Let's play Good Pick, Bad Pick, or Bust...

[lancemehl]

Why not?

First 50 only

2001- Santana Moss-#16 - the whole Coles thing.-Decent player,but I say: Bad Pick

2002- Bryan Thomas-#22- from that Juggernaut UAB-2 picks later the Ravens get a guy named Ed Reed(UM), we had a secondary full of bums and a stacked D-Line .

He's done nothing until last year, he did ok, but if you blinked, you missed it.

I say: Bad Pick

2003- Dewayne Robertson-#4 - Tough one, who knows, in a different system, maybe, but this is season 5, he was a number 4. I have no choice than to go with: BUST

p.s.

(In his defense, it was a weak draft, and nobody's psychic(True,Palamalu was there and we had Sam Garnes), Suggs was more realistic,I mean, I look at that Ravens 4-3 and think Lewis=Vilma, Reed=Rhodes, Suggs=Ellis......sorry, back to the game!)

2004- Jonathan Vilma-#12- The saddest of all the recent picks.- I have no choice but to say:Good Pick .

Put him on a 4-3 team, basically all of them, and he's Pro-Bowl material. Yes, I pi$$ed myself when we drafted him, after watching him make heisman winner,Eric Crouch and that Nebraska option BS look like pop warner s--t!(I took the 14 points,lol)sad story. Tragic story, but still Good Pick.

2005- We didn't pick until #47 and got Nuuuuuuuuuge!- at the time, I wanted to strangle someone, but he's won my heart- Mike Nugent -#47- Good Pick.

side note:

(BY the way, the fish used a #2 on Ronnie Brown, so it was a successful draft.(For those who only see him light us up twice a year, every RB does that to us, he really sux,especially for a #2, trust me.)

2006- D'BickaStraw Fergusan(anyone catch that play on his name?, I thought it was a stroke of genius,had to mention it)- #4 - "BUS_" - He's one more "injured QB, Espn highlight where he plays the part of Matador" from that "T" being placed, sorry,guys!

Mangold-#29- I think we all know this one.- Good Pick.(at least)

Clemens - #49 -just made it. - Sunday will help form an opinion. I'm looking for and will be happy with "servicable".Let's hope last Sunday wasn't indicitive.

I like his arm, I hope he's the future.

2007- Darrell Revis-#14- Well, I thought in his first ever NFL game, against our Divsion Rival, who are arguably the best team in the game right now, being asked to start because our #1 CB is injured, he was the Defensive Player of the game.

I know it's one game, but the fact he was also late to camp pushed me out on that limb. He's the real McCoy. Very impressive. Brady stayed away from him like it was Deion out there. I say Good Pick(at least)

David Harris -#47- I didn't see him play, but he recorded 2 tackles, must've been Garbage time.

I expect him to start at ILB by week 4 or 5 or I'm very, VERY disappointed because

THE ONLY steps toward 3-4 transformation taken this year were a shutdown CB so

B. Thomas has about a minute to get inside the pocket(maybe next week)

and a 3-4 run stuffer, David Harris. Barton, although very effective in the 4-3, was a non-factor last year (anyone else get de ja vu with that statement?). That's all I could say at this point. Too early to pass judgement, but I'm super disappointed if he doesn't start by week 4 or 5.

P.S.

If you want to cheat a bit, Justin Miller was #57.

Good Pick-return skills alone, I still think he can be a servicable nickel back,too.

OK, don't cause a main frame crash rushing to reply. lol

Keys to watch for:

1. Keep McGahee under 100

2. Watch the Ravens and picture our personnel in that system, like I started implying up top.

[madmike1]

Thomas isn't a bust. He's the most effective 34 player we have.

[CoachTsurfing]

Thomas isn't a bust. He's the most effective 34 player we have.

This is a hard thread, because to me Vilma right now is a bad pick. Thomas is a good pick. If you ask this question 2 years ago you will have a different answer. Thomas is a bust two years ago. Brick last year was a good pick. One game into the season this year and he is showing signs of a bad pick. Next year if he continues to perform this way I say bust. I say Moss is a good pick. He played well for us and then got traded and was doing well for the skins. So even though he isn't with us, he still is performing well. Did I over think this thread too much. lol

[#27TheDominator]

Thomas isn't a bust. He's the most effective 34 player we have.

It's good pick, bad pick or bust. "Most effective34 player we have" does not make him a good pick in my eyes, but he's still a capable NFL player so I wouldn't label him a bust. I think #56 got it right with "bad pick."

[gang_green03]

I disagree with not giving players at least 2 full seasons to pass judgement so I'll separate the 2006 and 2007 drafts from the rest.

Santana Moss - Dynamic player that's a threat to take it the distance whenever he touches it. Only problem is he's so inconsistant that it negates a lot of his impact. Not a complete receiver by any means. Bad Pick

Bryan Thomas - Reborn in the 3-4 and was a bust until Mangini came. Very solid against the run, but not as good against the pass as his 4.4 speed would lead you to believe. Very solid 3-4 hybrid but probably shouldn't be the #1 pass rushing threat on a team. The fact that he wasn't a need at all and we passed on Ed Reed for him makes this a Terrible Pick (added the terrible cause we passed on a potential HOF for him when it wasn't even necessary).

*Strictly looking at what he's done for us I'll say Bad Pick

Dewayne Robertson - Average player in any defense and needs a space eater next to him to even get close to warrenting his draft spot. The price we paid for him was way to much and I see his replacement being drafted this offseason. Bust

Jonathan Vilma - Athletically gifted player but a little undersized. Great speed and smarts and a team leader. Pro bowl player in the 4-3 is hampered by the 3-4 scheme which places more emphasis on plugging holes and taking on bigger blockers. I think he can be a good 3-4 ILB, but not the top 5 MLB he is in the 4-3. Good Pick

Mike Nugent - Ultra clutch in college and a team leader of one of the top football programs in America. Very rare for a kicker. Struggled early as a rookie but turned in on and is now, at least, a top 10 kicker IMO. Very good inside 50 yards and can hit 50+ yarders with reasonable accuracy. Needed to improve his kickoff distance from last year and so far has done a better job with that. Good Pick

Players with less than 2 years experience so these are very tentative assessments:

D'Brickashaw Fergueson - Extremely athletic LT that is slightly undersized. Has been inconsistant so far, showing flashes of greatness one play and getting beat on the next. Had a solid, if unspectacular, rookie season and has been a starter since day 1. Needs to improve consistancy and keep his weight up to reach his great potential. I'm confidant that he'll be a very good LT and after 3 years we'll be able to say we have one of the top LTs. Still unsure if he'll be as great as his potential will lead you to think though. Good pick

Nick Mangold - Very smart and athletic center. Was a borderline pro-bowler in his rookie season and that is a very rare thing. Will be a top 3 center for many years to come. Won't have to worry about this position for another 8 years or so. Good Pick

Kellen Clemens - Rookie season looked like a rookie in the preseason. 2nd preseason he looked like he could be a good one. Has all the tools to be a very good QB. Seems to be smart with good work ethic and can make all the necessary throws. Still can't get any accurate gauge of him since he hasn't even played a full NFL game. Incomplete

Darrelle Revis - Has #1 potential and was very impressive in his 1st career start vs. a dominant team. Matched up against Stallworth a lot and held him in check. Showed great tackling ability and physicality. Only time he was beat was on a jump ball with Moss even though he had good coverage on the play. Any CB pretty much loses that battle against Moss so all in all very impressive. All indications so far are that he's a stud. Good Pick

David Harris - Didn't seem to get a whole lot of meaningful playing time in the opener but in the preseason looked to be a good fit at 3-4 ILB. Very tough and physical and has no problem taking on blockers. Should excel against the run once he gets consistant playing time. Looks like he'll be a good starter for us. Good Pick

[bitonti]

if we made this thread last year posters would call Nugent a bust

[CoachTsurfing]

if we made this thread last year posters would call Nugent a bust

exactly. Players have to be put in the right system to do well, while others can shine in any.

[lancemehl]

Thomas isn't a bust. He's the most effective 34 player we have.

read it again. There were three choices:

Good Pick

Bad Pick

Bust

It doesn't say Bust next to Bryan Thomas' name. It also explains why I said "Bad Pick"

Why don't you play the game and give your own opinions.

[lancemehl]

This is a hard thread, because to me Vilma right now is a bad pick. Thomas is a good pick. If you ask this question 2 years ago you will have a different answer. Thomas is a bust two years ago. Brick last year was a good pick. One game into the season this year and he is showing signs of a bad pick. Next year if he continues to perform this way I say bust. I say Moss is a good pick. He played well for us and then got traded and was doing well for the skins. So even though he isn't with us, he still is performing well. Did I over think this thread too much. lol

Not at all, man, at least you read it.

My point was just to have fun and my time is the present.

I can't argue with Moss being a good pick, especially when we got him, but we lost Coles over him in a round about way. That's why I said Bad.

That's the one that I could flip-flop on. lol

[lancemehl]

I disagree with not giving players at least 2 full seasons to pass judgement so I'll separate the 2006 and 2007 drafts from the rest.

Santana Moss - Dynamic player that's a threat to take it the distance whenever he touches it. Only problem is he's so inconsistant that it negates a lot of his impact. Not a complete receiver by any means. Bad Pick

Bryan Thomas - Reborn in the 3-4 and was a bust until Mangini came. Very solid against the run, but not as good against the pass as his 4.4 speed would lead you to believe. Very solid 3-4 hybrid but probably shouldn't be the #1 pass rushing threat on a team. The fact that he wasn't a need at all and we passed on Ed Reed for him makes this a Terrible Pick (added the terrible cause we passed on a potential HOF for him when it wasn't even necessary).

*Strictly looking at what he's done for us I'll say Bad Pick

Dewayne Robertson - Average player in any defense and needs a space eater next to him to even get close to warrenting his draft spot. The price we paid for him was way to much and I see his replacement being drafted this offseason. Bust

Jonathan Vilma - Athletically gifted player but a little undersized. Great speed and smarts and a team leader. Pro bowl player in the 4-3 is hampered by the 3-4 scheme which places more emphasis on plugging holes and taking on bigger blockers. I think he can be a good 3-4 ILB, but not the top 5 MLB he is in the 4-3. Good Pick

Mike Nugent - Ultra clutch in college and a team leader of one of the top football programs in America. Very rare for a kicker. Struggled early as a rookie but turned in on and is now, at least, a top 10 kicker IMO. Very good inside 50 yards and can hit 50+ yarders with reasonable accuracy. Needed to improve his kickoff distance from last year and so far has done a better job with that. Good Pick

Players with less than 2 years experience so these are very tentative assessments:

D'Brickashaw Fergueson - Extremely athletic LT that is slightly undersized. Has been inconsistant so far, showing flashes of greatness one play and getting beat on the next. Had a solid, if unspectacular, rookie season and has been a starter since day 1. Needs to improve consistancy and keep his weight up to reach his great potential. I'm confidant that he'll be a very good LT and after 3 years we'll be able to say we have one of the top LTs. Still unsure if he'll be as great as his potential will lead you to think though. Good pick

Nick Mangold - Very smart and athletic center. Was a borderline pro-bowler in his rookie season and that is a very rare thing. Will be a top 3 center for many years to come. Won't have to worry about this position for another 8 years or so. Good Pick

Kellen Clements - Rookie season looked like a rookie in the preseason. 2nd preseason he looked like he could be a good one. Has all the tools to be a very good QB. Seems to be smart with good work ethic and can make all the necessary throws. Still can't get any accurate gauge of him since he hasn't even played a full NFL game. Incomplete

Darrelle Revis - Has #1 potential and was very impressive in his 1st career start vs. a dominant team. Matched up against Stallworth a lot and held him in check. Showed great tackling ability and physicality. Only time he was beat was on a jump ball with Moss even though he had good coverage on the play. Any CB pretty much loses that battle against Moss so all in all very impressive. All indications so far are that he's a stud. Good Pick

David Harris - Didn't seem to get a whole lot of meaningful playing time in the opener but in the preseason looked to be a good fit at 3-4 ILB. Very tough and physical and has no problem taking on blockers. Should excel against the run once he gets consistant playing time. Looks like he'll be a good starter for us. Good Pick

Careful how you spell Kellen's last name, edit before Irish Jet comes around.lol

Basically we agree on almost everything. I even agree with this statement: "give players at least 2 full seasons to pass judgement"

My exceptions were Mangold's awesome rookie year, D'BickaStraw not blocking, and Darrell Revis with a sign up that said: "THIS SIDE CLOSED" against Brady,Moss and Co., too bad below that it said "Go around to 36 or 22, they're open all night!"

[gang_green03]

Careful how you spell Kellen's last name, edit before Irish Jet comes around.lol

Basically we agree on almost everything. I even agree with this statement: "give players at least 2 full seasons to pass judgement"

My exceptions were Mangold's awesome rookie year, D'BickaStraw not blocking, and Darrell Revis with a sign up that said: "THIS SIDE CLOSED" against Brady,Moss and Co., too bad below that it said "Go around to 36 or 22, they're open all night!"

Lol thanks didn't even notice that.

My general rule is give em 3 years but it at least has to be 2 years before you can pass any reasonable judgement on young players. Players that could've been proclaimed busts after 1 or 2 years have gone on to become great, that's why I hate when people jump to conclusions on players, good or bad, before getting a reasonable sample size. Perfect example by bitonti, some people wanted Nugent cut early last year.

[Barton]

Chad Pennington = Bad pick. Cause of the Jets treading water the last 4 years. He's the root of all this franchise's problems of getting to the next level, and like a true Jet, he showed glimpses of greatness but never sustained it. Injuries killed his promising career.

Shaun Ellis = Good pick, 2 1/2 very good years, the rest? not so much.

Becht = Great pick. He was a great run/pass blocker.....oh wait, he was a TE right? Sh!t, he was wasnt he?!? I never actually saw him catch a ball, so I'll change it from great pick to "incomplete".

John Abraham = Awesome pass rusher when healthy, a legit game changer. Much like Chad, only on a lesser level, he was too injury prone and didnt sustain his greatness. = Good pick.