NIGHT STALKER Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Rich Cimini of the New York Daily News reports that the Patriots' efforts to videotape defensive signals was brought to light by former New England defensive coordinator Eric Mangini, who shared the information in 2006 with members of the Jets' organization. "When Eric came, he said that's what they used to do," a source told Cimini. "Bill [belichick] is going to be [ticked] at Eric. He kissed and told." It would be easy to proclaim that Mangini did the right thing, ignoring the good-old-boys' network and bringing to light Belichick's dirty little secret. But it would naive to do so, too. Mangini didn't blow the whistle when he first learned of the situation, while Mangini was working for the Patriots. Instead, he took advantage of the competitive advantage, and parlayed it into a head-coaching job of his own. And then Mangini blew the whistle in a manner that will eventually create for him a competitive advantage, since it will result in the imposition of some sort of a sanction on the Patriots. But should Mangini be allowed to have it both ways? And did he bother to consider whether bringing this situation to light might indirectly call into question his own credentials to be a head coach? Meanwhile, there's talk in league circles that Mangini will find it very hard to win the trust of anyone in the NFL moving forward. Even though Belichick has no cause to gripe about getting caught under circumstances where he knew that the opposing head coach knew what Belichick was doing, the truth is that anyone who chooses to confide in Mangini now or in the future will do so at his own peril. Keep that in mind, Mike Tannenbaum, if/when you ever consider doing something like, say, contacting the agent for a player who is under contract with another team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Can't believe Cimini would write such an article. Anything to sell a paper I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Cimini didn't, PFT did. They are like the National Enquirer of the sports media, and nobody pays any attention to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Cimini didn't, PFT did. They are like the National Enquirer of the sports media, and nobody pays any attention to them. Thanks for the clarification serphnx. That does make me feel better. I was thinking WTF's wrong with Cimini. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 So basically PFT is saying this: Any one who cheats and gets caught is the victim. Blame the guy who exposes them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 So basically PFT is saying this: Any one who cheats and gets caught is the victim. Blame the guy who exposes them. Yeah, basically I think you have the gist of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 So basically PFT is saying this: Any one who cheats and gets caught is the victim. Blame the guy who exposes them. Yeah it's rather absurd. You'd think Mangini would have tried to catch BB the very first game, rather than wait until the FIFTH game. Could it be he was trying to gather evidence? The same reason most people couldn't nail the Pats before this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Yeah it's rather absurd. You'd think Mangini would have tried to catch BB the very first game, rather than wait until the FIFTH game. Could it be he was trying to gather evidence? The same reason most people couldn't nail the Pats before this? Stop being logical. Anyone who cheats to get a competitive advantage and gets caught is a victim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnails Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 So basically PFT is saying this: Any one who cheats and gets caught is the victim. Blame the guy who exposes them. =================================================== Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 When the hell did we play the Pats five times? Was there a preseason game I missed or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 When the hell did we play the Pats five times? Was there a preseason game I missed or something? I was wondering the same thing. I guess it goes to PFT's credibility. Or rather lack of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdhc Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 I read today that the Jets confronted the Pats video guy and saw that the tape was of Jet coaches, but the NFL security guy confiscated the tape, saying it was NFL property. The Jets refused to take a copy and left it to the league. You can't blame Mangini for the league stepping in. He had no way of knowing it would become a public firestorm. It was a Jet confidential reporter who saw the commotion and made it public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Yes, Mangini should have forfeited his job and career to expose Belichick when he was an assistant. Right ... Any one of us would have done that. Maybe, just maybe, since Mangini never mentioned it previously, he assumed that since BB knew that Mangini knew what they did, BB would stop. But not that arrogant Belichick. So Mangini caught him and stuck it up BB's a$$. Mangini is a man. BB is a snake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Yeah it's rather absurd. You'd think Mangini would have tried to catch BB the very first game, rather than wait until the FIFTH game. Could it be he was trying to gather evidence? The same reason most people couldn't nail the Pats before this? Maybe, this is the first game he tried it. Can't believe Cimini would write such an article. Anything to sell a paper I guess. Why? Truth hurts? Rich Cimini of the New York Daily News reports that the Patriots' efforts to videotape defensive signals was brought to light by former New England defensive coordinator Eric Mangini, who shared the information in 2006 with members of the Jets' organization. "When Eric came, he said that's what they used to do," a source told Cimini. "Bill [belichick] is going to be [ticked] at Eric. He kissed and told." It would be easy to proclaim that Mangini did the right thing, ignoring the good-old-boys' network and bringing to light Belichick's dirty little secret. But it would naive to do so, too. Mangini didn't blow the whistle when he first learned of the situation, while Mangini was working for the Patriots. Instead, he took advantage of the competitive advantage, and parlayed it into a head-coaching job of his own. And then Mangini blew the whistle in a manner that will eventually create for him a competitive advantage, since it will result in the imposition of some sort of a sanction on the Patriots. But should Mangini be allowed to have it both ways? And did he bother to consider whether bringing this situation to light might indirectly call into question his own credentials to be a head coach? Meanwhile, there's talk in league circles that Mangini will find it very hard to win the trust of anyone in the NFL moving forward. Even though Belichick has no cause to gripe about getting caught under circumstances where he knew that the opposing head coach knew what Belichick was doing, the truth is that anyone who chooses to confide in Mangini now or in the future will do so at his own peril. Keep that in mind, Mike Tannenbaum, if/when you ever consider doing something like, say, contacting the agent for a player who is under contract with another team. So Mangini profited from the cheating until it became detrimental to his career and exposed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeniorFlaJet Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Yes, Mangini should have forfeited his job and career to expose Belichick when he was an assistant. Right ... Any one of us would have done that. Maybe, just maybe, since Mangini never mentioned it previously, he assumed that since BB knew that Mangini knew what they did, BB would stop. But not that arrogant Belichick. So Mangini caught him and stuck it up BB's a$$. Mangini is a man. BB is a snake. Good points D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Yes, Mangini should have forfeited his job and career to expose Belichick when he was an assistant. Right ... Any one of us would have done that. Oktaren would have! Maybe, this is the first game he tried it. Um, KH, what about the Packers game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeniorFlaJet Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Even if every Jet fan on here agrees with all the spinning that the pat fans are spewing on here, Even if every Jet fan on here agrees that it goes on with every team, the reality is that The whole country from here on in will forever believe the Pats cheated and that everything they did including the SB were tainted. Everything that Brady and Belli accomplished and put in their records will also include a note that they might be tainted due to this scandal. And the best one is: That when people ask the Pat fans on here what team they root for and they say the Pats, the response will be "Oh that's the team that cheated". Till they day they die. So I realized why should I get involved coming down on the Pat fans on here when life will take care of that for me....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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