite our limitations, as ugly as it looked yesterday, we could have been competitive yesterday with just Dyson playing instead of Barrett. wow. just wow. the patriots moved the ball up and down the field at will against the jets. at will. on the ground. in the air. in order to dominate another team like that, you need to be dominating the LOS. that is what happened yesterday. dyson for barret making us competitive yesterday? you are missing the forest for the trees, my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 They have had two off-seasons and $10M of unused money. What starters have they added that Bradway and Edwards didn't leave them? Revis? Dyson? Kimo and then Coleman for the same spot. Brilliant job. They cut half the team and have added very little worthwhile talent on the defensive side of the ball. Besides Dyson, Revis, and potentially Smith and Harris what worthwhile players have they brought in on D? This leave no stone unturned crap like bringing in Wadsworth, wrestlers and basketball players is nice, but four players in two seasons? When you are switching systems? That's not even enough solid players for normal off-season turnover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
16G-MONEY Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 wow. just wow. the patriots moved the ball up and down the field at will against the jets. at will. on the ground. in the air. in order to dominate another team like that, you need to be dominating the LOS. that is what happened yesterday. dyson for barret making us competitive yesterday? you are missing the forest for the trees, my friend. AMEN! Dyson wouldn't have changed anything at all. Brady could have worn his uniform out to dinner last night it was so clean. We were all sweating more in our seats then the pats were on the field. Please. It was AWFUL and the worst thin g about it is that it's not like our DL is going to grow in the next week. We still have to deal with an undersized line for the rest of the season. I just didn't know how blatantly obvious the problem is until yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted September 10, 2007 Author Share Posted September 10, 2007 wow. just wow. the patriots moved the ball up and down the field at will against the jets. at will. on the ground. in the air. in order to dominate another team like that, you need to be dominating the LOS. that is what happened yesterday. dyson for barret making us competitive yesterday? you are missing the forest for the trees, my friend. 3.6 yards is not dominating. This same (basically) Jet defense pressured and beat Brady in Foxboro last year. Did the unit suddenly get old or give up? Isn't the Pats oline the same? Bellichick adjusted with maximum protection and it exposed Barrett's inability to play man to man. Again, I am just pointing out the subtle nuances of the game that we all miss with emotional generalizations. We are not as good as the patriots, but we are not as bad as we looked yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i remember shea Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 AMEN! Dyson wouldn't have changed anything at all. Brady could have worn his uniform out to dinner last night it was so clean. We were all sweating more in our seats then the pats were on the field. Please. It was AWFUL and the worst thin g about it is that it's not like our DL is going to grow in the next week. We still have to deal with an undersized line for the rest of the season. I just didn't know how blatantly obvious the problem is until yesterday. the clues were there in preseason, but as a delusional jet fan i kept wanting to wish them away. look, i am a die hard jet fan...for a long, long time...but the facts are as such...both sides of the LOS were humiliated by a dominant football team. we are an average football team right now, and if we cannot be competitive at the LOS we will not be competitive in the WIN/LOSS column. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted September 10, 2007 Author Share Posted September 10, 2007 Who exactly are these defensive players that they should have brought in? Who has been available? Shawn Merriman? Ed Reed? No, you pick up Dysons and Colemans until you can draft a Revis and a Harris and then others. It takes a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i remember shea Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 3.6 yards is not dominating. This same (basically) Jet defense pressured and beat Brady in Foxboro last year. Did the unit suddenly get old or give up? Isn't the Pats oline the same? Bellichick adjusted with maximum protection and it exposed Barrett's inability to play man to man. Again, I am just pointing out the subtle nuances of the game that we all miss with emotional generalizations. We are not as good as the patriots, but we are not as bad as we looked yesterday. maroney ran for 72 yds on 20 carries. thats 3.6 ypc. but morris ran for another 54 on 11 carries. thats 5 ypc. the statistics can sometimes be a little misleading. if you watched the game yeaterday, it is hard not to omit that the LOS was controlled and dominated by the pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 Not to sound like Mad Mike, but you can start with Thomas. He didn't look bad out there for the Pats. You're missing my point, Dyson and Coleman were the good pick ups. Why weren't there more? You are going to tell me that there wasn't a single FA LB better than Kassell? They brought in Bowens, but other than that they did nothing but throw a load of **** at DE and hope some stuck. No CB to compete with Barrett, Coleman and Poteat? Not a single new body at DT? They are $10M under the cap, we're not getting that money back, that's lost opportunity. At two players per year, they should have a good D by 2011. Funny thing is that I basically agree with your point. I don't think they are that bad. I didn't really see it as max protect though, it seemed like once the Jets committed to stopping the run-which despite your 3.6ypc stat was gouging them-the Pats passing game absolutely destroyed them. Can't say I watched every play that close though since I was at a Boston guy's BBQ and they kept checking the baseball scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 The D is worse than it seems I still have not watched the game... i mean fiasco! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbon Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 Put down your weapons and hear me out. Does anyone realize the Pats only averaged 3.6 yards per rushing attempt? And as far as Brady having all the time in the world to throw, did anyone notice the Pats were using max protection with 7 or 8 guys and only sending out 2 or 3? The Jets did what they had to do. Blitz and play man to man. Unfortunately, they had only one competetant CB - Revis. Barrett was completely exposed. If we had Dyson, the game could have been competitive. Bellichick had a brilliant game plan, and Mangini was up to the task. He just did not have enough horses. Here's the reason the Defense was as bad as has been reported: The Pats did whatever they wanted to or needed to Sunday and the Jets D couldnt stop them. Yes, the yds against the run were only 3.6, but when the Pats wanted to eat clock by running the ball (10 minute drive that resulted in points btw) ending the third and beginning the 4th quarter could the Jets stop them? No. To stop the run the Jets had to bring 8/ 9 guys up into the box. Result? Randy Moss has one of the biggest days of his career and Wes Welker catches at least 4 passes for 1st downs and one TD pass. The front 7 have to be able to stop the run. If they cant any good QB is going to pick the secondary apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i remember shea Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 Here's the reason the Defense was as bad as has been reported: The Pats did whatever they wanted to or needed to Sunday and the Jets D couldnt stop them. Yes, the yds against the run were only 3.6, but when the Pats wanted to eat clock by running the ball (10 minute drive that resulted in points btw) ending the third and beginning the 4th quarter could the Jets stop them? No. To stop the run the Jets had to bring 8/ 9 guys up into the box. Result? Randy Moss has one of the biggest days of his career and Wes Welker catches at least 4 passes for 1st downs and one TD pass. The front 7 have to be able to stop the run. If they cant any good QB is going to pick the secondary apart. thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbon Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 To further expand on the points I made earlier: On the Pats first drive which resulted in a TD they ran the ball 6 times for 30 yds ( 5yds per carry average) Their yds per carry did go down on the next 4 drives, but on two of those drives the Pats passed the ball effectively and scored TD. Why? Because the Jets were stacking the box to stop the run leaving the corners on islands against a damn good QB and receiving corps. On their 6th drive, the clinching drive (the long one when they were ahead 28 - 14 and trying to kill clock, the Pats ran 7 times for 43 yds or a little over 6 yds per carry and put up three points. On the final drive, when everyone knew the game was won and the pats were just toying with the Jets the Jets stacked the box again and held the Pats to 16 yds on 6 carries, but guess what the Pats still scored a TD by passing the ball. A good D comes up with stops at some point in the game, to give their offense a chance to get the game close. The Pats dictated the entire game with their offense. That equates to a bad defensive performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i remember shea Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 To further expand on the points I made earlier: On the Pats first drive which resulted in a TD they ran the ball 6 times for 30 yds ( 5yds per carry average) Their yds per carry did go down on the next 4 drives, but on two of those drives the Pats passed the ball effectively and scored TD. Why? Because the Jets were stacking the box to stop the run leaving the corners on islands against a damn good QB and receiving corps. On their 6th drive, the clinching drive (the long one when they were ahead 28 - 14 and trying to kill clock, the Pats ran 7 times for 43 yds or a little over 6 yds per carry and put up three points. On the final drive, when everyone knew the game was won and the pats were just toying with the Jets the Jets stacked the box again and held the Pats to 16 yds on 6 carries, but guess what the Pats still scored a TD by passing the ball. A good D comes up with stops at some point in the game, to give their offense a chance to get the game close. The Pats dictated the entire game with their offense. That equates to a bad defensive performance. thank you....again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vedderspeaks Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 omg. i just cant take it any more. we do not have the personnel. period. we are not big enough and not talented at the LOS. on either side of the ball. that is the game of football. the LOS. if you are not big enough and talented enough at the LOS, you cannot stop the run. you cannot get to the QB on passing plays. so now you need to bring more than your front 3 or front 4. so you blitz. and the other team knows this b/c they play football for a living, too. so they adjust to the defense. and if your guys are still not big enough and not fast enough to get past their guys at the LOS, then the QB will wait for his receivers to get open, which will happen given enough time. they are an excellent football team. we are an average football team. we are not big enough or fast enough or talented enough on either side of the LOS to get to the next level. excellent post i couldnt agree more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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